I don't think the play has anything to do with how she views the woman. It was from observing her behind the scenes that Arya surmised that she wasn't a bad person and led to the conversation with Jaqan about those deserving of death. The point being that to be a faceless assassin she needs to shed her moral code which is something that she clearly hasn't yet been able to do.
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I don't think the play has anything to do with how she views the woman. It was from observing her behind the scenes that Arya surmised that she wasn't a bad person and led to the conversation with Jaqan about those deserving of death. The point being that to be a faceless assassin she needs to shed her moral code which is something that she clearly hasn't yet been able to do.
Yes he has. There is a conversation between Bran and Revan, when Bran specifically asks him whats the use of this images if he can't do anything about it,I guess its during the young Ned's scene. Revan specifically says something on the lines "the past is written, the ink is dry..."
You guys mean the three eyed raven?
FFS I tagged @Revan in the book thread to ask him what this was about.
You guys mean the three eyed raven?
FFS I tagged @Revan in the book thread to ask him what this was about.
My bad. I din't even bother to check the spelling.At least there was a conveniently left whitewalker killing weapon to hand or Bran would really have been fecked. Speaking of which I could've swore I saw the same WW that Snow killed at Hardhome last season...?
And is this the beginning of a deluge of GOT cock shots? Never been so happy to be watching a crappy stream.
And is this the beginning of a deluge of GOT cock shots? Never been so happy to be watching a crappy stream.
Except for the NightsKing, don't everyone looks the same?
Do they? That's why I was asking. Would make sense from a financial point of view.
I think my main worry for this programme is they won't have the budget to do justice to the inevitable finale it's building to. If all these opposing forces meet up in the last season it would make the end of LOTR look like a couple of drunks fighting outside a pub on a Friday night.
The Never Ending story finish to last season did not fill me with much hope however.
You guys mean the three eyed raven?
FFS I tagged @Revan in the book thread to ask him what this was about.
[/QUOTE] Yes the three eyed raven.
Sooo... Does this mean the direwolf is also going to become a wight? 
So at this point then
Bran influencing the mad king and beginning his madness by accident pretty much is confirmed at this point? Also, how far back does Bran go. Is he Bran the builder? Did he build the wall to keep the white walkers out?
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I really don't think he does that at all. People are getting carried away with the time travel. I think the whole 'Hold the door, hold the door...Hodor' sequence was specific to the trauma of the situation. Plus I don't see Bran influencing the past after what he does to Willis/Hodor.
That episode, holy balls. Last ad break I was like "great we'll end on Kings Landing... yawn".
From what I took from the final passage...
From what I took from the final passage...
So Bran warged Hodor while in a flashback and because he was facing extreme trauma at that point it caused young Hodor to essentially be brain damaged. That's how I think it worked.
I just don't see any point to that though. Hodor saying Hodor is a relatively minor plot point and could easily be explained by a bang on the head as much as anything else. The idea that they've shown us that Bran is able to influence the past (or rather, that the past has already been influenced by Bran) but thats not going to be used again is a bit odd to me.
It almost has to be foreshadowing something bigger, I can't see why else they'd do it.
It almost has to be foreshadowing something bigger, I can't see why else they'd do it.
But he can't warg Humans (yet) so that doesn't seem like a likely plot point. Although he did warg young undamaged Hodor, so who knows.
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What a truly heartbreaking episode. GoT's at its very best.
Also, given that the episode has aired...
What the feck is Bran going to do now? They have to get to the wall I assume with little to no protection and she'll have a sledge to pull the entire way. feck.
What the feck is Bran going to do now? They have to get to the wall I assume with little to no protection and she'll have a sledge to pull the entire way. feck.
He's been able to warg Hodor since season 3 (?) and had months worth of 'training' in the gap with his story arc and still has more to learn. It doesn't seem like its beyond him.
I don't think it'll be a case that he turns the King mad because the Targs are a crazy lot anyway, witness Daenerys brother. Also agree with someone above that he won't want to do it because he's just seen the damage it causes.
Bran could really, REALLY do with Tyrion letting the Dragons loose right about now.
Bran could really, REALLY do with Tyrion letting the Dragons loose right about now.
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Deus Ex Machina to the rescue.
Was thinking the same... although it would imo be the worst writing if that happened. So hopefully not.
Well thats the thing isn't it? I doubt he'll want to turn him mad. But in his misguided attempts to change the past he accidentally becomes the whispers that Aerys heard and kicks off the events. We already saw at the tower in Dorne that Brann can be heard, in some way, by the people he's watching.
It also would tie in with the idea that time-travel isn't actually possible, but theres an underlying sense of predestination. Bran can't change the past, but he has to do things because they've always been done.
It also would tie in with the idea that time-travel isn't actually possible, but theres an underlying sense of predestination. Bran can't change the past, but he has to do things because they've always been done.
Great episode, I enjoyed every minute of that.
The Hodor scene is heartbreaking but it's a fecking genius explanation to his character.
The Hodor scene is heartbreaking but it's a fecking genius explanation to his character.
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If its any consolation, I have no idea if any of it is true and am probably completely wrong.
That's what I thought as well. But it's the logic I don't get. Doesn't Bran need to be holding onto a branch of that tree to have those flashbacks ?
Time travel is a strange thing where it can be hard to do and can provide a lot of holes in the story.
I might need to watch it again, but wasnt there a scene where Bran said he wasnt ready or the Raven said he wasnt ready. And then it seemed he warged causing Bran to warg. Maybe he gave him the power to do it without the tree?
Hoping to watch the whole thing again tonight.
They could go two ways which could work:
1) He saw what happened so wont do it again (but played out the Hodor story like it needed to)
2) He goes back, tries to change things but ends up keeping them the same
Or a third way which will cause problems
3) He wargs, changes stuff which then wont make sense in real life (very much doubt they will do this).
1) He saw what happened so wont do it again (but played out the Hodor story like it needed to)
2) He goes back, tries to change things but ends up keeping them the same
Or a third way which will cause problems
3) He wargs, changes stuff which then wont make sense in real life (very much doubt they will do this).
I might need to watch it again, but wasnt there a scene where Bran said he wasnt ready or the Raven said he wasnt ready. And then it seemed he warged causing Bran to warg. Maybe he gave him the power to do it without the tree?
Hoping to watch the whole thing again tonight.
I'n not entirely sure. It might be needed to start the flashback? Or perhaps he needed to be connected to the Raven to start it and now he's turned into him (I assume some kind of transitioning power?) he won't need to touch the tree/raven anymore?
The tree after all was the raven.
Tormund's got me cracking up lately with his Brienne of Tarth infatuation.
They did have that conversation, but Raven sort of dies when the Night's King Slashes him though and Bran's flashback is completely unaffected. How can Bran have a power that even Raven doesn't seem to have ? (he did live in that tree for thousands of years after all iirc).
Also did anyone think the Greyjoy scene was going to end with him actually dead and everyone standing around awkwardly like 'oh, shit, what do we do now? Guess we gotta go and find that girl to be queen after all'. After the Monty Python's Life of Dothraki sketch in the first episode was sure we were going to get some more comedy.
What we don't know is whether the Warg element of his ability is separate entity. He was having visions way back in S1/S2 which is not a Warg ability. So that tells me that Bran is multi talented and we never saw the Raven Warg anything/anyone. He was simply able to control time which Bran can also do. That tells me that the reason why Bran is so special is that he's not only a Warg (which is rare but we've seen others with that ability) but can also control Time. He's multi talented.
Tormund's got me cracking up lately with his Brienne of Tarth infatuation.
I hope something happens with that.Whats more interesting imo is whats going to happen with Theon/Sister (can't remember her name) and that storyline. They have a fleet but what exactly will they do with them? They can't exactly help Jon with boats can they?
Hmm, @Sylar said something similar. But Raven never actually leaves the tree does he? He's been inhabiting it for thousands of years or something right ? I'm very confused about that moment.
Also wasn't properly mentioned, but the new Red Priestess is just ...
...Hmm, @Sylar said something similar. But Raven never actually leaves the tree does he? He's been inhabiting it for thousands of years or something right ? I'm very confused about that moment.
Also wasn't properly mentioned, but the new Red Priestess is just ...
I always thought the whole point of the Raven was that he was part of the tree and it grew around him so he could never actually move. The Tree and Raven were essentially one being of sorts? So when Bran touches the tree, he is basically touching the Raven.
I might be mistaken in that though, it's just what I thought was implied.
Aah, yeah. That makes more sense. Him being one of a kind would also explain how Willis turned into Hodor since he is the only person able to combine both skills.
But you do realize what this means don't you ??
The Mad king is likely to go Mad because of Bran then.. .
.Yeah, theres no where obvious they will go. To help Sansa maybe? Only possible if Theon's sister now hates the Boltons more than the Starks though.
It's possible, but it makes the whole thing very Harry Potter like with the whole "Storing of Memories" etc..
Aah, yeah. That makes more sense. Him being one of a kind would also explain how Willis turned into Hodor since he is the only person able to combine both skills.
But you do realize what this means don't you ??
The Mad king is likely to go Mad because of Bran then..
Yeah I really wish I hadn't read that spoiler because it seems highly likely that's what will happen. They're kind of pointing in that direction, the only stumbling block is he can't Warg humans yet. I still think/hope that won't happen, but given that Bran would be trying to save his Grandfather in that scene. It wouldn't surprise me if he tried.
Yeah, cant work it out. Only thing I can think of is they might sail to Daenerys and get there first. It is after all a very good plan laid out by their uncle. So why not try and do it themselves?
The other option is to help Sansa/Jon, but can't see how they can do that with boats.
The other option is to help Sansa/Jon, but can't see how they can do that with boats.