Well I never... that's shocking news! Its over boys... he wants to stay
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Well he can’t so there
Ummmm we woulsnt agree a fee and quietly move on with no reports of us walking away or a brief. Given the situation, you can guarantee we'd brief so people were aware it was Barcas problem the deal broke down
But I thought he was sad and ronery ?
Thanks for lecturing me. Didn't feel condescending at all.
A) I provided you with an explanation of why actual names aren't really needed. But because you came across as nice as you did, there you go: McGinn, McNeil, Douglas Luiz, Caqueret, Bennacer, Fabian Ruiz, Florian Grillitsch, Gueye, Neves, Tielemans and many more. Again - if you are looking for the great superstar, than sure, your list of options is going to be shorter. My approach is looking at the needed qualities in midfield, checking their availabilities in the skill sets of available players in the club and then go and try to close the gaps on the transfer market.
B) If anybody uses a certain descriptive element in a sentence to construct some semi-hidden sly then theres no point in arguing with that person. Fyi - I am very aware that these two players have different qualities. And I favor Fred over McTominay too. Using McFred is only a way to save me from typing Fred and McTominay as these two are the most often played midfield in the last years. We know what they can offer, we know what they can't. Based on that we have continue trying to solve the puzzle to construct a working midfield.
Well I never... that's shocking news! Its over boys... he wants to stay
Stay where? Miami? Las Vegas?
I hope I'm wrong mate, but there doesn't seem to be much going on with FDJ. In fact, I'd say there have been more noises than before about him staying at Barca - even from Romero who was the muppet who broke the 90% story in the first place. I'd say it's 100% possible we've moved on and not briefed about it.
That's news to me.
I don't get all this "de jong's replacement" talk... we are getting Frenkie, why do we also need to find barca's replacement for him? we can add some of our scouts to the offer if necesary...
Maybe he loves the US so much he doesn't want to return to Europe. Perhaps he's planning for a move to the MLS
Man Utd isn't the type of club able to move on from such an expensive deal "quietly"
There would be too much information through the grapevine to keep under wraps.
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Sorry if you felt condescended to but I am sure being facetious in response made you feel better. I guess I was expecting some left field names based on your earlier response but the list you provided is pretty much the same group of names that has been discussed over in the alternatives to Frenkie thread so I am not sure why you think they are less fanciful, you will find plenty on here who agree with you. I certainly think Bennacer is an excellent option and Ruiz is intriguing too. I would definitely prefer to stay away from McGinn however because he is a despicable cnut who thinks trying to end a 16 year olds career in a pre season game is good fun.
Makes me wonder where they're getting these reports that he wants to stay as to my knowledge he's not said anything to anyone in public for weeks. Seems like they're seriously just recycling old reports to keep a story going whilst not much is changing
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. We signed Malacia and Donny pretty quietly.
So you think that with all the effort Murtogh and Arnold put into agreeing a deal with Barca, knowing what was standing in the way of it being completed, they'd now just pull the plug. Even after pretty much briefing the press about us being in it for the long haul we'd now just think... ah screw it, let's pack it in and go for Neves and Tielemans instead.
Keep the faith it'll be done. The only time we'll walk away is when ten Hag thinks it's over and we definitely won't get him
No it still hurts. Plus I am a bit irritated now: if you have alternatives to FDJ available, why would you ask me to give you a list then? Or were you under the impression, that I would come up with new names?
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United need to take back control and get Frenkie done
Magical levers of witchcraft and wizardry
The only time i want us to move on is when a player better than Frenkie becomes available, because they are better than Mct or Fred is not an argument and is what has landed us with a mish-mash of players with different styles.
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Yeah but neither were "elite level" players at the time (hopefully Malacia will turn out to be) and we already knew what the benchmark fee wise was with Malacia.
Nearly every top level name we sign is a drawn out saga to say the least.
I wonder if that's to drive the narrative that when he leaves he's the bad guy because he said he wants to stay, but when asked to take a pay cut he flat out refused, proving that money is more important than the club?
I know he could stay on his current contract if he desired, but I'm sure Barca would find a way to hound him out legally
They're nowhere near as high profile as de Jong which proves my point
Of course they were. The '84 game when we 2-0 down after the away leg was a huge deal because of their prestige. Diego feckin Maradona and Bernd Schuster ffs. It's one of my earliest memories.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/18/manchester-united-overturn-deficit-barcelona
Well you did say less fanciful names so I was expecting something from out of left field, maybe a versatile up and comer like Ethan Ampadu or a solid veteran with a relatively low price tag like Bryan Cristante. For what its worth I do think FDJ is still most likely to happen but I agree with you that we ought to have a couple of alternatives under consideration.
Utd fans identified ten hag, the club would have signed poch.
Thank you. That's why I said "only became much more relevant". Of course they were relevant before but no where near as much.
Anyone still think will happen?
Messi is the magic that elevated them. No messi they didn’t win half what they did.
Ok got it. To be honest, I didn't invest too much time digging on my own in search for players. I mean, it is sort of wasted effort as long as we don't really know the profile of player that we are actually looking for. Nor the actual budget we have and what kind of priority the midfield has for ETH in comparison to the other areas of interest.
For what it worth, would you be fine with "just" bringing FDJ in? Do you think, we should also go for some defensive prowess in midfield (be it, as you described it a up and come or a solid veteran, not necessarily with the claim for starting spot)
Let me be more precise about the question: I think, there aren't many United fans who would be actively against a defensive player - so my question is: would you consider not getting one a mistake or just a chance missed?
You got to respect the mental gymnastics Laporte is feeding their fans but it’s working.
Frenkie is being portrayed as some sort of hapless romantic whose being forced to move to Man Utd despite his love for Barcelona and once he moves, he’ll be the villain who moved because he wasn’t willing to take a pay cut.
Absolutely. Nothing at all to make me think differently at this minute in time
I don't know that ETH wants to play with a defensive midfielder in there. I think his ideal is to have the CBs stepping up and fuflilling that defensive role and relying on the ability of FDJ to play through the press. It does make me nervous but Frenkie clearly wants and prefers to play in the deepest role and so if you place a defensive player in front of him you lose some creativity in the middle of the park. I am guessing Erik is looking to play with either Fred or Eriksen in front of Frenkie with Bruno furthest forward and rely on ball retention to make the need for a true CDM obsolete.
Nope. Both Barca and Frenkie are fecking clowns who deserve each other.
These levers gonna hurt in the long run right?
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