One of the best ever episodes that's for sure.
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Just watched the episode and it was really brilliant, possibly the best episode of the TV show.
Epic ending!
Epic ending!
I think the Caleesi (sp) is the fittest, kindest, most just of all the possible candidates for the throne. Add to that an army of eunuchs and 3 dragons, she's going to be pretty hard to stop. If she ends up becoming queen, I'm having a victory wank in her honour.
Just read the previous page and it's Khaleesi.
I <3 her
Just read the previous page and it's Khaleesi.
I <3 her
It doesnt make sense at all in a series based around how you need to have some amount of intellectual ability and leadership to get to the top that the leader of the city with the best army in the world is such a dumbass.
His whole character was the embodiment of bad fiction. Obvious cnut who we were clearly meant to dislike from the get go, who then does something completely implausible that is accepted as "in character" purely because of how bad the character is. It was a shit story line, something kids and people who enjoy Jason Statham movies would like.
Her names Daenerys. Khaleesi is her title. Illiterate Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
And she's mine.
And she's mine.
Could anyone tell me if the content of this series all comes from the first book of the Song of Ice and Fire series (A Game of Thrones) or is every book more or less covered by one season.
I want to read the books first before watching the series, but I'm wondering if I should read all 5 books first or whether I can start watching the series already after finishing the first book.
I want to read the books first before watching the series, but I'm wondering if I should read all 5 books first or whether I can start watching the series already after finishing the first book.
Daenerys Targaryen is mine. We can have a duel if you want
Absolutely disagree. We are talking about a society when slavery was accepted and encouraged (the east continent of course). It wasn't to be expected from a member of that society that Daenerys would do that. To his way of thinking that came completely as a surprise, she needed an army, and if she needed another one in the future she knew the place. Also he was amazed by the dragon and lost his mind. I think that it was a good story.
Cheers.
Did you not see it coming from the first scene in the second (?) episode when they did their first negotiations? It was the most obvious thing so far in the entire series. Im baffled people think it's one of the high points so far. If they are going down the road of story lines like that, with black and white characters, Ill stop watching. Fair enough if others find it enjoyable, but that sort of thing is popcorn TV, not objectively good TV.
The most enjoyable thing of GoT for me is the politics and the deep, nuanced characters. Daenerys' was a very interesting storyline in the first season where she developed as a character, but now shes the most predictable character of all the main ones. I swear shes had one facial expression this whole season. "Determined, strong woman".
I wasn't saying that it wasn't predictable. For us that we know Daenerys it certainly was. She hated slavery, in the first season she didn't let Dothraki soldiers rape random women after a battle. But for that man, it certainly wasn't predictable. No-one ever had double crossed them, and he just watched her as an another customer. She buys the army, and if she will ever need another one she will come back there to get.
About black-white characters, there isn't a single one important black-white character in the show (some minor ones like Gregor Clegane yes) but the majority of them are so complex. It is what makes this TV Show that good, there aren't good and evils, black and white, everyone is gray here.
Yes and thats why the show is so good compared to other similar shows (fictional worlds). That guy who traded away his army was as one-dimensional as it gets, and thats why (to me) it was one of the worst story lines so far. There was no doubt as to what he would do or what would happen, so why drag it out over two-three episodes?
I thought it was very entertaining. But maybe Brosstan has a point. It might have been more interesting had the slave trader just outwitted her instead of giving away his entire army at the whim of a suspect promise.
That's possible but as already explained he's used to people buying his soldiers and then selling him people to make more soldiers of. Now he has in his eyes a noob who's proving herself a noob by giving up one of her dragons for the trade. Dragons are rare based on what's been said in the show so he was close to jerking himself off at the thought.
He's likely been slave trading for years and because he has such a quality product business is great and no one has ever tried to cross him because they love his services and buy into the whole idea of slavery being grand. Also, his buyers make a little money back when their 100% guaranteed product gives them prisoners they can sell back to him. Not everyone's gonna think something's up when they're getting what seems to be a good deal from someone they think is an idiot because she's a woman and a young one at that.
He's likely been slave trading for years and because he has such a quality product business is great and no one has ever tried to cross him because they love his services and buy into the whole idea of slavery being grand. Also, his buyers make a little money back when their 100% guaranteed product gives them prisoners they can sell back to him. Not everyone's gonna think something's up when they're getting what seems to be a good deal from someone they think is an idiot because she's a woman and a young one at that.
That's probably not what happened in the books though (haven't read them just assuming since this is based off the books and I think they're staying true to them?). Can't really blame the show people in that case.
Like I said, I found the whole sequence extremely well done. I just thought it might have been more palatable had he showed a bit more wit instead of just throwing his army away like a spastic. I do accept the point others have made though. Perhaps it's more effective this way as it shows how people underestimate and overlook innocent little Daenerys.
Correct.
The White Walkers are a mythological race mentioned in ancient legends and stories from the time of the First Men and the Children of the Forest. Eight thousand years before Robert's Rebellion, a winter known as the Long Night lasted a generation. In the darkness and cold of the Long Night, the White Walkers descended upon Westeros from the farthest north, the polar regions of the Lands of Always Winter. None knew why they came, but they killed all in their path, reanimating the dead as wights to kill the living at their command. Eventually the peoples of Westeros rallied and in a conflict known as the War for the Dawn, the White Walkers were defeated and driven back into the uttermost north, with the Wall raised to bar their return.
He's not the leader of the city though, just a slaver in a city full of slavers. Other slavers may be selling slaves to do housework, to have sex with you, to build you a mansion, whatever. He sells soldiers. They aren't his soldiers, as in he's not a general. He trains them, then sells them on. I'm guessing most people don't have the money to buy 8,000 of them but she had a dragon, which are obviously rather rare in this world.
Its not like a great general has just sold off his best troops. It is a man, doing his job. Training slaves. Selling slaves.
Was it pretty clear what was going to happen? Of course but not everything can be twists and turns I guess.
I also forgot to say that it is proven that men have slightly impaired ability to think after looking at a hot lady
Great episode. Nice to see Danaerys is keeping up her bi-polar streak... Oh, I'm so pretty and kind and nice... but cross me (or sometimes don't even) and I'LL feckING KILL YOU ALL HORRIBLY YOU BASTARDS.
I think she has mental health issues.
One of the best things about this show is that it can actually make you feel sorry for characters you have previously despised, and almost make you forget about their previous transgression... I had to remind myself that Jamei Lannister and Theon were cnuts.
Questions I have
- With the Nightwatch in fighting, who was fighting whom? Was it people loyal to the watch vs. the people rebelling? When were sides picked?
- The crew that Ariya has fallen in with - they follow the same religion as the Red Hair woman that hangs around with Baratheon right?
- Cersei wants to bang Joffery in a couple of years time right?
- Where's Rob Stark?
- How old is Margery meant to be? She looks way older then both Sansa and Joffery...
Unless she doesn't like you for some reason, in which case you can suffer a bleak, sometimes gruesome, death.
I think she has mental health issues.
One of the best things about this show is that it can actually make you feel sorry for characters you have previously despised, and almost make you forget about their previous transgression... I had to remind myself that Jamei Lannister and Theon were cnuts.
Questions I have
- With the Nightwatch in fighting, who was fighting whom? Was it people loyal to the watch vs. the people rebelling? When were sides picked?
- The crew that Ariya has fallen in with - they follow the same religion as the Red Hair woman that hangs around with Baratheon right?
- Cersei wants to bang Joffery in a couple of years time right?
- Where's Rob Stark?
- How old is Margery meant to be? She looks way older then both Sansa and Joffery...
Unless she doesn't like you for some reason, in which case you can suffer a bleak, sometimes gruesome, death.
Why? For killing some slaver masters and for killing a witch which destroyed her life after she saved her, and for killing her best friend who betrayed her.
Jaime is far from a cnut. She had done some bad things, like pushing Bran and fecking her sister (which in that civilization wasn't the worst thing ever, considering that Targaryans did that all the time. And Targaryans before the Robert's rebellion were kings and the most respected ones.
People who were starving and decided to kill the daughter fecker (which of course was unacceptable for Lord Commander) versus people who weren't prepared to betray him. It wasn't something that was planned, more just starving people (who are not man of honour but more ex criminals who had to choose wall or death) went against their commander rules.
Yep. The God of Fire is their god, unlike the other Westerosi people who have the God with seven faces (or something like that), or Starks who have the old Gods (they pray to trees all the time)
Right now he is on Riverrun, the capital of House of Tully (his mother's house). It is located west of Harrenhal (the castle which was given to Littlefinger).
If you have time, look at map of Westeros.
http://gameofthrones.net/images/Westeros_Maps/map_of_westeros.jpg
Yes, she must be older than Joffrey considering that she was also married before with Renly. I don't think that it was mentioned ever about how old is she though.
It's not only that they are rare, they were extinct for about 150 years and there are only three in the world.
I just remembered that Bran bit at the start. That was a bit of a pointless scene.
To be fair, he is that pointless that I doubt someone will miss him if we don't see him again.
Let's see... she allowed her brother to have a gruesome death. She locked two people in a safe to starve to death (how nice). She asked to kill ALL slave masters (only men though, women slavers are fine), despite the fact that some of them might have actually been kind people who were nice to their slaves (it might be explained in the book, but for all we know, they could well be) ... I'm sure I'm forgetting some people, but yeah, basically, she's not shy of brutally killing folk.
You must have a pretty high cnut threshold!
Also, wasn't it he who is the reason that Ned had to walk around with a caine? cnut!
Also, it better not be a spoiler as to why you've refered to Jaime twice as a girl...
Nevermind backstabbing the king while being a part of the kingsguard? He is a cnut, and deserves what he is getting. Death would have been an easy punishment.
Also, the fact that he's shagging his sister is the whole reason why Ned is dead, and there's a war going on.
And... don't a lot of people think that one of the reasons the mad king was mad was due to all the inbreeding?
In short... shagging your sister = bad.
And... don't a lot of people think that one of the reasons the mad king was mad was due to all the inbreeding?
In short... shagging your sister = bad.
I've been doing this and I have to say it's getting me a bit confused as there's quite a few differences between the series and the books.
No book talk!!
She allowed her brother to be killed, after he just threatened to kill her and her unborn child in a sacred place. A brother that always abused here. He said to her in the first episode of the show 'For an army, I will leave 40000 Dothraki soldiers feck you. And their horses too'. He was her brother by blood, but he always looked Danny as a tool to get the throne back. Also, there was no chance in hell that she could have done something to stop Drogo killing him, after what Viserys had just done.
She locked two people to starve to death after they planned to kill her (even worse in fact, to let her be imprisoned forever because magic grows strong when dragons are near her).
Killing slaves, she was always against slavery. She considers Westeros her home when the slavery was forbidden. After killing the slave masters, she gave freedom to all the slaves.
What he did to Bran was unacceptable. It was on the heat of the moment but there is no excuse to that. fecking Cersei, she was his twin and they were always together, but fecking sisters is wrong, no doubt about that.
He was having a duel with Ned, he never meant that his soldier will intervene and injure Ned from back. He hitted that soldier hard for that.
Jaime is not a good person and yes, maybe your right for calling him a cnut. But he is nowhere as bad as a lot of people think and is not a man without honor at all.
It was a typing mistake, no worries, he is not a girl.
We don't know the story behind it. We just know that be killed the MAD king, the person who was responsible for having the biggest war since Targaryans occupied the Westeros. Let's not judge without having all the facts.
Who is saying that? Targaryans (and in fact all people from Old Valyria) have always done that. His son, Rhaegar wasn't mad at all, and was described by many persons (Barristan Selmy for example in the latest episode) as the greatest man.
In conclusion: Cold Blooded Killer.
I seem to recall in one of the episodes someone talking about the mad king being a product of incest (and then also say, then again, they did rule for years). I may have made that up though.
Either way, they clearly portray Joffery as a mentalist... and he's the product of incest the whole show is centred around.
Only for the people who really deserved that.
Mirri Maz Duur, the big black (forgot his name), her friend and the slavers completely deserved it.
Judging by the standards of their time, and if you have to divide people on good and evil (although that is very unrealistic) she is together with Tyrion and John Snow in the good category for me.
Mad king was a product of incest, as was his son Rhaegar who was a great person. The Targaryans who were great rulers of Westeros were generally product of incest, and they were that great because their blood was pure dragon.
Joffrey is a mentalist, but I think that his sister and his younger brother have been described as very kind child. I don't think that him being so evil and so retarded has much to do with him being a product of incest as it has to be with him being Cerseis's son.
I'm not sure either Tyrion or John Snow would a) push an order to kill hundreds(?) of defenseless people (We know she doesn't like Slavers, but ultimately, the show didn't show us whether these people were armed or what the majority of their crimes were (apart from owning slaves) or whatever) or b) leave someone in a safe to die... I mean that's an incredibly morbid, brutal death.
Those two would just stick a sword (or have someone) through them and be done with it. To be left to die in a safe is pretty grim... one of the worst ways to die I imagine.
The inclination is there. It's not spelt out but it doesn't have to be. Considering that normal social conventions are that children who are a product of incest may emerge with something wrong with them, the fact that there is this king (who is clearly, mentally troubled) who is a product of incest, and it's there for the viewer to make the connection.
Slavers who got children from their parents, trained them (only one on four survived) and their last act was to order them to kill an another innocent kid (and give a silver to their slavers not their masters for that) before they graduated. What good persons they were.
The Targaryans who were product of incest were the greatest kings Westeros has ever seen. Joffrey is evil, but his two siblings are kind.
I really don't think that incest has to do anything with it. Some people are just evil and mad (The Clegane brothers for example, or the person who is doing that to Theon, or Theon's father).
It was painfully obvious what her intentions were all along but it was a great end to the episode. Possibly the first time in this series that I've actually felt entertained.
It doesn't matter if the king was mad or causing wars, he was supposed to guard the king with his life. His father infiltrated the city after deceiving the said king and he in the end slayed him, that too from the back. What a coward, and also a cnut. Coward cnut. I really think we need to lynch him tonight if we want to have any chance of winning.