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I fully believe now

The theory that Meera and Jon are related, possible twins? is true.

We've only seen two people kill a white walker, Jon and Meera. Originally it looked like Obsidian was the reason why Jon was able to kill the white walker, but Meera threw a random spear that shattered one, and this was just after one of the tree children used a similar spear with no effect.

So maybe it's the person who wields the weapon rather than what the weapon is? Dragonborn and all that.

Also she's the daughter of Howland Reed, the guy who survived the tower of joy with Ned Stark. So maybe Ned took Jon and Howland took Meera?
 
Hal9000 said:
I fully believe now

The theory that Meera and Jon are related, possible twins? is true.

We've only seen two people kill a white walker, Jon and Meera. Originally it looked like Obsidian was the reason why Jon was able to kill the white walker, but Meera threw a random spear that shattered one, and this was just after one of the tree children used a similar spear with no effect.

So maybe it's the person who wields the weapon rather than what the weapon is? Dragonborn and all that.

Also she's the daughter of Howland Reed, the guy who survived the tower of joy with Ned Stark. So maybe Ned took Jon and Howland took Meera?
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Hal9000 said:
I fully believe now

The theory that Meera and Jon are related, possible twins? is true.

We've only seen two people kill a white walker, Jon and Meera. Originally it looked like Obsidian was the reason why Jon was able to kill the white walker, but Meera threw a random spear that shattered one, and this was just after one of the tree children used a similar spear with no effect.

So maybe it's the person who wields the weapon rather than what the weapon is? Dragonborn and all that.

Also she's the daughter of Howland Reed, the guy who survived the tower of joy with Ned Stark. So maybe Ned took Jon and Howland took Meera?
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I doubt its because of the person wielding the weapon because in Hardhome the random sword Jon picks up gets shattered by white walker before he picks up the valyrian sword. As for Meera, I thought those were dragonglass spear? The other kids were just shit at throwing and hitting the armor while Meera aimed straight for the head?
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Difference being that it was supposed to be bad.

Better than last week's episode? Really?? I can't even remember last week's episode.
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I get that, but why show something that was supposed to be be bad for something like 5 minutes? ... Then you're just purposefully using 5 minutes of your programming to show bad television! Doesn't really make sense.

I enjoyed last weeks episode tremendously. Every story line had meaningful progression, it set out exactly where the rest of the season was going, and it had a Stark reunion... whats not to like?!
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I get that, but why show something that was supposed to be be bad for something like 5 minutes? ... Then you're just purposefully using 5 minutes of your programming to show bad television! Doesn't really make sense.

I enjoyed last weeks episode tremendously. Every story line had meaningful progression, it set out exactly where the rest of the season was going, and it had a Stark reunion... whats not to like?!
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Well it does make sense because it was there to show that the truth about what happened between the Starks and Lannisters is very much distorted and Arya is having a hard time letting it go. Also it had cameos from Kevin Eldon and Richard E Grant which were great.

Apart from the re-union (which I actually thought was quite underwhelming) the previous episode had nothing memorable about it. Ramsey being Ramsey again and a repeat of the season 1 finale on a larger scale. I don't see any progression there, just a rehash of old stuff.
 
R.N7 said:
Agreed.

The end was exciting but the rest was ponderous, clouding the fact that the rest of the episode wasn't that great, classic Game of Thrones.

The Sir Friendzone stuff is just an endless repeating cycle of meh, just like Danery's whole storyline and Arya's storyline is just the same no progress stuff every week.
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Yep.

Did anyone else find the ending of the Greyjoy scene really weird? Within a blink of an eye the siblings manage to run off unnoticed and steal all the boats, leaving as Euron seemingly giving no fecks and promptly ordering the building of 1000 boats as if he's asked someone to pass the salt.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Yep.

Did anyone else find the ending of the Greyjoy scene really weird? Within a blink of an eye the siblings manage have run off unnoticed and stolen all the boats, leaving as Euron seemingly giving no fecks and promptly ordering the building of 1000 boats as if he's asked someone to pass the salt.
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When they speed things up on the show (this season tbh), it can look silly on screen.
 
I didnt like this episode much.

I've waited a LONG time to see SirBestFriendZone to tell Khaleesi he loves her and also to see White Walker origin and it was just brushed over.
 
You just knew Hodor was going to die when he was unexpectedly given all those lines while under the tree.
 
Didn't Ned hear Bran call out "Father" in the flashback scene in the previous episode?

If it's true that Lyanna Stark was up there giving birth to Rhaegar Targaryian's child (and dying in the process) in the tower perhaps Ned hearing the word Father before he goes in is what influences him to invent the story about it being his bastard and adopt the child as his own.
 
This season is 10x better than the snoozefest that was season 5. Carry on as the first 5 eps and it'd be up there with the first GoT seasons. Really excited about Bran's storyline, Im fully open to the time travel stuff as long as it's done well.
 
As long as the time travel stuff doesn't get silly or confusing, I wouldn't mind it. But I don't think he can actually change the past.

I'm interested to know what Bran can do by himself & how much power he has away from the tree. I really hope his story doesn't stagnate now for the remainder of the season.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Yep.

Did anyone else find the ending of the Greyjoy scene really weird? Within a blink of an eye the siblings manage to run off unnoticed and steal all the boats, leaving as Euron seemingly giving no fecks and promptly ordering the building of 1000 boats as if he's asked someone to pass the salt.
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There was supposed to be some time between the end of the Kings moot and all that happening.
 
ArmandTamzarian said:
Didn't Ned hear Bran call out "Father" in the flashback scene in the previous episode?

If it's true that Lyanna Stark was up there giving birth to Rhaegar Targaryian's child (and dying in the process) in the tower perhaps Ned hearing the word Father before he goes in is what influences him to invent the story about it being his bastard and adopt the child as his own.
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These theories are getting silly now.
 
JustAFan said:
There was supposed to be some time between the end of the Kings moot and all that happening.
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I didn't mind the scene itself, but i hope they're not going to be too crazy about suddenly giving the guy a newly built fleet next week. I mean that's a lot of ships, and the Iron Islands don't exactly look foresty!
 
dellboyy said:
I didn't mind the scene itself, but i hope they're not going to be too crazy about suddenly giving the guy a newly built fleet next week. I mean that's a lot of ships, and the Iron Islands don't exactly look foresty!
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We have only seen Pyke so far, the other islands are supposed to be much bigger and richer. Week would still be stupid of course.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
How do you know that? :smirk:
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The overall feel of the scene, the switch to what was his coronation and Theon and Yara's escape. Definitely felt to me like it was not supposed to be happening instantly after the Kings Moot. But that could just be me assuming that Theon and Yara would need more than 30 seconds to arrange an escape. Though I don't think it was a lot of time, maybe just a few hours.
 
Maybe we'll get a ship-building montage set to cheery music and at the end Euron "I have a big cock" Greyjoy will say "Now we can kill my nephew and niece. Yarrrr!"
 
I must admit at first i thought she was only escaping herself with her closest allies on 1/2 ships... until the scene with the whole fleet sailing off.

Not the most together scene they've done, but i'm not exactly worrying about it.
 
It will be interesting to see how the timing of the ship building plays out. The show does have an issue with giving out an idea of how much time is passing, the Iron Island was not the first time. I think Sansa's new dress and the cloak she made for Jon were supposed to be some indication that some time had passed, a few days or a week or two, who knows.
 
JustAFan said:
The overall feel of the scene, the switch to what was his coronation and Theon and Yara's escape. Definitely felt to me like it was not supposed to be happening instantly after the Kings Moot. But that could just be me assuming that Theon and Yara would need more than 30 seconds to arrange an escape. Though I don't think it was a lot of time, maybe just a few hours.
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Ah ok, seemed like you were a book reader in disguise!

I found Euron's accent really wierd, anyone else?
 
Yeah, found the Euron scene weird too, but just assumed that they sped it up and the coronation of Euron happened later in the day and not immediately after his big speech or whatever.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Ah ok, seemed like you were a book reader in disguise!

I found Euron's accent really wierd, anyone else?
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Nah, I don't pay that much attention to the accents since you know this is not a real world, so what do I really have to compare the accents to. Had this consultant at a company I worked for, she was born in Canada and lived there into her teens, spent a decade in Europe, now lived in Texas, her accent was all over the place.
 
Everybody assuming Hodor dies, he isn't actually shown to be dead yet? just a bit scratched up. More than likely he probably is, but if he get's a sprint on he might get away.

The thing that annoyed me a little was the 3 eyed raven warning Bran "you've been touched, he can sense where you are now, you better leave/run before he comes". Fast forward to the next scene and they're in the same position warging. Can't really understand why they would risk that, maybe the raven thought he needed 1 last training session before it was too late.
 
Now that we've all dried our tears, I'd like to know the exact details of Hodor holding the door.

Was it Bran in him at that point? Or was it kid Hodor transported to the future just to sacrifice himself for Bran? Or was it just regular Hodor, in which case, why would Bran need to use his powers?
 
NinjaZombie said:
Now that we've all dried our tears, I'd like to know the exact details of Hodor holding the door.

Was it Bran in him at that point? Or was it kid Hodor transported to the future just to sacrifice himself for Bran? Or was it just regular Hodor, in which case, why would Bran need to use his powers?
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I think the present played out as it did on the show but the past Hodor got a vision of his future and saw his traumatic death which scarred him into only uttering those words. I could be wrong though.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I think the present played out as it did on the show but the past Hodor got a vision of his future and saw his traumatic death which scarred him into only uttering those words. I could be wrong though.
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Yeah that's my theory too, maybe with something to do with the actual warging from the past to the future messing his head up.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Fast forward to the next scene and they're in the same position warging. Can't really understand why they would risk that
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It's simple, they are drug addicts in an opium den. They know that they should be leaving but they want to have a last dose first.
 
kouroux said:
Did Hodor live his entire live knowing what would happen to him at the end ?
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That's what i think yeah. I might have remembered it wrong, i've not rewatched it, but wasn't he looking fairly disturbed on the floor just before it all happened... like rocking back and forth. Maybe he knew what was coming.
 
I thought Bran was controlling Hodors present version by Warging into his past self. Therefore Hodor youngster was was essentially living out his death at that very moment which caused him obviously major trauma.

But present older Hodor had no control over his actions and therefore dying (we assume) because Bran wouldn't let him run. Disturbing thought.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Everybody assuming Hodor dies, he isn't actually shown to be dead yet? just a bit scratched up. More than likely he probably is, but if he get's a sprint on he might get away.
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Could he come back as undead (along with the direwolf)?

Adam-Utd said:
The thing that annoyed me a little was the 3 eyed raven warning Bran "you've been touched, he can sense where you are now, you better leave/run before he comes". Fast forward to the next scene and they're in the same position warging. Can't really understand why they would risk that, maybe the raven thought he needed 1 last training session before it was too late.
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Yeah that was odd. I think he said to Bran "you must become me" or something?
Perhaps they needed to go back in time to make sure Hodor would do his thing (in the future).

Why didn't he tell Bran "dont let WW touch you" beforehand?
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Could he come back as undead (along with the direwolf)?


Yeah that was odd. I think he said to Bran "you must become me" or something?
Perhaps they needed to go back in time to make sure Hodor would do his thing (in the future).

Why didn't he tell Bran "dont let WW touch you" beforehand?
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Yeah he seemed to be transferring his full power into Bran, just before he died it made his eyes roll/white over, displaying a change had happened.

Maybe all these set's of events had to happen. I sense Bran is almost in a time loop, this has all happened before. Bran warging back at that moment basically comdemns Hodor to becoming his protector. It's all quite confusing, whether we see a different timeline happening when Bran "time travels", or is he going back to the past from the future? We've seen how he's effected Hodor, could he effect anything else?.
 
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