Gabriel Obertan | 2009/10 Performances

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Jiggs'Hamstring said:
I'd like to think he can become a real aerial threat - that's something we will definitely miss. He looks a fairly competent header of the ball from the one attempt in the video above. Although he was in acres and should probably have scored.
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He won a pretty tasty aerial challenge prior to France's second goal against England.
 
Cling Bak said:
Can he cope with the rigours of the English game?
Absolutely. I think the French league, in general, is a great finishing school for life in England. It’s physically tougher than most other leagues in Europe – certainly the Spanish, Portuguese, German or Italian leagues – so that helps players prepare for the Premier League. Most players who have come from France to England are quite physical and get stuck in – people like Drogba and Essien at Chelsea and even Bassong at Newcastle. Obertan is a big guy – 6ft 1in – he’s quick and he can handle himself against defenders. I think that’s something that would have really appealed to United.

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={6DDFCB6E-3471-4E45-9385-F04D05F4A70D}&newsid=6635854&page=1
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I don't believe that, a physical league yes but no way more physical than the Italian or German league.No way
 
From the few vids I've seen, he seems to be very fast and strong. His technique is obvious, if very raw and unnatural yet. But this comes with trial and error, and being encouraged to keep getting up and coming back for more.
Also his decision making leaves a lot to be desired, but that is the last ingredient to improve, and comes with playing games.

Seems like a decent gamble by Ferguson.
 
Fergie's gum said:
From the few vids I've seen, he seems to be very fast and strong. His technique is obvious, if very raw and unnatural yet. But this comes with trial and error, and being encouraged to keep getting up and coming back for more.
Also his decision making leaves a lot to be desired, but that is the last ingredient to improve, and comes with playing games.

Seems like a decent gamble by Ferguson.
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He kind of reminds me of Henry in the World Cup 98, i remember laughing at his name back then, but could not figure out why he caused so many problems (as he did not score much, but he made plenty). It was not until he came to the EPL, and showed his real class and his deceptive searing pace, that i realised how good he was.

Orbertan still has two or three years to reach that level (WC98), after that well, let's see.

What's his age compared to when Ronaldo joined? i really think Fergie has got him at the right age to develop into something special.
 
He's well worth the £3M we've reportedly payed for him, thats for sure.

I'm actually quite looking forward to seeing him in action, never seen play before but I have watched a couple of the vids and he looks like he's got some talent.
 
gulli_G said:
He kind of reminds me of Henry in the World Cup 98, i remember laughing at his name back then, but could not figure out why he caused so many problems (as he did not score much, but he made plenty). It was not until he came to the EPL, and showed his real class and his deceptive searing pace, that i realised how good he was.

Orbertan still has two or three years to reach that level (WC98), after that well, let's see.

What's his age compared to when Ronaldo joined? i really think Fergie has got him at the right age to develop into something special.
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The same age :)
 
For £3mil I can have little complaints or reservations. His tricks intrigue me, it will be interesting to see how his game evolves at Old Trafford. He has the right attributes, pace, technique, agility, age, relative toughness etc.
 
Fergie's gum said:
From the few vids I've seen, he seems to be very fast and strong. His technique is obvious, if very raw and unnatural yet. But this comes with trial and error, and being encouraged to keep getting up and coming back for more.
Also his decision making leaves a lot to be desired, but that is the last ingredient to improve, and comes with playing games.

Seems like a decent gamble by Ferguson.
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His decision making in the Toulon tournament was as good as any other player I saw playing in it. Based on what I saw of him there he didnt look any worse at making the choice of what to do with the ball than Cristiano Ronaldo... And I mean the current one, not the kid we first signed. He can obviously still improve it a lot but if we were to play him in one of the early games in the season and if he carries on his form from the tournament, he wouldnt look out of place, making bad choices of how to use the ball and often losing it to the opposition. He'd be pretty good at keeping it.
 
Ekeke said:
His decision making in the Toulon tournament was as good as any other player I saw playing in it. Based on what I saw of him there he didnt look any worse at making the choice of what to do with the ball than Cristiano Ronaldo... And I mean the current one, not the kid we first signed. He can obviously still imorove it a lot but if we were to play him in one of the early games in the season and if he carries on his form from the tournament, he wouldnt look out of place, making bad choices of how to use the ball and often losing it to the opposition. He'd be pretty good at keeping it.
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Of course as the Toulon tournament was about his level of play, will he able to do it in the league or champions league is another matter
 
I've given up waiting for this kid to come good. I was so excited when he signed, but so far he has produced... well... nothing. I'm sorry, but United is about winning trophies - he hasn't won any with us, and we just can't wait around for him.
Time to get rid.:(
 
A1Dan said:
I've given up waiting for this kid to come good. I was so excited when he signed, but so far he has produced... well... nothing. I'm sorry, but United is about winning trophies - he hasn't won any with us, and we just can't wait around for him.
Time to get rid.:(
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true we've not even won a game since he's signed
 
kouroux said:
Of course as the Toulon tournament was about his level of play, will he able to do it in the league or champions league is another matter
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I dont see how its any different in terms of making the right choices. There are right choices and wrong choices and it doesnt matter if you're playing in the Toulon Tournament or in the Champions League final, they wont change. Either you do something thats likely going to keep the ball or you do something which will likely lose the ball.
 
Ekeke said:
I dont see how its any different in terms of making the right choices. There are right choices and wrong choices and it doesnt matter if you're playing in the Toulon Tournament or in the Champions League final, they wont change. Either you do something thats likely going to keep the ball or you do something which will likely lose the ball.
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Well, the amount of time you are allowed on the ball would be much less in a tougher competition like EPL, while he would have comparitively greater time in the youth tournament.

The decision making is dependent on the time he has with the ball. So there is definitely a connection there.

It's good we have a couple of relatively easy teams first up.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Well, the amount of time you are allowed on the ball would be much less in a tougher competition like EPL, while he would have comparitively greater time in the youth tournament.

The decision making is dependent on the time he has with the ball. So there is definitely a connection there.

It's good we have a couple of relatively easy teams first up.
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Good points. Pressure also plays a factor.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Well, the amount of time you are allowed on the ball would be much less in a tougher competition like EPL, while he would have comparitively greater time in the youth tournament.

The decision making is dependent on the time he has with the ball. So there is definitely a connection there.

It's good we have a couple of relatively easy teams first up.
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Yes but there is also the challenge issue to take into account. Obertan may have stalled in his development in France because the challenge just wasn't there. He may, like Ronaldo, become bored easily and constantly need a challenge. We could see him develop quickly with all the new stimulus around him, better players and coaches, harder competition.

As I've said before, if he doesn't develop with us, he won't develop anywhere.
 
Redfighter said:
Yes but there is also the challenge issue to take into account. Obertan may have stalled in his development in France because the challenge just wasn't there. He may, like Ronaldo, become bored easily and constantly need a challenge. We could see him develop quickly with all the new stimulus around him, better players and coaches, harder competition.

As I've said before, if he doesn't develop with us, he won't develop anywhere.
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I'm sorry, but I've never said that he won't develop, or he's a bad signing. Only point being, he can't be judged already as a player on the basis of a youth team tournament.

There's a huge difference between EPL and Toulon. I'm excited to see this kid. I'm sure he'll be given time and opportunity to settle here and fingers crossed, he'll come good.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Well, the amount of time you are allowed on the ball would be much less in a tougher competition like EPL, while he would have comparitively greater time in the youth tournament.

The decision making is dependent on the time he has with the ball. So there is definitely a connection there.

It's good we have a couple of relatively easy teams first up.
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I wouldnt categorise "What pace a player can play at, under pressure" as part of decision making though. It will differ from game to game and like any young player, absolutely any one, he'll have to get used to the pace of the premier league. Nobody comes ready made for it if they havent played it before.

What wont happen though is, if a player makes good choices of how to use the ball in an under 21s tournament, he wont suddenly forget how to make good choices playing against players older than 21.

He may try to impress too much and try too many flicks, trying to catch the eye now he's a united player. Thats true. But even if that did happen he'd just need a talking to, to make sure he plays as he did recently in matches that got him his move in the first place.
 
Ekeke said:
I wouldnt categorise "What pace a player can play at, under pressure" as part of decision making though. It will differ from game to game and like any young player, absolutely any one, he'll have to get used to the pace of the premier league. Nobody comes ready made for it if they havent played it before.

What wont happen though is, if a player makes good choices of how to use the ball in an under 21s tournament, he wont suddenly forget how to make good choices playing against players older than 21.

He may try to impress too much and try too many flicks, trying to catch the eye now he's a united player. Thats true. But even if that did happen he'd just need a talking to, to make sure he plays as he did recently in matches that got him his move in the first place.
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Leaving all aside, I think it's fair to say that we'll have to watch how he plays (makes decisions on the field with the ball) when he doesn't have that much time on the ball, as he did in the youth tournament.

You can call it how many ways you want (like getting adjusted to the league, acclimatisation) but in the end, it's all the same.
 
Ekeke said:
I dont see how its any different in terms of making the right choices. There are right choices and wrong choices and it doesnt matter if you're playing in the Toulon Tournament or in the Champions League final, they wont change. Either you do something thats likely going to keep the ball or you do something which will likely lose the ball.
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:lol::lol::lol:
If you don't see the difference in terms of decision making a player can make during a competitive PL match and a very poor Toulon tournament then really you have got a screw loose.The competition and the adrenalin levels aren't the same there comparing a player who makes good decisions in a kid's tournaments to another who does it at some of the highest level is stupid

Redfighter said:
Yes but there is also the challenge issue to take into account. Obertan may have stalled in his development in France because the challenge just wasn't there. He may, like Ronaldo, become bored easily and constantly need a challenge. We could see him develop quickly with all the new stimulus around him, better players and coaches, harder competition.

As I've said before, if he doesn't develop with us, he won't develop anywhere.
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Tbh the guy never proved himself in France because he's just starting his career and there is no way he could get bored of the level played inFrance.It pains me to see such young kids leave France when they haven't properly played football here (yes even if United signs him).
Like you said I think he'll develop as a player but will it be enough for him to have any kinda future ? It's a really tough thing to say.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I won't classify either Nani and Anderson in the 'can't make it at United' group yet. If you already did, then God bless Optimus Prime :nervous:
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You're the one who said to wait for a couple of months to see anything and I told you it was more complicated than that, that's it.The rest is words you're trying to make me say and ffs Optimus Prime :wenger:
 
Richter said:
As for Gabriel Obertan, the Reds’ recent recruit from Bordeaux, Sir Alex revealed the Frenchman won’t pull on a United shirt until at least October.

“Obertan has an injury that will keep him out for three months or maybe more. We were aware of that at the medical but we’re quite happy with the situation.”

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=6636390
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Damn, that's shit man.This means no preseason and therefore no proper preparation for the season. What are you thinking Fergie, signing up an injured player ffs ?
 
No real biggie, seems to me he was always going to start off in the reserves anyway
 
Hehe, this was a difficult one to spot, as you've been less than excited with the signing, Kouroux.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He's obviously signed him with a view to the long-term, rather than just this season.
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Of course. When he's fit I hope to see him impress through the reserves then be given some appearances in the cup competitions. By the end of the season we will see what he is capable of, im sure of it. This year is just the start for him and in the near future I hope to see a steady improvement.
 
Bit worrying as players who come to a new club injured at the start invariably find it more difficult to settle.
 
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