Gabriel Jesus - United and others apparently meet release clause

amolbhatia50k said:
Thank feck Bayern weren't in this sort of mood when we signed Martial.
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There is no proof that they would have got Martial even if they were interested. The fact is we can offer just as many incentives to players as they can.

Just because they got Sanchez does not mean they can get every player, Dembele is an example of that.
 
They're just buying everyone. Where does he fit in their squad anyway?
 
Does a player like him not look at Bayern and think, yeah I'm not getting any game time there. Then again, it's easy to see how he might've bought into the Mourinho youth myth like 99% of others.
 
Bayern might be preparing themselves for life after Lewandowski. They might keep him for another year but they are maximum 12 months away from being disrespected by his agent and called 'a deluded small club who don't deserve Lewandowski anymore' on national television like Dortmund were. Jesus could sign this year, get used to European football and kick off from 2017-18.
 
Bayern are typically efficient these days. Buying up all the top youth talent now that their first team and bench are so strong.
 
Just brilliantly run. They're trying their best to make a superfluous transition from old to new whilst having a beastly rotation who can all offer a lot and make make 1st xi selection as competitive within camp as ever.

This change of policy, though, is it not decimating Bayern's own academy? Isn't that the fall guy in all of this wunderkind switching?
 
Varun said:
Depends on whether the player in question interests us though Raoul. If we want him too ala Sanchez, it does matter.
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Not for me. We should be going after players who can actually fill positions we are in need of improving relative to Mourinho's strategy imo. Ultimately, these players only offer potential, and haven't actually achieved anything yet. They could just wind up squad players much like Thiago and Martinez.
 
Raoul said:
Not for me. We should be going after players who can actually fill positions we are in need of improving relative to Mourinho's strategy imo. Ultimately, these players only offer potential, and haven't actually achieved anything yet. They could just wind up squad players.
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If we target a player, it means Mourinho wants him and thus sees him as a part of his setup. Gabriel is a huge talent btw, could well turn put to be a Martialesque signing. There's obviously an element of risk as is the case with kids especially from Brazil but the price isn't steep. Anyways, all of that is secondary, the important thing is that us being interested in player X means Mourinho wants player X and thus Bayern bulldozing in and getting him does matter.
 
Damn it. I thought Ancelotti stated that they were done for this summer with the Hummels and Sanches signings.
 
BarstoolProphet said:
Damn it. I thought Ancelotti stated that they were done for this summer with the Hummels and Sanches signings.
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They might buy him and loan him to Portugal or something. It's not confirmed anyway. Supposedly Leipzig and Juventus are interested, too.
 
Varun said:
If we target a player, it means Mourinho wants him and thus sees him as a part of his setup. Gabriel is a huge talent btw, could well turn put to be a Martialesque signing. There's obviously an element of risk as is the case with kids especially from Brazil but the price isn't steep. Anyways, all of that is secondary, the important thing is that us being interested in player X means Mourinho wants player X and thus Bayern bulldozing in and getting him does matter.
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Who said we were interested in him ?
 
Ace of Spades said:
There is no proof that they would have got Martial even if they were interested. The fact is we can offer just as many incentives to players as they can.

Just because they got Sanchez does not mean they can get every player, Dembele is an example of that.
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There is no "proof" either way.

You're just getting unecesarily defensive of our lure. It's pretty obvious that Bayern at present, simply have more of it than we do. These things are cyclical anyway. If we get back to winning ways, we'll be at par or higher soon.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
There is no "proof" either way.

You're just getting unecesarily defensive of our lure. It's pretty obvious that Bayern at present, simply have more of it than we do. These things are cyclical anyway. If we get back to winning ways, we'll be at par or higher soon.
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Your post assumed that Bayern would have got Martial like they did with Sanchez just because of their 'lure', which is non sense and I gave the example of Dembele, who they failed to sign despite of their 'lure'.

I was not being defensive, merely pointing out the flaws of your assumption. That just because one transfer turned out that way, does not mean that every other transfer in the past would have turned out similarly in the same situation.
 
Sarni said:
Bayern might be preparing themselves for life after Lewandowski. They might keep him for another year but they are maximum 12 months away from being disrespected by his agent and called 'a deluded small club who don't deserve Lewandowski anymore' on national television like Dortmund were. Jesus could sign this year, get used to European football and kick off from 2017-18.
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Isn't he a winger? I've no clue, don't think I've ever seen him play. It's a bit confusing when different people on the Caf claim that he could be a replacement for our wingers or for our striker. According to whoscored, he scored 8 goals in 26 games so far in the league. I doubt the club seriously considers him the replacement for Lewandowski in 2017, that would be mental.
 
The constant Bayern meltdown on the Caf whenever we're rumoured to sign someone is pretty funny by the way. Many of the muppet signings turned out to be rather underwhelming buys anyway (Shaqiri, Thiago, Götze, Benatia) while the surprising purchases like Coman or Costa looked pretty good.
 
Balu said:
Isn't he a winger? I've no clue, don't think I've ever seen him play. It's a bit confusing when different people on the Caf claim that he could be a replacement for our wingers or for our striker. According to whoscored, he scored 8 goals in 26 games so far in the league. I doubt the club seriously considers him the replacement for Lewandowski in 2017, that would be mental.
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Winger but has played upfront too at times unless I'm mistaken. Still, he's a winger.
 
I don't think he's anywhere near as good as he's being hyped up to be. I hope it's true him going elsewhere and not to us.
 
Balu said:
Isn't he a winger? I've no clue, don't think I've ever seen him play. It's a bit confusing when different people on the Caf claim that he could be a replacement for our wingers or for our striker. According to whoscored, he scored 8 goals in 26 games so far in the league. I doubt the club seriously considers him the replacement for Lewandowski in 2017, that would be mental.
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I thought he was a striker. I certainly don't know much about him either aside from a few videos. Looks an exciting talent but who doesn't from 3-minute highlights.
 
Sarni said:
I thought he was a striker. I certainly don't know much about him either aside from a few videos. Looks an exciting talent but who doesn't from 3-minute highlights.
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:lol: So true. I don't even watch youtube highlights of new signings anymore, it's completely pointless.

Is there anyone on the Caf who regularly watches the Brazilian league and isn't totally biased? I'd love to know more about him now even though I highly doubt that we'll sign him. We've stopped signing young talents directly from Brazil for a reason. It's been a failure almost every time and they all struggled to adapt to the club, the league or the weather and then get frustrated. We've had much more success with Southamerican players when they went to a smaller club or a different league first. I don't think we're desperate for a winger/forward talent either, so it would be odd to change that approach now.
 
Balu said:
The constant Bayern meltdown on the Caf whenever we're rumoured to sign someone is pretty funny by the way. Many of the muppet signings turned out to be rather underwhelming buys anyway (Shaqiri, Thiago, Götze, Benatia) while the surprising purchases like Coman or Costa looked pretty good.
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Tbh, I think a lot of us just admire the level Bayern are at, dominating the domestic league, one of the best in Europe, but still constantly looking to improve.
And we know that since United need to improve in a lot of areas, when Bayern keep adding good players, it makes it that much harder to catch up.
 
Balu said:
:lol: So true. I don't even watch youtube highlights of new signings anymore, it's completely pointless.

Is there anyone on the Caf who regularly watches the Brazilian league and isn't totally biased? I'd love to know more about him now even though I highly doubt that we'll sign him. We've stopped signing young talents directly from Brazil for a reason. It's been a failure almost every time and they all struggled to adapt to the club, the league or the weather and then get frustrated. We've had much more success with Southamerican players when they went to a smaller club or a different league first. I don't think we're desperate for a winger/forward talent either, so it would be odd to change that approach now.
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We have @fontaine who watches Brazilian league but he's totally biased. Now a talented Brazilian which he likes going to play to Germany, he might also be depressed.
 
vi1lain said:
Tbh, I think a lot of us just admire the level Bayern are at, dominating the domestic league, one of the best in Europe, but still constantly looking to improve.
And we know that since United need to improve in a lot of areas, when Bayern keep adding good players, it makes it that much harder to catch up.
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I think with Bayern is they don't fall to inadequacy they have a plan, a hierachy in the club.

At United so much power was afforded to SAF that as-soon as he steps back and you give a manager like Moyes ultimate power to say sack who you like and he changes everybody... it doesn't work then there's a hangover.

The fallout is still there from that decision, teams like Bayern and especially Spanish sides theres so much politics involved it's completely different, in some ways Manchester United hasn't changed since 1986 (the running of the club) and it does need to be brought up to speed a little bit.

It's great there's ambassadors like Schmeichel, but if you look at the "Legends" of Bayern on the board such as Rummenigge he understands the club from his playing days and understands the needs of the club.

I feel that's missing with United at times, with the changing of managers it needs to change in part. Note how all of this now is happening perhaps without Ancelottis full consent these players were already in negotiations months ago, deals aren't done overnight.

The succession plan is there with or without Pep or the next manager, with United it doesn't feel that way.
 
Crazy team!

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vi1lain said:
Tbh, I think a lot of us just admire the level Bayern are at, dominating the domestic league, one of the best in Europe, but still constantly looking to improve.
And we know that since United need to improve in a lot of areas, when Bayern keep adding good players, it makes it that much harder to catch up.
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I know that. Still, the reaction to rumours is just funny and a bit over the top :).
 
TheNewEra said:
I think with Bayern is they don't fall to inadequacy they have a plan, a hierachy in the club.

At United so much power was afforded to SAF that as-soon as he steps back and you give a manager like Moyes ultimate power to say sack who you like and he changes everybody... it doesn't work then there's a hangover.

The fallout is still there from that decision, teams like Bayern and especially Spanish sides theres so much politics involved it's completely different, in some ways Manchester United hasn't changed since 1986 (the running of the club) and it does need to be brought up to speed a little bit.

It's great there's ambassadors like Schmeichel, but if you look at the "Legends" of Bayern on the board such as Rummenigge he understands the club from his playing days and understands the needs of the club.

I feel that's missing with United at times, with the changing of managers it needs to change in part. Note how all of this now is happening perhaps without Ancelottis full consent these players were already in negotiations months ago, deals aren't done overnight.

The succession plan is there with or without Pep or the next manager, with United it doesn't feel that way.
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I'd agree with that, our club's structure is muddled and very outdated. We seem intent on holding onto the "traditional" ways, and without SAF that simply doesn't work. We need to modernise and quickly.

Someone like Mourinho coming in has the ability and bravado to take on a project like United and won't shy away from big decisions.
While Woodward does the behind the scenes projects such as improving the academy, scouting network, backroom staff, facilities etc.

We won't bear the fruits of that for a couple of years at least, but the signs are still positive especially in recent weeks.
 
Balu said:
:lol: So true. I don't even watch youtube highlights of new signings anymore, it's completely pointless.

Is there anyone on the Caf who regularly watches the Brazilian league and isn't totally biased? I'd love to know more about him now even though I highly doubt that we'll sign him. We've stopped signing young talents directly from Brazil for a reason. It's been a failure almost every time and they all struggled to adapt to the club, the league or the weather and then get frustrated. We've had much more success with Southamerican players when they went to a smaller club or a different league first. I don't think we're desperate for a winger/forward talent either, so it would be odd to change that approach now.
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Ever since Reschke joined Bayern, their approach seems to have changed a little. They look much more willing to invest in young talent from South America than before. Not sure if they'll take the risk of their first direct transfer from Campeonato Brasileiro Série A since Breno but policies can change depending on personell and players available, so I wouldn't rule it out.
Just looked at the squad to make sure... Bayern got 4 pure wingers in Robben, Ribery, Costa and Coman plus Müller and Götze who can play the role if need be. Assuming Götze is on is way out and considering Robben and Ribery combinded missed a stunning 110 games over the past 2 seasons, I'd say there's definitley room for a player like Gabriel Jesus who can play any attacking position and probably won't demand much game time anyway.
 
Sarni said:
I thought he was a striker. I certainly don't know much about him either aside from a few videos. Looks an exciting talent but who doesn't from 3-minute highlights.
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The other kid Bayern just bought for an outrageous amount.
 
SV_Planegg said:
Ever since Reschke joined Bayern, their approach seems to have changed a little. They look much more willing to invest in young talent from South America than before. Not sure if they'll take the risk of their first direct transfer from Campeonato Brasileiro Série A since Breno but policies can change depending on personell and players available, so I wouldn't rule it out.
Just looked at the squad to make sure... Bayern got 4 pure wingers in Robben, Ribery, Costa and Coman plus Müller and Götze who can play the role if need be. Assuming Götze is on is way out and considering Robben and Ribery combinded missed a stunning 110 games over the past 2 seasons, I'd say there's definitley room for a player like Gabriel Jesus who can play any attacking position and probably won't demand much game time anyway.
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Fair enough. If Reschke is really convinced we'd probably change that approach and Reschke was successful at Leverkusen with signings from Southamerica. I'm still worried that it would play out as it always did.
 
Fortitude said:
The other kid Bayern just bought for an outrageous amount.
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Well he's a midfielder, few of them impress in short bursts and you'd rather have him be the one to be consistently tidy during games rather than explosive.
 
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