Lot of detail behind ETH and the club's thinking in the background for everyone questioning not walking away and if we even know if he'd actually join or not
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Lot of detail behind ETH and the club's thinking in the background for everyone questioning not walking away and if we even know if he'd actually join or not
I think leaving and backdated wages have become two different things they way new contract they structured.
Barca negotiated with united and came to an agreement. They never would have entertained united if they didn't want to sell. This is the fact. So Barca don't want frenkie, and frenkie (reluctantly albeit) wants to leave.
Imagine Barca legally have to pay backdated wages to frenkie. Then there won't be any issue at all. Trasnfer fee with united is settled. They also have money as we all see they are buying players left and right, they can pay and settle the matter. They can't refuse the money they legally owe, period.
Barca is not paying backdated wages to frenkie because simply they don't legally owe to him as per (loophole in) the new contract. And that's where the stalemate is. Frenkie now in jam. If he accept the transfer then he is losing millions. So he is playing hardball by not leaving. Barca can't legally kick him out. If they terminate the contract they will have to legally pay the whole contract amount.
The only ways to break the stalemate is 1) frenkie accept he is screwed and let go millions. Or 2) Barca pay money is good faith, which they offered i guess 3.5m. obviously not enough. Or 3) Frenkie stays in that case Barca in jam by paying huge wages to unwanted player, thus losing a lever on salary cap issue they have.
We just have to wait and see.
This. He kind of reminds me of Chris Winterburn when he used to work for the Mirror.
So he's as confident as he can be.
He's obviously been told that de Jong wants to come but the wages are most definitely an issue. I do think someone is going to blink soon and my guess is it's going to be Barca.
Once someone does blink, i imagine this will be wrapped up very very quickly
I still can not see the point in signing a player, who clearly rather wants to stay at his club. Barcelona can not make him leave - he has a contract. It is not De Jong`s problem if Barcelona has to find an other way to finance the new players coming to their club.
Lewandowski's agent is getting 20m for his move to Barcelona. While they are telling Dursan "no money for you". It's a staring contest on who will blink first.
Or mazz for short
Back the manager and get him. Anything else now will be an embarrassing failure.
I think this is spot on. It makes sense as well. The conclusion that it's a gamble is also true, but FdJ is an opportunity that you should take a gamble on. When you're a non CL team it's hard to land a player of that quality. Especially for a decent fee.
Nevertheless it is a gamble to keep waiting. If stuff don't get resolved, FdJ might end up staying and United without a midfielder / having to change strategy in the end of the window. But obviously EtH is willing to take that risk. There's probably some kind of deadline in place from Uniteds perspective anyway.
It's going to be interesting going forward, but i do believe it's going to be sorted quickly as the atmosphere could get quite toxic if things are left to go on too long.
Barca obviously don't want to pay up, but as you say they're making it very very clear that they don't want him anymore by entering into negotiations and agreeing a fee with United. Thats the clearest sign Frenkie can get that he's not wanted. The fact that he's saying he wants to stay is clear down to getting as much of his payment as he can. He's no intention of reducing his wages even more than they already are, so thats out of the question. I don't think he'd stay and single handidly ruin the club he says he loves by making them honour his massive contract, so that leaves Barca and de Jong to reach some happy medium, which is what i think is happening.
Barca offered €3m or so, and it was refused, so they have to go back, work on it a bit and go in with another offer. Eventually they'll get one that FdJ and his team like, and from there things will likely progress. It's in everyones best interests to get it done ASAP though
While you're mostly correct from a legal standpoint, it doesn't make a huge difference in reality. I don't really know how it works in spain but in France De Jong could technically give up part of the debt he's owed for deffered salaries (but Barcelona would still have to pay various employment taxes because you give up net debts). Nobody does that though, I've only seen it in cases when an employee is also the majority shareholder of a company that could not afford said salaries.
In practice, it's all negotiations so it'll all come down to what FdJ is willing to accept.
Bates' 1st tweet is irrelevant if we're talking about a restructered contract so he either is making that up or it really is deffered compensation.
Goldbridge is remarkably confident tonight. Claiming that he’s heard from 4 separate people that it will get done.
Makes a change from the Chernobyl FM he’s been running recently.
Makes a change from the Chernobyl FM he’s been running recently.
Not strictly true FDJ signed a contract for a rumoured €18M per season then during Covid Barcelona agreed with some of their players to take a deferred, not reduced salary, in other words Barcelona rumoured to agree to pay FDJ €6m in 20/21 season and €9m in season 21/22 therefore deferring €12m and €9m from thise two seasons which is €21m or £17m owed to the player, now their argument is if the player leaves, they are not legally bound to make these deferred payments because he is not fulfilling his contract, his argument is I agreed an original contract of €18m for three seasons snd you have not paid me€54M but €33M. This is a legal nightmare because no one truly knows apart from FDJ and Barcelona Legal department what is in the T and C’s of this Amended contract or if it was only a verbal agreement which I highly doubt.
Both parties are being very precise with the rhetoric used when quoting to the media. Personally I think we could put this one on hold to next season and use the £75m towards Antony and Tielemans plus some sales of another £20M. It’s not FDJ fault that Barcelona have mortgaged the clubs tv rights to get a cash injection to reinvest in the club and see his wages as untenable. They will say simply how can you expect to be paid more than Robert Lewandowski who is widely recognised as the best number 9 in world football.
Eventually they either agree to pay his back payments or he begrudgingly accepts a significant pay cut of 50% and agrees to 50% of what is owed in deferred payments to stay at the club. Which ever way you look at it, we must have know all this when we started to embark in June on trying to sign him.
He said the same ting on Sancho once , so take it with a pinch of salt
I take everything with a pinch of salt
Goldbridge and Flewers. This place is desperate tonight
Thanks. Touch wood so far its been pretty mild.
It does make a difference in reality, in one case the money is already owed to De Jong and in the other the money isn't owed until he has actually finished his contract. It also makes a difference in the way you deal with it from the POV of leaving not leaving, if the money is owed a transfer won't change it, if the money is to be earned then a transfer changes everything because transfers require a mutual contract termination which is where the negotiation can come into play, De Jong is in a position where he can tell Barcelona that he won't agree on a termination unless they pay him what they owe him in spirit.
I’m not suggesting he’s any kind of source just observation
If his agent agreed to that he’s a complete idiot. It’s as if he never considered the possibility of Frenkie changing clubs.
How do you know that hasn’t happened?
More like who's arse winks first.
If that's the case, that's not a deferred wage. Can't see why FdJ agreed to that reduced on wage, with extended contract. And I presume on this extended contract, he's on the same wage as when he initially signed for Barca also.
As much as we know that he actually wants to move to United.
From what it sounds like, he’s accepted a move away and is speaking to Ten Hag on almost a daily basis. The issues still is the unpaid wages which Barcelona are saying that’s United issue. If he was to go public with any of that ‘I’m leaving’ stuff Barcelona will publicly say they’re not paying players that don’t want to honour their contracts and make it super difficult for him to ever see that money.
You’re in the mud son
The narrative is slowly shifting! Hopefully the knee-jerk reactions will diminish, but not holding my breath.
This is such an interesting transfer if you can set emotions aside.
Believe the fan fiction if you want
I'm going to wait for credible spanish journalistsI think the registration deadline for La Liga is the big deadline. They’re not going to start a new season with Kessie, Christensen, Alonso, Apuliceuza and Lewandovski all illegible to play in the league. Something has to happen before that.
From what I understand the total package is similar but the structure is different. He was supposed to earn 14m but earned around 9m, this season he is supposed to earn 18m and next season 27m. From what I understand they structured future increases as loyalty bonuses.
Now if you do the math, (27+18)-(14+14)= 17
It could be coincidental and I'm missing something.
I'd get your cholesterol checked if I were you.
EtH has shown (on a very limited time) that his advice is worth all these efforts. All of us can see of why FdJ is a key signing for him. Unfortunately, Barca can see that, too.
Believe the fan fiction if you want
Si Señor
Increasingly of the belief that this isn't happening. Or, if it is happening it'll be one of the deadline day things.
De Jong doesn't want to leave Barcelona. He's willing to do so if pushed out. However, only if the wages he feels he's owed are paid to him. Otherwise he's content to hang around.
Barcelona is clearly waiting for United to settle the issue by giving De Jong a big sweetener in his contract, to offset what he's owed. United are, at present, refusing to do so. We may cave, ultimately, but I wouldn't be shocked if nothing happens by September and this all gets picked up again in January.
De Jong doesn't want to leave Barcelona. He's willing to do so if pushed out. However, only if the wages he feels he's owed are paid to him. Otherwise he's content to hang around.
Barcelona is clearly waiting for United to settle the issue by giving De Jong a big sweetener in his contract, to offset what he's owed. United are, at present, refusing to do so. We may cave, ultimately, but I wouldn't be shocked if nothing happens by September and this all gets picked up again in January.
S bates doesnt know that detail of information, hes very unreliable
In both cases De Jong has a contract and Barcelona needs his agreement to terminate it, otherwise they need to pay him in full. Again, I don't know how employement law works in spain but in many countries I do know, everything would be on the table during termination negociations, including giving up money that he's owed. Sure it would change a bit the negociation but it wouldn't make a huge difference. Either De Jong is happy with what he gets and he leaves, or he's not and he stays.
If he was supposed to earn 14m but earned 9m, the "deferred" should be around (5+5) = 10m only.
I thought that 17m is for: the 2 yrs "deferred" wage + bonus because he agreed to lower his wage in the last 2 years. The 'deferred" wage is easy to calculate (and pursue), but the bonus "might" tie to how long he stays with Barca. Thus the bonus is much harder to quantify.
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He has broken a few stories in the past but yeah, he's not reliable.
However, the club have constantly briefed that he wants to come.
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