If this doesn't happen and De Jong stays without even taking a wage cut would it be a bigger transfer-related mishap than anything Woodward did?
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Do people truly think that we wouldn't find out whether a player wants to come before we bid for them? Do you truly think ten Hag said i wan't de Jong, and i don't care if he doesn't want to come, you're going to bid for him regardless.
No.. i'm fairly certain we'd have talked with his agent, who would have talked to de Jong and then if he'd have said no, it wouldn't have gone any further. There would be absolutely no point. We know Barca need the money, and we could offer them 500 million for de Jong, they could accept, but if he doesn't want to come it'd be pointless.
The stories about him not wanting to come are, as others have suggested, likely due to the fact he's owed an extreme amount of money, which he'd want. Of course we can't be certain of this, but it makes reasonable sense in all fairness.
Free agents are different, we can just offer them a contract and it's upto them, but we'd still have SOME idea if they want to come.
Literally the same article points out that he was played in an advanced AM role which is not really his best position. They keep playing Busquets over his favoured DM role, of course he isn't going to shine.
Move on from this and don’t bother signing a midfielder.
Reason being I think Frenkie stays, isn’t played and is basically rotting on the bench. Xavi doesn’t have him in his plans and they are going nuts over some young Spanish kid they are grooming to be the next Busquets and he’ll only play a bit part role.
Then in Jan we go for him, reminds me of Bruno saga more than anything.
Reason being I think Frenkie stays, isn’t played and is basically rotting on the bench. Xavi doesn’t have him in his plans and they are going nuts over some young Spanish kid they are grooming to be the next Busquets and he’ll only play a bit part role.
Then in Jan we go for him, reminds me of Bruno saga more than anything.
Why? He doesn't want to come and ETH has apparently insisted on trying. I'm not going to criticise him for trying, but it's looking very likely now that this won't happen and it is time to look at other options. Vitinha would have been good but he's been signed.
If we continue with this and still don't get him then serious questions just be asked.
You'd have to hope that the media are just publishing any old bollocks.
Otherwise a few people are starting to look like mugs.
Otherwise a few people are starting to look like mugs.
Worst suggestion ever. It's now it never if he's not convinced by us. Sign somebody that wants to play, this notion that only FDJ will work is crap. No other top team has him apart from Barca and they've got on fine. In fact, they don't even want him! It's just ridiculous.
Judging by how a lot of the posters on here think management works, and what people should do in regards to contracts. Not many.how many jobs have you had in your life?
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No. At least Bruno wanted to join us. Even Sancho wanted to join us despite Dortmund's ridiculous price tag.
If FDJ came here he'd be a cast off and we'd be a consolation prize after his "dream" not being fulfilled shouldn't take Barca being extreme cnuts to realize he has to leave that shithole. I'd rather we went for someone who sees us as a step up than a step down or somewhere to "settle"
Right now there doesn't seem to be anything massively reliable coming out about it. Sport are the Spanish equivalent of The Sun and Duncan Castles is very hit and miss when Mendes clients aren't involved.
People keep saying this as if it’s outlandish but it looks like it’s really happened. I think we have backed ourselves to convince him to be fair but it doesn’t look like he wants to leave Barca, just like the player himself has said
You would hope. Mortough looking inept by the day though. Let’s give him until the end of the window.
It's over. Just move on. Pay what they want and move on. I'm getting Di Maria vibes with this. It's just like Fabregas again. He doesn't want to join us. Mes Que un Club indeed. Sport are a shite source. Shades of Thiago.
Close the thread for the evening boys and girls. I've covered it all, I think.
Close the thread for the evening boys and girls. I've covered it all, I think.
Yea that's what it's starting to resemble for me too moreso than Thiago/Sneijder
If he isn’t playing in his own role then where are the performances to suggest he’s one of the best midfielders on the planet?
and that would be the dumbest and most childish sh*t any manager has done in a long while.
If he really doesn't want to join am questioning his attitude. Mindboggling.
Thats the thing, people think we'd just stay and try to convince him if he's said he wants to stay and has no intention of joining.
We're stupid, yes, but not that stupid. We moved on sharpish from Timber when he said he wasn't coming. When we were in for Dybala, and it became clear that he didn't want to come (regardless of the reasons why) we moved on quick and Tottenham tried their luck. We've briefed we've moved on from many targets in the past. ETH's main target or not, if he knew he wasn't going to get him, we'd move on.
If at any point, this deal looked like it was never going to happen, a brief would be incoming or it'd slip that we were moving on to others, like Neves
This is like orbiting a girl who's already said no.
But we didn’t have a manager who is seemingly obsessed with either of those targets though.
As you’ve pointed out we have moved away from targets before, even Sancho was left alone quick enough after Dortmunds deadline. This must point to Ten Hag not being able to move on since he is the new factor in all of this. Maybe because he managed him before he still has a sense of this authority figure relationship so he still thinks he can get De Jong to do what he asks him to but it’s clearly not working. It’s not as if he tried to argue back against Van Gaal over Timber, he quickly moved on to Martinez. He just can’t seem to let De Jong go and it’s worrying at this stage.
Plus you get stories saying that it'd be "a step down", "United lack this, or that", "The weather in Manchester in bad etc etc".
Lets be honest, these papers are looking for reasons as to WHY hes said he wants to stay. He's told the media he wants to stay, that Barca are his dream club, but aside from that, nothing. Papers are trying to justify his reasons without him actually saying why he wouldn't move to Manchester in their eyes, and providing their reasons as to why he wants to stay (Xavi's project etc).
He's hardly going to come out and say i'm staying because i'm on a fat contract and i want whats owing to me is he? He knows he won't be on that contract if he stays, but he'd definitely want his deferred pay for sure.
Seriously though, think about it. We've been chasing this guy for 2 months. The delay is documented to be down to Barca owing de Jong €17m. As others have speculated, he HAS to say he wants to stay as Barca could say "well you want to leave, we're not paying you this or that as it was a loyalty bonus" etc. Seems stupid to me that we'd have no assurances from de Jong or his agent that he's happy to come. We just signed Malacia who has the same agent as de Jong, do you not think that if there was no prospect of de Jong coming, his agent would have told us so when he came to Carrington??
Just makes no sense to me at all, and seems like everyone is taking things at face value without looking at the deeper picture
Lets be honest, these papers are looking for reasons as to WHY hes said he wants to stay. He's told the media he wants to stay, that Barca are his dream club, but aside from that, nothing. Papers are trying to justify his reasons without him actually saying why he wouldn't move to Manchester in their eyes, and providing their reasons as to why he wants to stay (Xavi's project etc).
He's hardly going to come out and say i'm staying because i'm on a fat contract and i want whats owing to me is he? He knows he won't be on that contract if he stays, but he'd definitely want his deferred pay for sure.
I'm not doubting that he might just be obsessed, but if thats the case, then it paints him in a really bad light and would raise questions about future transfers.
Seriously though, think about it. We've been chasing this guy for 2 months. The delay is documented to be down to Barca owing de Jong €17m. As others have speculated, he HAS to say he wants to stay as Barca could say "well you want to leave, we're not paying you this or that as it was a loyalty bonus" etc. Seems stupid to me that we'd have no assurances from de Jong or his agent that he's happy to come. We just signed Malacia who has the same agent as de Jong, do you not think that if there was no prospect of de Jong coming, his agent would have told us so when he came to Carrington??
Just makes no sense to me at all, and seems like everyone is taking things at face value without looking at the deeper picture
I think it would send a strong message if we pulled out of this transfer. We need to show clubs that we can't be taken for a ride anymore. If it means signing an inferior player like Neves or Tielemens instead so be it, still better than McFred.
We should have moved on from this ages ago. At this point I'm not even sure if i'd be happy or sad if he comes.
For his country. He pulls the strings there and was instrumental in the 4-1 destruction of Belgium.
I hope you're drunk otherwise this is monumentally stupid.
Don’t let these BS Spanish reports get to you fellow muppets. Barca trying to get every last drop of money out of us on this deal. Stay strong muppets!!
Poch is available as well.
Why would it?
The delay is supposedly between Barca and de Jong as to the deferred wages that he's owed. Because theres no movement yet, and United don't walk away, it's assumed that de Jong is dead against coming, doesn't want to move to Manchester, thinks were "unlucky" etc. All specualtion put out by papers. Hell, they're saying he'd rather go to Chelsea, a day after, or is it 6 or 7 hours after saying he's very very very hesitent or no intention of going to Chelsea. They'd actually have to bid for him first, if they have any intention of doing so. It's just a mess, and because theres no solid information out there, people are assuming and putting out opinion pieces or crap that Barca want them to say in hopes of forcing United to cough up more money to cover his deferred wages.
Jesus
feck that, that ship sailed when we passed him up for Ole
I think, a plausible explanation for all this is that FDJ's stance is that he wants to stay at Barca but doesn't want to take paycut. His agent told him, that is going to be difficult, United could be an option as wages wouldn't be an issue there plus they could potentially mitigate what Barca owes him. Don't think this is so unlikely - and it is possible, that FDJ communicated to us, that he is interested in a move while he tries to execute his favourite solution - staying and keep getting paid.
The good old "not the right position" narrative - come on, you're better than that.
Yeah fair play to Erik he gave it everything to try and persuade him but ultimately wasn't enough, time to move on we may as well try and sign two players for the pivot
What are the odds he gets sold to another club and announces that when he heard they were interested "he just couldn't say no"?
Thats very possible, but by all accounts he's not going to take a pay cut again, and will flat out refuse it. He'll want to remain on his current contract, and Barca won't allow it. They CAN'T allow it. Him staying is holding up their other transfers i'd imagine. Look at Raphinha, it was very very very close about 3 days, now it's gone dead, to the point where his agents are close to ending talks i read before. They can't afford anything until he's gone, or until he forgoes his deferred pay and takes a huge pay cut, both of which won't happen.I think, a plausible explanation for all this is that FDJ's stance is that he wants to stay at Barca but doesn't want to take paycut. His agent told him, that is going to be difficult, United could be an option as wages wouldn't be an issue there plus they could potentially mitigate what Barca owes him. Don't think this is so unlikely - and it is possible, that FDJ communicated to us, that he is interested in a move while he tries to execute his favourite solution - staying and keep getting paid.
The good old "not the right position" narrative - come on, you're better than that.
The best he can hope for is being payed whats owed to some degree and being sold id imagine
Should focus on signing one AND an actual DM to play alongside them as well
It's also the opinion of many barca fans as well... if he was truly poor then they'd want him out the door, especially with Kessie coming in.The good old "not the right position" narrative - come on, you're better than that.
No get rid of 10Harg for Poch. Serious move that.
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