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Barca are not as special as they seem to think. They only started to become much more relevant since Ronaldinho signed and then Pep came in. Can't wait for them to fall off into obscurity.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Barca are not as special as they seem to think. They only started to become much more relevant since Ronaldinho signed and then Pep came in. Can't wait for them to fall off into obscurity.
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They got very lucky with a class of academy players. It happens once every few generations.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Barca are not as special as they seem to think. They only started to become much more relevant since Ronaldinho signed and then Pep came in. Can't wait for them to fall off into obscurity.
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Ronaldo (the original one), rivaldo, figo and kluivert were there before ronaldinho, not to mention maradona, romario, cruyff before them.
 
Berbasbullet said:
So you're saying that players agreed to defer parts of their salary based on Barcas word?
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Yep it looks like that’s what’s happened. They didn’t just agree to defer wages by word. They signed a bloody contract so the payments they are owed over the past 2 years gets paid to them over the course of the next 4-5 years depending on their contract.
 
Need him urgently. Fred cannot play the de Jong role. You need someone immense under pressure for that, and he’s too unreliable.
 
Forlorn Frenkie… poor chap just needs 17m shoved in his bank account and all will be well again.
 
VidaRed said:
Ronaldo (the original one), rivaldo, figo and kluivert were there before ronaldinho, not to mention maradona, romario, cruyff before them.
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I mean they won the CL/EC for the first time in 1992 then not again until 2005, and from 1960 to 1990 they had only won the league 3 times. They were no where near as relevant for a long time so I don't understand why they seem to think they are this special club above every other fecker.
 
Not having an alternative to him is bonkers. We have nothing in midfield. Absolutely nothing apart from Fred (and maybe Eriksen but who knows where he will play).
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
I mean they won the CL/EC for the first time in 1992 then not again until 2005, and from 1960 to 1990 they had only won the league 3 times. They were no where near as relevant for a long time so I don't understand why they seem to think they are this special club above every other fecker.
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Try to make a Barcelona all-time xi without leaving someone too important or good out and you see!
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Barca are not as special as they seem to think. They only started to become much more relevant since Ronaldinho signed and then Pep came in. Can't wait for them to fall off into obscurity.



VidaRed said:
Ronaldo (the original one), rivaldo, figo and kluivert were there before ronaldinho, not to mention maradona, romario, cruyff before them.
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I think what he was trying to point out was they did nothing in Europe, as only one from that list won the CL while playing at Barca and that was Ronaldinho and the fat one (Ronaldo) ran out of there after one season to their rivals, Maradona ran to Italy after 2 seasons, so yes the "holy trinity" is right in saying they only became a thing from 06 and even as good (not as good as AC Milian 89 -early 90s) as Peps barca were, they never looked like doing a Real three in a row.
 
Aeryis said:
It's just weird, we're criticising Barcelona for selling parts of their club to private owners when we've sold 100% of our club to private owners; so has the rest of the league. So has almost all of Germany excluding Bayern and I think Dortmund with their 51%. Selling parts of the club to generate revenue is what everyone in the footballing world does.

Aren't we also in debt? Aren't we also forsaking our revenue to American billionaires, giving them over a billion pounds in 12 or so years?

It seems like a lot of you are misdirecting your frustrations here. We can't get De Jong (and probably won't), so you're focusing on criticising Barcelona's finances and predicting their downfall. "No way they can keep registering players! They'll have to sell when they just keep buying...? But they owe him wages! How?! How?!". As we've seen La Liga has some pretty strict rules in regards to their clubs' finances, all these operations wouldn't be possible without their go ahead. Barcelona can sign players. They're fine. They'll be fine a year from now, and 5 years from now.

Instead of all this pointless rambling regarding FFP and whining about Barcelona's finances, you should all direct your attention to Murtough, his cronies, the Glazers, and Erik ten Hag for all collectively deciding that the only central midfielder in Europe capable of substantially improving upon Mctominay and Fred is Frenkie De Jong. If we were a normally run club we would have moved on to other targets by now and our midfield would be significantly stronger. But no, De Jong is the be all and end all of holding midfielders.
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I agree on everything.

Enigma_87 said:
Barca are 450m clear in the debt ranking league compared to the second placed team - Juve. 1.35bln compared to United's 570m debt. It's almost three times bigger, but don't that get in the way of your calculations.

There is absolutely no difference if they are privately owned or not when the finances are in the mud. Is it relevant whose name is on top of that pile of crap?

They also needed to go and force their best players to take pay cuts in the last two years to comply with the league rules. On top of that they are waging on their future earnings in the next 25 years just to balance the books today!

They still have players on crazy wages that won't leave and most likely are no use to them. Additionally they are bringing players like Lewa who will have little resale value and are still on great wages.

Barca is banking on making it deep in Europe in the next couple of seasons or they are in serious trouble.

Saying they don't have money issues is batshit crazy.
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Is United's 570M debt net or gross?
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Barca are not as special as they seem to think. They only started to become much more relevant since Ronaldinho signed and then Pep came in. Can't wait for them to fall off into obscurity.
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They were quite clearly a famous an beloved club before that. I had a Barca shirt from the Romario and Stoichkov era when I was a kid… but they werent as successful, no. Which itself should actually help rubbish the weird claim that they need to be constantly competing for the League & CL in order to remain relevant. As they weren’t doing that even with the likes of Maradona & Fat Ronaldo playing for them.
 
Godfather said:
Not having an alternative to him is bonkers. We have nothing in midfield. Absolutely nothing apart from Fred (and maybe Eriksen but who knows where he will play).
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Makes it even weirder that some are happy to wait until deadline day for him.
 
I wish we just gave a hard deadline end of next week or something and stick to it then go for alternatives if he doesn’t sign. The ETH/Board looking like real amateurs here, our season is about to start and we don’t have the midfielders we needed for ages now.
 
PoTMS said:
Makes it even weirder that some are happy to wait until deadline day for him.
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Not really? When the alternatives are freaking Neves and Tielemans then getting Frenkie on deadline day will be a huge success.
 
Aeryis said:
It's just weird, we're criticising Barcelona for selling parts of their club to private owners when we've sold 100% of our club to private owners; so has the rest of the league. So has almost all of Germany excluding Bayern and I think Dortmund with their 51%. Selling parts of the club to generate revenue is what everyone in the footballing world does.

Aren't we also in debt? Aren't we also forsaking our revenue to American billionaires, giving them over a billion pounds in 12 or so years?

It seems like a lot of you are misdirecting your frustrations here. We can't get De Jong (and probably won't), so you're focusing on criticising Barcelona's finances and predicting their downfall. "No way they can keep registering players! They'll have to sell when they just keep buying...? But they owe him wages! How?! How?!". As we've seen La Liga has some pretty strict rules in regards to their clubs' finances, all these operations wouldn't be possible without their go ahead. Barcelona can sign players. They're fine. They'll be fine a year from now, and 5 years from now.

Instead of all this pointless rambling regarding FFP and whining about Barcelona's finances, you should all direct your attention to Murtough, his cronies, the Glazers, and Erik ten Hag for all collectively deciding that the only central midfielder in Europe capable of substantially improving upon Mctominay and Fred is Frenkie De Jong. If we were a normally run club we would have moved on to other targets by now and our midfield would be significantly stronger. But no, De Jong is the be all and end all of holding midfielders.
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I very much agree about the moaning at barca being misdirected. The only reason we are in with a chance of signing him is to do with barcas financial position anyway

Only thing I disagree with is that barca will be definitely be find. Selling of proportions of their future income is a risk
 
Berbasbullet said:
Not really? When the alternatives are freaking Neves and Tielemans then getting Frenkie on deadline day will be a huge success.
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The whole point is there is a f
good chance we won't get fdj. There are also other midfielders available other than tielemens or neves
 
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