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Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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I really want to see this pairing. I've been super impressed by how press resistant Iqbal is. Didn't look out of place against a full strength Pool midfield and that's saying something.
I still can't quite tell if he's a FdJ regen or a Modric regen. He does seem to have that De Jong like tendency to get away from people pressing him and playing a simple 5 yard pass. Don't think he has the vision that Modric possesses.
"Man, if someone told me id enjoy going to redcafe to see the meltdown day in day out.. frenkie you goat for that"
Harsh but true.
That made me chuckle too
Don't say that, @Scarlett Dracarys loves you
Im not falling for it again after last time! I gave her my love and she slaughtered me
To be fair, I'd drop to my knees a la Tim Robbins in Shawshank in the knowledge that McFred is no longer our starting midfield.
Would be such a huge signing, just need to be patient. I really wonder if Barcelona can register their signings with all the financial magic they have performed.
To be fair this is a pretty dense de Jong thread. You could even say it's a meaty de Jong thread.
In previous mega transfer threads we had massive culling of pages due to it disappearing into weird and wonderful splinter discussions.
Whereas as this is page after page of de Jong action, updating 24 hours a day.
It's just missing a dubious international TV station making outlandish "ITK" claims.
This could be our finest Muppet hour!
A part of me thinks that Barcelona can register all of their new players without selling Frenkie. The genius football expert part of me thinks that Frenkie has realised this summer that no matter how many levers they pull, no matter how many times they say they're more than a club, no matter how many weddings they host on their pitch, Catalan flags are waved from the stands and grandiose statements are made about them being the most special super duper footballing behemoth in the world, deep down they're nothing but a bunch of cnuts.
Frenkie will be a United player, and if I'm wrong then you can ban Elvis.
Frenkie will be a United player, and if I'm wrong then you can ban Elvis.
I think that's fair
I'm basing the CL club stuff on the fact that de Jong's agents reached out to both PSG and Chelsea in the past as reported by Rob Dawson. Sure, Chelsea's future is uncertain, but United's is even more so, unfortunately, given that we're revamping the whole club from top to bottom. Even then, Chelsea have some way to go as Brownie mentioned, but if the player's more open to joining them or PSG, then he is also likelier to reach a compromise with Barcelona over the deferred payments. There's no other reason for the Spanish/Catalan journalists to constantly report about de Jong's desire for a CL club otherwise.What the feck does CL club mean?
If it’s England and it aint City or Liverpool it means absolutely jack shit as proved by United finishing above Chelsea in 2 of the last 3 seasons and it’s probably a toss up as to who will finish above the other again this season.
Chelsea aren't keen on spending as much as we are. No other club is, really, which is why we were always the furthest ahead in the negotiations. Barcelona are also helped by the fact that we're not de Jong's main preference, so they can use that to get more money out of us.
On the coach part, that's exactly why we're not only still in this race but also, as of now, the likeliest club to get him (no matter what the naysayers say). I just think that, were a CL club to come in and really push for him, de Jong will be less willing to push Barcelona to make up for the deferred payments given that he'll go to a club that he prefers more than United.
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Just an Arsenal fan trolling.
I'm so confident that I'm willing to put others at risk.
What reason do the Madrid media and English media have to constantly bullshit those claims?
Of course there’s always a reason, clicks and banter. Clicks = money.
Of course there is, seems like the Catalan media especially really have it in for United. Look at what they've reported... They say constantly that de Jong has no desire to play for United or live in Manchester.
Seems like Sport has an absolute hatred for United at the moment, and it's no surprise that the guy that wrote the Relevo article the other day saying that Chelsea were hours away from making a bid and that de Jong has no desire personally or sporting wise to move to United, spent 9 years writing for Sport.
This.
Huh? If it were true that United is not De Jong's preference, this definitely would not help Barcelona. They are trying to move him and the sticking point is getting him to drop his insistence on getting paid the money he feels he's owed by Barca. Having FDJ absolutely desperate to come to United would certainly be preferable for them.
Have you even read the article?
If so you should have read the line "according the Spanish outlet Sport" and stopped reading at that very moment.
I wouldn't say he's a full-on clown but @Fridge chutney has spent the last couple of days trusting articles who use the same dodgy source and claiming that they're all unique reports so maybe he's a little bit of a clown
Realistically this will probably go to deadline day.
When Barcelona have no other option but to pay De Jong some money to leave and accept United's offer.
It's just a shame for us and De Jong that they can't get it done sooner. Barca are broke and desperate times call for desperate measures.
Can only see 2 possible catalysts for it happening, 1. Barca get more money for selling rights to something and 2. Deadline day and Barca have no other dirty tricks to pull besides cough up some amount of the money owed to De Jong.
What's interesting is if Barca legally don't owe De Jong a thing as it was his own decision to accept the deferred wages. That would be the only worry with this deal if Barca feel they can get away without paying De Jong a penny if he opts to leave.
When Barcelona have no other option but to pay De Jong some money to leave and accept United's offer.
It's just a shame for us and De Jong that they can't get it done sooner. Barca are broke and desperate times call for desperate measures.
Can only see 2 possible catalysts for it happening, 1. Barca get more money for selling rights to something and 2. Deadline day and Barca have no other dirty tricks to pull besides cough up some amount of the money owed to De Jong.
What's interesting is if Barca legally don't owe De Jong a thing as it was his own decision to accept the deferred wages. That would be the only worry with this deal if Barca feel they can get away without paying De Jong a penny if he opts to leave.
We know from these boards we’re a self loathing bunch, so negative news on United sells, especially with added “bantz” for fans of other clubs.
As for Catalan readers, I’m sure it’s great for their whataboutism to ignore how they have treated so many players like shit, haven’t won anything in a few years, watched their rivals win a league/CL double, all whilst they sell away their future for pay day loans.
Read about how shit United are, and what a mess that no Barcelona player would every truly consider unless marched their in handcuffs. Because everyone wants to play at the well run Barcelona. It’s like fecking Alex Jones level of whataboutism bullshit.
But yeah sure, no reason their media would keep putting out these stories.
I miss the days when he was spamming the Transfer Tweets thread about the transfer activity of Stevenage FC.
Now that there’s a dedicated thread that doesn’t pollute the main football forum and inconvenience followers of the top leagues, it’s interesting how the transfer activities of conference clubs have quietened down.
I don't think Sport hates us, I think it's possible they are actually being fed by the FDJ camp in an attempt to put pressure on Barca, like threatening to stay. Sport target audience is Spain, not us.
Frenkie playing 4d chess to get his money.
Frenkie's agents are most likely playing some games of their own and planting the Chelsea interest in the media in order to get some CL clubs interested. It makes no sense for Barca to do this as the fee is already agreed between the clubs.
EtH pull on Frenkie is very overrated imo. The player will do whats best for his career first and foremost.
EtH pull on Frenkie is very overrated imo. The player will do whats best for his career first and foremost.
Whether people want to accept it or not Chelsea are a bigger draw than United are right now.
Firstly they are far more likely to be in the Champions league year in year out they have even won it twice in recent times whereas we have barely figured any time we did qualify.
They have won more trophies in recent years they have won bigger trophies than we have managed since Fergie quit, they have a world class manager and a lot of money.
They are at the top end of football right now whereas we are hoping we have a manager that can finally get us back there
Last and not least they are in London which is always a plus for players and their families.
If de jong has a choice of Chelsea or us then the chances are he will opt for Chelsea.
This whole thing has dragged on for so long now i really hope we have alternative options as we will likely need them.
Firstly they are far more likely to be in the Champions league year in year out they have even won it twice in recent times whereas we have barely figured any time we did qualify.
They have won more trophies in recent years they have won bigger trophies than we have managed since Fergie quit, they have a world class manager and a lot of money.
They are at the top end of football right now whereas we are hoping we have a manager that can finally get us back there
Last and not least they are in London which is always a plus for players and their families.
If de jong has a choice of Chelsea or us then the chances are he will opt for Chelsea.
This whole thing has dragged on for so long now i really hope we have alternative options as we will likely need them.
Plenty of people hate living in big cities, and much prefer living in countryside, so stop chatting out of your arse on every single point with your self loathing.
United have finished higher than Chelsea in 2 of the last 3 seasons, with Roman at the helm. Who the feck will finish above the other this season is anyone’s guess, but I’d imagine de Jong trusts his ex boss to do it.
feck me, Chelsea finished last season on 74 points, absolutely miles off even challenging for the league. And now Romanless.
You don't actually believe this shit do you?
When Barca signs all those players and keeps de jong. Levers baby
Let me offer this disclaimer before I get started:
All of my conjecture is based on reliable reports and journalists. I'm ignoring the BS merchants from Sport and other terrible outlets. On that note, the reliable Catalan journalists/outlets have constantly highlighted Frenkie's preference to play in the CL, and even both Whittell (via Ducker's sources) and Luckhurst have both mentioned how ten Hag and United have had to convince de Jong and allay his concerns over joining us. If Frenkie indeed really wanted to join us, then I don't think we'd have to wait for him to sort out his deferred payments; I think he'd have hit a compromise with Barcelona by now (especially since we increased our base fee in the hopes of partially resolving that issue).
Barcelona's problem is that they had no competition for the player. They sent out feelers to other clubs (hence the links to City, PSG, and Chelsea), but whilst City ended the links soon via their journalists, both PSG and Chelsea have been quiet for the most part with Chelsea in particular only monitoring the situation according to Steinberg. The only way they could get more from us is to highlight that Frenkie wants to stay with them first and foremost and that a little bit of extra money would entice Barcelona to put more effort into convicing de Jong to join us.
Sport isn't getting much, if any, info. They have no reliable journalist on their end who's reporting on this. Pretty much anything that's not coming from Joaquim Piera is unreliable.
Yep, this living in London thing seems an awfully dated argument these days. Maybe 10 years ago but players these days are getting married and settling down younger and younger and hardly ever spend their nights out partying as it's a different era now
The UK is the UK, shit weather wherever you are so London or Manchester makes little difference
I'm sorry but I don't believe they have enough draw to beat us to Frenkie after all the work we've put into this deal.
The Ten Hag factor(who's also a top manager but you won't say this) as well as having the project being built around HIM with promising prospects will give us a big advantage over everything else you're saying other things like CL football and trophies will come in a short time and he'll TRUST the one man who got the best outta him to do so. At Chelsea he'll be another piece of cog alongside Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho, Gallagher amongst others and all 4 are very senior players at Chelsea and while they're ahead in their project they're not MUCH further ahead. A couple of people in Spain have said he'd prefer us over them too
The only clubs that would instantly beat us to FDJ no questions are City, Liverpool, PSG and Bayern none of whom will buy him
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The only thing making Chelsea more attractive than United at this time is the CL. That's it. Otherwise, Frenkie would have just said no to Ten Hag outright.
I’m sure at least 50% of the forum would pick a Cheshire mansion on a lake over living in London, yet some would have you believe all footballers are special people who just fecking love living in massive cities.
Not true:
“Barcelona owes De Jong roughly 17 million dollars in deferred salary and bonuses due to the Covid pandemic”
That was sports illustrated. Financial times and other sources say pretty much the same thing.
And since we know Barca was doing this.. and that De Jong is NOT the only player they owe back pay to …. I do t see any reason to doubt it.
When you are negotiating a transfer you don’t ask for what would have been your future earnings from the club you’re leaving up front. That would be ridiculous.
I get that Barca people are desperate for the team not to be seen as the bad guys. But they are.
Jordi Cruyff literally said people should be willing to lose money for Barca…. The level of tone def arrogance and entitlement is just …. Unreal.
I’m sure at least 50% of the forum would pick a Cheshire mansion on a lake over living in London, yet some would have you believe all footballers are special people who just fecking love living in massive cities.
They don't live in London, they live in a mansion in the suburbs in and around Surrey which isn't dissimilar to the likes of Alderley Edge. Hence why the likes of Chelsea's training ground is in Cobham.
But in all honesty in terms of 'things going on' I'd much rather live in a city than in the country in Cheshire. More stuff to see and do and more for their families too.
Next summer is when Chelsea will put all their focus on midfield signings with Rice a player they've desperately wanted for 2yrs likely to be available
I'll be gobsmacked if they spend €85m on a midfielder now unless Kante or Jorginho leave
I'll be gobsmacked if they spend €85m on a midfielder now unless Kante or Jorginho leave
Aye, London or Cheshire is give or take. Some will prefer the leafy life, some a big city.
A fluked CL a couple of years back in a season they fired their manager for being so wank means little when making a decision today for the next 4-5 years.
The manager - clearly United have an advantage here.
CL next season - Chelsea have an advantage here.
Money - equal
Chances of doing better in league - past 4 years says, feck knows.
He’d be a bigger star at United of course, because well, it’s United, but that also means little in the grand scheme of things.
The rest is just noise and self loathing drivel.
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