Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

That'sHernandez said:
You're acting like a fecking know-it-all though, which is enough for me to feck you off. Get out of here.
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WTF? When?

Talked in Jaime defense before because there was that scene I posted when he mentioned that 'burn it all' with the king. Other than that, he never was the evil person, or the frightening one like his father is. He was a cool badass who all the time says jokes, murdered a king, crippled a child and fecked his sister. Not the best person, not one of the best but far from the worst.
 
There's something about having the worst, unforgivable thing Jamie has done happen in the first ever episode that cheapens the whole redemption story a bit. I guess it's basically relying on the audience forgetting/no longer caring as much.
 
FCBarca said:
Still cowardly to stab someone in the back, hence the expression. Plus, incest and attempted murder of a child has to rank high up on the douchery scale
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It wasn't cowardly though was it? It was quite the opposite to kill the king and his hand, knowing it would likely put his own life at risk and he would be forever branded a kingslayer and a man without honour but saving all those innocents.

I'm not saying he's the nicest bloke going either. I'm pretty sure my posts over the past day/week show that.

Revan said:
Yep. It was only a matter of time.

Changed your mind about the Jaime yet? It looks like he has saved 500000 thousand people by doing that cnutish act if backstabbing the Mad King.
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:lol: You can't have read the books and come out with opinions based on stuff further down the line knowing more than everyone else.
 
Scrumpet said:
There's something about having the worst, unforgivable thing Jamie has done happen in the first ever episode that cheapens the whole redemption story a bit. I guess it's basically relying on the audience forgetting/no longer caring as much.
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Pretty much. I blasted through the first season just as the second had started but that incident seems ages ago.

I remember thinking what a rotten shit the bloke was all the way through the first season though. Hell, he bashed that lads head in with a rock in the second season too didn't he?

Losing his hand is the least he deserves, truth be told.

On another note; I can't believe Snow went down on that unwashed ginger. I can't imagine personal hygiene being a major concern back then. And when I say back then I'm well aware that this an entirely fictional Universe.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
I can't believe he went down on that unwashed ginger. I can't imagine personal hygiene being a major concern back then. And when I say back then I'm well aware that this an entirely fictional Universe.
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:lol: Yeah must've been dischargetastic down there. I imagine the majority of people only wash once a week but those Wildlings even less. And wearing those big sweaty furs that I doubt can be washed either.
Still would.
 
And what's with the kid being locked up in the Castle for having a bit of bad skin?

Seems harsh. Plenty of ugly feckers about and I'm sure they could do something with some kind of head scarf to hide it away if need be.
 
VeevaVee said:
:lol: You can't have read the books and come out with opinions based on stuff further down the line knowing more than everyone else.
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To be fair, I never have seen Jaime as that terrible human being people have. For example the scene with Ned, if Jaime was as that evil man without honor he would had simply kill him, not have a duel with him.

Saying that, I wanted Robb's wolf to eat his head in the second season.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
On another note; I can't believe Snow went down on that unwashed ginger. I can't imagine personal hygiene being a major concern back then. And when I say back then I'm well aware that this an entirely fictional Universe.
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Yeah, it touched me how they didn't wash up before doing that. Especially when the water was so near.
 
Anyway, it was a good episode. Tits, arse and swordfights. It should never stray from that core trio. Everything else should be layered on top.
 
Revan said:
WTF? When?

Talked in Jaime defense before because there was that scene I posted when he mentioned that 'burn it all' with the king. Other than that, he never was the evil person, or the frightening one like his father is. He was a cool badass who all the time says jokes, murdered a king, crippled a child and fecked his sister. Not the best person, not one of the best but far from the worst.
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The new definition of Badass-Attempted murder of a child and incest.
 
paceme said:
The new definition of Badass-Attempted murder of a child and incest.
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As I said above, the incest isn't the most horrible act in Game of Thrones world. The greatest kings, Targaryans have done it all the time and nobody complained. Not that I am saying that it is a good thing, but I don't think that it is fair to compare it by our world standards.

Never defended him for pushing Bran. It was probably a decision that he made in just a second without thinking well, but is is a decision that cannot be justified. Not that worse what that (now beheaded) lord did with the two Lannister children though. Or what Robert Barathyan would have done with Daenerys if he had the chance.
 
People confuse chaotic morality with evil. Jaime, at least upto this point is probably chaotic neutral, if you were to apply an arbitrary definition to him.
 
Revan said:
To be fair, I never have seen Jaime as that terrible human being people have. For example the scene with Ned, if Jaime was as that evil man without honor he would had simply kill him, not have a duel with him.

Saying that, I wanted Robb's wolf to eat his head in the second season.
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Considering that world, he's probably just more of a dickhead and is certainly not evil.

He's spoilt, naive, and selfish but him being dropped into the real world seems to be bringing out other facets to his personality.

CassiusClaymore said:
Anyway, it was a good episode. Tits, arse and swordfights. It should never stray from that core trio. Everything else should be layered on top.
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:lol: True.

Revan said:
As I said above, the incest isn't the most horrible act in Game of Thrones world. The greatest kings, Targaryans have done it all the time and nobody complained. Not that I am saying that it is a good thing, but I don't think that it is fair to compare it by our world standards.
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It's definitely still seen as a bad thing though. It's been brought up a few times in a negative fashion.
 
VeevaVee said:
It's definitely still seen as a bad thing though. It's been brought up a few times in a negative fashion.
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Yep. The latest in the last episode, when Tywin mentioned it a little to Cersei.

It's amazing though how no-one complained about Targaryans doing it all the time (I am meaning no-one from that society, for us watchers of the TV show is equally horrible).
VeevaVee said:
He's spoilt, naive, and selfish but him being dropped into the real world seems to be bringing out other facets to his personality.
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Yep, that's a good portrait of him.
 
Perhaps their society has moved forward since then?

It's about time Cersei got her tits out again anyway. Don't tell me she's signed no nude contract as well?
 
Revan said:
To be fair, I never have seen Jaime as that terrible human being people have. For example the scene with Ned, if Jaime was as that evil man without honor he would had simply kill him, not have a duel with him.

Saying that, I wanted Robb's wolf to eat his head in the second season.
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:lol: You talk as if Ned was a 5 year old child who was left to the mercy of the mighty Jamie Lannister and couldn't defend himself. Jamie couldn't land a single blow on Ned and it was one of his men who injured Ned, not him. There is no way Jamie would have had any chance to win in a 1 on 1 against Ned.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
:lol: You talk as if Ned was a 5 year old child who was left to the mercy of the mighty Jamie Lannister and couldn't defend himself. Jamie couldn't land a single blow on Ned and it was one of his men who injured Ned, not him. There is no way Jamie would have had any chance to win in a 1 on 1 against Ned.
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Jaime is one of the finest fighters in Westeros, possibly the world.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
:lol: You talk as if Ned was a 5 year old child who was left to the mercy of the mighty Jamie Lannister and couldn't defend himself. Jamie couldn't land a single blow on Ned and it was one of his men who injured Ned, not him. There is no way Jamie would have had any chance to win in a 1 on 1 against Ned.
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Whut? Jamie was regarded as the finest swordsman in the world other than Ser Selmy. It would of been close but don't be daft.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Yeah, that is why he need a group of knights with him to fight against one man. :rolleyes:
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He wanted Ned to go without issues - i.e. restrain him as soon as possible. That's easiest with lots of men than just you yourself.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
:lol: You talk as if Ned was a 5 year old child who was left to the mercy of the mighty Jamie Lannister and couldn't defend himself. Jamie couldn't land a single blow on Ned and it was one of his men who injured Ned, not him. There is no way Jamie would have had any chance to win in a 1 on 1 against Ned.
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There could be two or three persons in Westeros who could have defeated Jaime. Eddard Stark - as good as he was with a sword - was not a match for Jaime.
 
paceme said:
Whut? Jamie was regarded as the finest swordsman in the world other than Ser Selmy. It would of been close but don't be daft.
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So is Ned, who is respected by the entire continent is one of the best warriors in battle since generations. As I said, if Jamie was so confident on his sword fighting ability, why did he attack Ned with a group of knights?
 
It was also a kind of display of power. 'You're in my city now, I hold the power here, not you' kind of thing. And he didn't go to attack him, he went to apprehend him.
 
Waldner said:
He wanted Ned to go without issues - i.e. restrain him as soon as possible. That's easiest with lots of men than just you yourself.
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Did he order his men to stay out once the duel started? No. Ned was brave enough to say in Jamie's face that his wife captured the imp despite having a group of knights accompanying the mighty backstabber. Experience and courage, Jamie's a child in front of Ned.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Did he order his men to stay out once the duel started? No. Ned was brave enough to say in Jamie's face that his wife captured the imp despite having a group of knights accompanying the mighty backstabber. Experience and courage, Jamie's a child in front of Ned.
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Jaime was visibly pissed when that knight intervened, hence knocking him out. He wanted the duel.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
So is Ned, who is respected by the entire continent is one of the best warriors in battle since generations. As I said, if Jamie was so confident on his sword fighting ability, why did he attack Ned with a group of knights?
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Look mate, probably only Barristan Selmy and Clegane brothers would have been as good swordsman as Jaime. Barristan very likely even better, but when he was younger. Of course, Robert Baratheon in his best would have eaten Jaime for breakfast, but not after he became a fat drunk king.

Ned was good, very good, but I sincerely doubt that he could have defeated Jaime. Even during the fight, Jaime was more playing with him than actually fighting.

Also, Jaime is the youngest ever member of the Kingsguard and some years younger than Ned, so it is normal for him to be more powerful.

Don't forget that Ned had his knights too. Jaime only didn't want to take chances, but he would have defeated Ned in an 1 to 1 undoubtedly.
 
Shit's gettin' nerdy.

VeevaVee said:
Perhaps their society has moved forward since then?

It's about time Cersei got her tits out again anyway. Don't tell me she's signed no nude contract as well?
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I don't think she's ever had them out in the show.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Well he was going nowhere was he? Did his sword touch Ned once?
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Just look at the fight. Jaime is more dancing and pushing Stark to show all his best.

Also, stamina counts. At the end of the battle, Eddard was exhausted while Jaime looked fresh.
 
Revan said:
Look mate, probably only Barristan Selmy and Clegane brothers would have been as good swordsman as Jaime. Barristan very likely even better, but when he was younger. Of course, Robert Baratheon in his best would have eaten Jaime for breakfast, but not after he became a fat drunk king.

Ned was good, very good, but I sincerely doubt that he could have defeated Jaime. Even during the fight, Jaime was more playing with him than actually fighting.

Also, Jaime is the youngest ever member of the Kingsguard and some years younger than Ned, so it is normal for him to be more powerful.

Don't forget that Ned had his knights too. Jaime only didn't want to take chances, but he would have defeated Ned in an 1 to 1 undoubtedly.
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:lol: Playing? He was clearly raged by the news of Cat capturing the imp and immediately started to attack. He lost his cool and wanted to take down Ned there. As for the rest, Ned was clearly in good shape unlike Robert and it had been only nine years since the last battle, plus we saw how the Starks practiced everyday in Winterfell, I don't believe his life was as comfortable as Robert that he would have lost all his swordsmanship. They had a tougher life than Robert who mainly lost his shape due to drinking and having to sit in the throne and not doing any physical work.

It is clear that your opinion of Jamie is made up from something that the rest of us are yet to see.
 
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