How is dany and her army meant to get off dragonstone without a fleet?
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I would imagine that they wouldn't be stupid enough to send away ALL the ships. Either that or the dragon express
Now that won't be fun. Imagine what she does with oberyn's wife.
One thing that has confused me is why nobody from Castle Black has told Jon they found Bran! Surely that's something you would want him to know. Unless all the ravens froze to death.
Yeah there is a lot of that. I think the show has always been this way, even back then when the character writing was good. Not sure whether it's my poor grasp of scale, the show's failure to convey scale, or the simple cultivation of a deliberate sense of nebulousness to allow for drop of the hat military stacking - and thus frequent Risk-style power fluctuations. It's never felt very clear to me just how big or strong armies are relative to one another. They feel only ever as strong/weak as the plot demands. So dragon's, or Stannis, or Sansa/little finger etc. can ride in to save the day at will.
I don't think it was really a problem when the show was more character focused. Did we even get a battle in the first couple of seasons? I guess it's a bit like the way in which the fictional Trojan War is a conduit for character and stories rather than being militarily significant in and of itself. You start running into problems IMO when you start making these indefinable events the point of interest. Suddenly nothing has any weight or value.
For most of the show I thought the White Walkers were a metaphysical idea representing the vanity of man and his will to power. I like the idea of winter as a manifestation of an all consuming entropic death. But I guess they are a real thing now and we're just going to have to brawl it out with dragonglass. Antonius Block checkmating Death.
Unfortunately the plot holes are building up.
Let's be honest here they are making a mess of it this season but they'll save it with a few massive budget episodes
Davos is from Kings Landing (he mentioned it to Gendry).
He was at dragonstone for a long time with stannis though
Yah, I assume the reason they haven't mentioned Brans return is that the Writers don't want Jon to be at Winterfell when he arrives. The audience then have to wait longer for Jons parentage reveal. It's not a plot hole, more of an annoying Writers habit.
There's no maester at Castle Black anymore though? Aemon is dead and Sam is in Oldtown, maybe, just maybe, a bunch of former thieves, rapists and murderers are illiterate and/or don't understand how the raven messaging system works?
Anyway, really enjoyed that.
Anyway, really enjoyed that.
What we know about Dragon Glass:
1. It's a very old, ancient material, known as Obsidian in Westeros.
2. The only weapons we've seen made from Dragon Glass came from the bag Sam found North of the wall.
3. No other references to Dragon Glass have been mentioned.
4. The Wildlings had no idea what it was (Hardhome).
5. It was used ages ago when they fought the White Walkers. (I have no idea how long ago that was but I think it was a looooong time ago).
6. Stannis said "we have it at Dragon Stone".
Just because Davos stayed at DragonStone for a bit doesn't mean he should know everything about the place. Stannis was very vague when he spoke to Sam at Castle Black (see #6), so why would Davos have knowledge of a material that was seen as redundant? We also don't know what Sam means, for all we know the Dragon Glass is buried and would need to be mined out (highly likely).
The good and the bad from the episode for me -
Good
- The fight sequence at the end was great. A departure from earlier fights as in it was supposed to be messy, all over the place and tough to follow. Euron was kind of portrayed as a monster unleashed on them.
- Overall the pace of the story was good. Significant movements all over the place.
Bad
- They could not pull off the prince/princess stuff. It came across as a hack.
- Was expecting something more elaborate or magic related to neuter the dragon threat. A giant spear bow is very meh.
- There better be something more to how Sam cures Jorah. Just pulling off the grey skin and use some liquid medicine seems pretty underwhelming.
- Another narrative break to the Dany's storyline of conquering Westeros since her Dothraki army is once again stuck on an island.
Good
- The fight sequence at the end was great. A departure from earlier fights as in it was supposed to be messy, all over the place and tough to follow. Euron was kind of portrayed as a monster unleashed on them.
- Overall the pace of the story was good. Significant movements all over the place.
Bad
- They could not pull off the prince/princess stuff. It came across as a hack.
- Was expecting something more elaborate or magic related to neuter the dragon threat. A giant spear bow is very meh.
- There better be something more to how Sam cures Jorah. Just pulling off the grey skin and use some liquid medicine seems pretty underwhelming.
- Another narrative break to the Dany's storyline of conquering Westeros since her Dothraki army is once again stuck on an island.
Hmmm, would the common people rather be starved to death in a lengthy siege or burned alive by dragons? Tough choice...
At this rate the dragon would starve long before the commoners
Also: HOW DOES MELISANDRE NOT MENTION JON JUST CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD. She tells every single point of his carrer since he got to the wall but doesn't meantion THAT? This season infuriates me.
You came back from death? Okay, let's never mention it again.
You came back from death? Okay, let's never mention it again.
That! And, eh, all the stuff about the White Walkers, Army of the Dead, etc. No need to tell the girl with three fire-breathing dragons any of that stuff just yet.You lot are very hard to please.
Melisandre's dialogue from that scene: "I believe you have a role to play, as does another: the King in the North, Jon Snow. [Tyrion, Dany and Varys say a few words]. As Lord Commander of the Night's Watch he allowed the wildlings south of The Wall to protect them from great danger; as King in the North he has united those wildlings with the northern houses so together they may face their common enemy. [Dany speaks]. Summon Jon Snow. Let him stand before you and tell you the things that have happened to him - the things he has seen with his own eyes. [Tyrion speaks, Dany speaks]."
I imagine she expects that Jon will inform Dany of the White Walkers, his death and resurrection, and anything else. Jon's first scene with Dany has to feel important because it's something the show has been building towards for 62 episodes now. We can't have Jon say "I was killed, and I saw the White Walkers, and they're coming for all of us" only for Dany to say "Yeah I know, Melisandre told me about two minutes ago. Keep up."
I found that incredible too.
This needs to be quoted.
Episode 3's trailer in the Spoilers below
Looks like Jon and Dany will finally meet in the next trailer. Get hyped!
Looks like Jon and Dany will finally meet in the next trailer. Get hyped!
I don't blame Theon for what he did there, it was a smart play. Either bravely (stupidly) charge towards Euron, while being surrounded, and get himself (and probably his sister) killed and accomplish literally nothing, or escape and have a chance to fight another day and maybe rescue her afterwards.
Yeah, I have no issue with Mel doing that or mentioning it, especially as it was a group of people in the room and not just Dany on her own. Mel wants Jon to explain everything herself to Dany (esp the big parts of his life and what hes been through), in his own words. Its not unrealistic for that to happen.
Also some of the things complained about:
-Davos not knowing about dragonstone having dragonglass underneath is plausible. Just because he was there for some time with Stannis, doesnt mean he would have the knowledge. Heck he was only learning to read before they pretty much moved from there.
-Also Jon not knowing about Bran being at Castleblack? Who exactly are we expecting to write a letter and use the raven to send it? Theres no Jon, no Sam, no Mormont, nobody that could possibly do it that we know of?
I do think some of the stuff being complained about is kinda OTT just for the sake of it. I do think that Euron just coming out of nowhere to destroy a fleet was questionable. Werent they just hanging outside of Dragonstone? Wouldnt Dany hear all of this shit going down and just send her dragons to end it? Had the unsullied left yet (thought they were leaving the next night)?
But overall it was a really fun episode where a lot of shit happened.
I wonder if it includes Dragonglass? Something Sam has access to but could either kill him or cure him thats why its a risk.
Also some of the things complained about:
-Davos not knowing about dragonstone having dragonglass underneath is plausible. Just because he was there for some time with Stannis, doesnt mean he would have the knowledge. Heck he was only learning to read before they pretty much moved from there.
-Also Jon not knowing about Bran being at Castleblack? Who exactly are we expecting to write a letter and use the raven to send it? Theres no Jon, no Sam, no Mormont, nobody that could possibly do it that we know of?
I do think some of the stuff being complained about is kinda OTT just for the sake of it. I do think that Euron just coming out of nowhere to destroy a fleet was questionable. Werent they just hanging outside of Dragonstone? Wouldnt Dany hear all of this shit going down and just send her dragons to end it? Had the unsullied left yet (thought they were leaving the next night)?
But overall it was a really fun episode where a lot of shit happened.
I wonder if it includes Dragonglass? Something Sam has access to but could either kill him or cure him thats why its a risk.
ive thought about it for a while and I thigh the writers deserve credit for the prince/princess reveal. Misandei is probably the finest translator in all of the 7 kingdoms and this is the first time she's heard the words of the prophecy. It's pretty understandable that it's gone uninterpreted until now
Can't believe Daenerys assumed the pronouns gender, though.
I agree but I did laugh when euron laughed at him jumping over. I dont think Yara will see it that way nor any of the allies given Theons past.
I liked them adding Tyrion saying 'it doesnt roll of the tongue'. I think they needed to add this but I also expected people would complain as soon as it was done. I think were at a stage where it doesnt need to be subtle. Personally I thought it was nicely done 
omg, people spoilers everywhere! wtf...
Must be Sansa's luck.. Just as soon as she has got the power to pass an order or rule as she wishes, Bran rocks up back home to second guess her choices using his super powers..
Must be Sansa's luck.. Just as soon as she has got the power to pass an order or rule as she wishes, Bran rocks up back home to second guess her choices using his super powers..
Hopefully Bran can see what LF has done to set this all up, including starting it all by poisoning Jon Arryn, and of course turning on Ned.
That way they can all feck him up.
That way they can all feck him up.
Anyone else notice how much Sansa was protesting until Jon said he was leaving her in charge of the north? That shut her right up.
They have certainly turned up the megalomaniac/crazy to 10 on Sansa. Actually, they have on all the women since mid-late season 6. Cersei, Arya, Yara, Ellaria, Daenerys, Olenna and Sansa are all acting of out a lust for dominance/power or pure hatred and vengeance. They are slowly turning into female versions of the lords they despised in S1-S5. The feminist blogs and mags are all out in full force praising the showrunners for this though. Interesting development!
The only ones left who are keeping an eye on the ball are Jon, Sam and Melisandre...
I found it incredibly convenient that Euron knew exactly when and where to attack the fleet, could there be a traitor in Dany's camp? If so my bet is on Olenna, she wanted revenge and that wasn't the direction Dany was going, by informing on her plans she could force Dany into a full scale attack on KL thus achieving her revenge.
The whole Euron Greyjoy plot is leaving me cold. Building a thousand ships in a short period of time is impossible. It took anywhere from 2 to five years to build 1 Galleon back in the 18th century imagine how long it would take to build 1000.
Next The Greyjoy's are basically pirates sailing the seas in search of merchant ships avoiding conflict with the Kings Fleet yet they didn't have one lookout to spot a fleet of a thousand ships sneaking up on them.
Him jumping down from the ship and bouncing around killing everybody was way too Jack Sparrow for my liking.
Lastly the Sand Snakes stabbed Euron more than once what ever happened to there poisoned weapons?
While I'n no fan of the Sand Snakes, Euron has replaced them as the most absurd Character on the show. I hope he finishes soon because he distracts from the other great characters in the show.
Next The Greyjoy's are basically pirates sailing the seas in search of merchant ships avoiding conflict with the Kings Fleet yet they didn't have one lookout to spot a fleet of a thousand ships sneaking up on them.
Him jumping down from the ship and bouncing around killing everybody was way too Jack Sparrow for my liking.
Lastly the Sand Snakes stabbed Euron more than once what ever happened to there poisoned weapons?
While I'n no fan of the Sand Snakes, Euron has replaced them as the most absurd Character on the show. I hope he finishes soon because he distracts from the other great characters in the show.
Total rip off of the Hobbit.
I knew I'd seen that 'solution' to defeating dragons before, couldn't remember where though!!
Well, they made a point of showing that so you'd assume there will be some effects. The poison isn't fast-acting anyway so Qyburn will probably clear up anything.
I was going to roll my eyes before I thought about it.
Dany verbally dominates a dickless guy.
A dickless guy goes down on a woman after saying said woman is his weakness.
A cowardly dickless guy leaves his brave warrior sister to be captured.
Coincidence?!
They stood there for ages waiting for the gangplank to fall. How long do you think it takes to smear poison on a blade?1. Yeah agreed. That made me cringe a bit.
2. Nothing wrong with the crossbow. Although it did seem a bit daft that nobody else came up with that idea given Dragons were about for decades.
3. Dragonglass is a material that is largely forgotten about. It's only effective against White Walkers and the last time they were around in Westeros was hundreds/thousands of years ago. It's a very rare material (when Sam found the bag in the North he mentioned it's rare stuff). I would therefore assume that Davos had no idea there was Dragonglass at Dragonstone, why would he?
4. Yeah, this bothered me although his ship had no lights and did come out of fog. I can only assume they were waiting for boats to ambush and got lucky that it was Theons lot. Could easily have been Greyworms fleet.
5. They were ambushed, they only use poison when they have time to put it on. It's not like a fantasy weapon with +10 poison damage.
This is a TV show in which there are dragons, people get brought back from the dead, people can see into the past, there are giants, magic spells, zombies and a fat man can travel hundreds of miles on foot without losing weight. Yet you find the speed they build boats makes it hard to take seriously!
Dunno if it is because I know GRR isn't writing it, but I'm thoroughly underwhelmed by the quality of the first two episodes.