Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

AldoRaine18 said:
:lol: Playing? He was clearly raged by the news of Cat capturing the imp and immediately started to attack. He lost his cool and wanted to take down Ned there. As for the rest, Ned was clearly in good shape unlike Robert and it had been only nine years since the last battle, plus we saw how the Starks practiced everyday in Winterfell, I don't believe his life was as comfortable as Robert that he would have lost all his swordsmanship. They had a tougher life than Robert who mainly lost his shape due to drinking and having to sit in the throne and not doing any physical work.

It is clear that your opinion of Jamie is made up from something that the rest of us are yet to see.
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About fighting, absolutely not. Just look at that video from their fight and tell me who had the upper hand.

It was like watching Sidious fighting Yoda, technically it was a drew but it was clear to see the difference between them.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Yes we know that you can clearly see the difference, and at some point in the show we will also know why. ;)
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Don't be a child, just watch the video I posted and tell me again that they were even in that fight.
 
Revan said:
Then how do you think that they were equally strong? Not from that, surely.
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Yes I do think that fight indicated Ned as the stronger one. He had no hesitation in telling that it was his wife who captured the imp, clearly he had no fear of Jamie? That is what actually is badass, not some cowardly man throwing a child off a window in an attempt to murder him. Obviously the fact that Ned was feared by almost everyone and Robert cited some examples of them going all out in battle and taking down whoever faced them adds to the reputation.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Yes I do think that fight indicated Ned as the stronger one. He had no hesitation in telling that it was his wife who captured the imp, clearly he had no fear of Jamie? That is what actually is badass, not some cowardly man throwing a child off a window in an attempt to murder him. Obviously the fact that Ned was feared by almost everyone and Robert cited some examples of them going all out in battle and taking down whoever faced them adds to the reputation.
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That is completely different. Being the best general doesn't implicate that you have to be the best fighter. No-one is denying that Ned was a great general and a great fighter, but if you think from that video that Ned was stronger and fight better than Jaime than either you are wumming or you don't want to accept it.

Also no-one was denying that Ned was brave.
 
Revan said:
That is completely different. Being the best general doesn't implicate that you have to be the best fighter. No-one is denying that Ned was a great general and a great fighter, but if you think from that video that Ned was stronger and fight better than Jaime than either you are wumming or you don't want to accept it.

Also no-one was denying that Ned was brave.
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Erm seeing that Jamie had no way to even get a single blow on a supposedly past his peak old fighter does suggest that Ned still had it in him. In any case there is no way to know now (at least for us who haven't read the book ;) ) so there is no point in going on.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Erm seeing that Jamie had no way to even get a single blow on a supposedly past his peak old fighter does suggest that Ned still had it in him. In any case there is no way to know now (at least for us who haven't read the book ;) ) so there is no point in going on.
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Err, seeing one fighter who is smiling during the fight and dancing, while the other is trying his best and looks exhausted?

Of course that there is no way we can be absolutely sure who was the better of two. The only way to definite it (and be sure about it) is of one of them defeated the other.

Anyway, we are running on circles now, let's better talk about Ygritte.
 
Revan said:
Err, seeing one fighter who is smiling during the fight and dancing, while the other is trying his best and looks exhausted?

Of course that there is no way we can be absolutely sure who was the better of two. The only way to definite it (and be sure about it) is of one of them defeated the other.

Anyway, we are running on circles now, let's better talk about Ygritte.
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Basically the GoT version of Valencia vs Nani
 
At first I wasn't sure how this was any geekier than the usual chat. But arguing over the intricacies of a fight :lol:
 
Brilliant episode.

Turns out Jamie isn't as much of a cnut as I thought. His scene was brilliant.

The fire people are all freaky feckers. Looks like they're taking a liking to Arya and might be able to get her to her brother but I'd like her to stay with them a bit longer.

Stanis needs to work on his parenting skills. There must be a story behind the girl's lizard skin, I thought her scene with Davos was really well done.

Poor Sansa. Fool should've left with the Hound. Tywin dropping the second part of his plan on Cersei was fun :lol: I think she'll plot against Tywin.

I was cheering for Robb when he first started the war but he seems to have gotten nowhere and is losing control of his own men. His new idea will likely fail when that guy realises Robb has got married to some one else and broken his promise.

She was hardly in this week's episode but I'm enjoying Daeneyres' story this season far more than when she was in Qarth. She is going to be a much better monarch than Robb if she wins the war.

Only disappointing aspect is that we're half way through the season and there are still no White Walkers :(
 
AldoRaine18 said:
:lol: You talk as if Ned was a 5 year old child who was left to the mercy of the mighty Jamie Lannister and couldn't defend himself. Jamie couldn't land a single blow on Ned and it was one of his men who injured Ned, not him. There is no way Jamie would have had any chance to win in a 1 on 1 against Ned.
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:wenger: Madness
 
CassiusClaymore said:
And what's with the kid being locked up in the Castle for having a bit of bad skin?

Seems harsh. Plenty of ugly feckers about and I'm sure they could do something with some kind of head scarf to hide it away if need be.
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What I got from it is that she's not a son. Melisandre gave him sons so the wife is a bit not too pleased and locks away her shame. Plus it's not like she's not allowed out is it or to see others? Davos regularly sees her and she easily goes down to the dungeons to see him.
 
Waldner said:
He was explaining to Brienne what happened for him to get his 'Kingslayer' nickname. Aerys (the king he killed) was mad and paranoid, and was obsessed with fire. He burned anyone he believed to be a traitor with wildfire. He ordered stashes of wildfire to be hidden underneath all of Kings Landing, giving orders for them all be to set off should the city be taken.

When the rebellion forces (so the Lannisters, Baratheons and Stark's) arrived at Kings Landing, Grand Maester Pycelle advised Aerys to open the gates to the Lannisters. Aerys ordered Jaime to go and kill his father and bring his head to him. Then the castle came under attack and Aerys went mad, shouting 'Burn them all' and was going to set the wildfile stores alight. Jaime stabbed him then and slit his throat. Ned Stark walked in just after this happened, leading to his Kingslayer nickname. Jaime never told anyone the truth of what happened at the time because he believed that 'the honorable Ned Stark had already made up his mind as he walked through that door'.

I think that's the jist of it. I may have missed a few little details.

EDIT: Removed the spoiler. Thanks for telling me, Aldo. :)
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Bit of correction. The Lannisters weren't rebellion forces. They were neutral. Varys and Jaime advised the king to not trust Tywin. Pycelle, as we've been shown, is a Lannister sympathiser and persuaded the king to open the gates. Tywin seeing that Robert and Ned were winning the war marched in and started laying waste to the forces. Aerys ordered the city burnt and for Jaime to kill his father.
 
ha_rooney said:
I was cheering for Robb when he first started the war but he seems to have gotten nowhere and is losing control of his own men. His new idea will likely fail when that guy realises Robb has got married to some one else and broken his promise.
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He already knows Robb married someone else. Earlier in the season when Lord Karstark and Robb are on horse in some forest setting they mention losing some of their forces. That would be the Freys who Catelyn bargained with in season 1 for the use of their bridge.
 
ha_rooney said:
Brilliant episode.
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Really? Thought it was really slow and quite boring with all the talking. I think we have been spoiled with the all episodes from the first two seasons with so much going on in each episode and so much fighting.
 
RDCR07 said:
Really? Thought it was really slow and quite boring with all the talking. I think we have been spoiled with the all episodes from the first two seasons with so much going on in each episode and so much fighting.
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I don't get these types of views. All the talking? There were some great scenes with great dialogue. I'd much rather watch a well written, well acted scene of people talking (Jaime and Brienne, or Tywin and Tyrion for example) than some bloke's leg being chopped off in a random fight scene.
 
The sign of a great show is that it doesn't need mindless tits and violence to keep you enthralled (in my opinion), I think they've been focusing less on that this season and the dialogue has been great. The scenes are also paced better, we don't have 50 minute episodes filled with only 6 or 7 overly long scenes between two characters anymore, that annoyed the shit out of me.
 
I know Sansa has become an essential plot point, but half of me just wishes the other characters involved just talked about her, and we never had to see her on screen. She's so boring.

Also :lol: at Jamie calling Pycelle a "great sunken cnut".
 
I cant see how they are going to make Sansa marry Tyrion?.

Surely Margeary will get into Joffreys ear and make him side with her, after all Tywins plot is the complete opposite of what she wanted.
 
The scaly girl was or is quite frightening actually. I subtitled her full lullabye in the closing credits and it made for some watery horrors to come. So white walkers from the cold, terrors from the deep and dragons from the sky. Does the throne even matter anymore? Ps. No one hint from books please, I'm happy working this out for myself thanks.
 
Silence nerds!

It was quite obvious that Jamie is a better swordsman than Ned from that fight scene alone (the age factor notwithstanding).

Cina said:
The sign of a great show is that it doesn't need mindless t*ts and violence to keep you enthralled (in my opinion), I think they've been focusing less on that this season and the dialogue has been great. The scenes are also paced better, we don't have 50 minute episodes filled with only 6 or 7 overly long scenes between two characters anymore, that annoyed the sh*t out of me.
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And surely the sign of an even better show is that it has all of that but then throws some t*ts into the equation as a bonus?
 
Well a lot of people rate GoT as one of the best ever, already, which I just don't agree with at all because it is so reliant on violence and titties to pull the audience in. Shows like The Wire and Breaking Bad have never had to do that.
 
Solius said:
I don't get these types of views. All the talking? There were some great scenes with great dialogue. I'd much rather watch a well written, well acted scene of people talking (Jaime and Brienne, or Tywin and Tyrion for example) than some bloke's leg being chopped off in a random fight scene.
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The problem was (for me anyway), that this episode not a great deal happened to push the story along. It was basically pushing a pawn forward in chess. Plenty of setup for future episodes but nothing else there. We've been introduced to yet another story arc with Stanis' daughter, which is yet more scene time taken away from other arcs.

I thought the pacing of that episode was way off balance frankly. For the first time in a while I was looking at my watch rather than being engrossed. I actually want to see some progression, instead everyone seems to be chilling out, sitting and plotting, to me that doesn't make good television. I don't want/need tits/fighting to make it interesting. I do however want to see the characters progress and move around the world a bit each episode rather than chilling out in some caves, castles, dungeons or the capital.

It felt like the entire storyline stopped for that episode, while we were given dialogue (a lot of it not really required). Hopefully it picks up next episode and the storyline gathers up a bit more pace again and pushes forward. At this point in time, i'm hoping that Sansa dies simply to stop all of this dull plotting. She'd marry a freaking cow if it looked handsome and wore some armor.
 
The show has always been like that though, building up the stories and having them all culminate in a massive shitstorm in the last two or three episodes. it was the same last season, loads of people were complaining about the lack of progression until the last few episodes.

It's also a recurring theme in HBO shows, I think they intentionally do it, the likes of The Wire and The Sopranos were very similar in that aspect.

AldoRaine18 said:
Book reading nerds need to GTFO.
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I haven't mentioned anything to do with plots. Stop being so anal.
 
The majority of us never mention any plots in the show and if someone asks a question about who a character is or whatever, we always spoiler is and put a warning. Any time someone who's read the books does venture too far, they're always warned about it in the book thread.
 
Just look how far Raven has gone with Jamie's character portrayal with so much conviction that if at any time in the show a situation arises that shows him as a downright disgraceful cnut, we are bound to believe before hand that it will turn given that someone who knew the whole plot never believed he was someone of that sort of stature. It is not as harmless as you are trying to make it look.
 
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