Perhaps our dithering has made him Cranky de Jong.
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Perhaps our dithering has made him Cranky de Jong.
What's more likely is De Jong will be sold at a small loss to a CL club in a year or two if things don't work out. I doubt he'll be hanging around on a big wage.
Because Priority≠Only Option(which is what you're making it out to be) circumstances change anytime which is again where Utd come in if/when it's clear him and Barca have to part ways
Of course there is a risk it could be Di Maria 2.0 but it's still a rare opportunity to sign a world class CM in his prime that also happens to the manager's top target. Signing him first of all goes a long way in showing we're willing to back the manager with HIS players not the club's choices and Ronaldo wasn't Ole's choice for that matter. Getting another player may suit the narrative of signings but if he doesn't fit the system people will again moan about managers not getting top targets.
Tonnes of players like Robben, Alexis(Barca), Cesc, Sneijder, Pedro, Ozil etc didn't want to leave Barca or Madrid but still thrived at their new clubs after embracing new environments. At least in FDJ's case we have the best manager he's ever worked with and if he helps us improve overall as a team he'll be happy here either way even if Barca was his dream
It's getting depressing, where's my Frenkie de Bong ?
Imagine a team with Jong, Shane Long, Chong, Alex Song
Exactly it would be easier to accept if you were joining a team that will challenge and win major trophies. United are a massive club and if your only option, you will go, but leaving for a team that look many years from being a CL or PL winner seems a bit disheartening to be honest, especially as the weather/area might not be to his fancy either.
Money and ETH relationship will soften the blow of course but yeah we may get to a stage where he can’t be sold even if unhappy and will eventually be loaned/leave on a free etc like Pogba.
Chelsea is monitoring the situation and I am sure they would like to Gazump if they get the chance.
Money can be withdrawn for Glazers every year. But financing a new manager's most important purchase is a problem. One can well understand that someone accuses United of lacking ambition.
Agreement is close. Personal terms yet to be agreed. Player wants Barca stay. The player still on holiday. United calm.
As opposed to staying at a team that is facing financial ruin and need to take absolute drastic action soon to sort stuff out... but still seem to want to cut everyones wages so they can sign other players on huge contracts?
Is it confirmed that he's due at Barca training today?
You forgot about FrimpongImagine a team with Jong, Shane Long, Chong, Alex Song
How long can this go on. Fee Agreed and then nothing happens. Weird transfer this. Have always had a bad feeling about this one.
Wouldn't be the first manager to do this would he? You're attempting to portray it as exclusive to ETH. It's not.
Moyes chased Cesc all summer, hell Pep has countless instances chasing players... he chased Maguire and didn't get him.
It's just a bad, bad feckin move.
If folks took a step back, looked at the bigger picture and just said OK, I'll put blind tribalism aside and do my best to be honest here and judge the transfer saga fairly and weigh up the statements being put out for consumption to the supporters, it's a bad move.
Mate, Barca's president is at a point this weekend where he is telling the player to make his feckin mind up. He's been blunt and told FDJ to accept the pay cut or sod off. If anything it actually seems like he is attempting to force Barca's had to pay him so he can stay or.. possibly considering taking the pay cut!
Does that sound like a player chomping at the bit to join our club?
Look how quickly we can do a deal with Malacia and we've Martinez telling Ajax to lower their price as he wants to consider offers from Arsenal and ourselves.
Meanwhile I'm mocked for suggesting a player will never tell his current club he wants out... give your heads a wobble lads.
This is you personally caught up in the emotion of the transfer, you want it to happen so freaking badly and buy into a new world of ETH and rebuilds etc that you aren't thinking clearly. That's my honest opinion.
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I think his holiday is going to last until the World Cup at this rate.
To be fair Barca have to make drastic changes to clean up the mess left by Bartomeu. They obviously aren't going to dissolve as a club but they are in some serious shit.
He’s not gonna be happy when he turns up and his locker has apparently been emptied out
For all your negative scenarios to happened, it hinges on the situation where de Jong has to accept salary reduction. A situation that from what we know he refused to enter.
He'll not going to drag this out as long as he can. Once United and Barca agrees on the structural payment, which they're currently still negotiating, he'll come to us.
He can either refused to come to United and risk to get benched all season by Xavi (in a World Cup year no less),
or he can choose to come to United where he'll get a chance to show what he can do in his natural position, coached by the person who knows him well and most likely show the world that he's one of the best midfielder in the world.
I'll believe it when I see.
I doubt they want the drama and they need a CF not FDJ. I reckon they'll consider Neymar, but who knows.
To me it is obvious this deal has collapsed and with this being our top target (and dedicating so much time on this) then this has pushed Ronaldo to lose his s**t and cry that he wants out. It does seem we have put all our energy into chasing this transfer and now it is clear de Jong's preference is not to join us then we are somewhat lost on the plans for the coming season. The trouble is this mess of a transfer window has now had the knock on effect of creating further division amongst those already on the books and from going from nothing but Ronaldo upfront we now have nothing but forcing a unwilling Ronaldo to continue.
Why is it we are just so poor and transfer recruitment and everything we do seems to take so much time to try to resolve whilst others (City and Liverpool especially) are just so much more professional and proactive?
Why is it we are just so poor and transfer recruitment and everything we do seems to take so much time to try to resolve whilst others (City and Liverpool especially) are just so much more professional and proactive?
barca reports that Dembele is staying after accepting a 40% pay cut. So FDJ looking at 40%+?
Reminds me of Moyes' infamous holiday in 2013.
I've just explained it above, Laporta has had to be publicly blunt with him and tell FDJ that he takes the pay cut or sods off. The fact its dragging out 2 months now suggests FDJ is quite happy to stay put either forcing Barca's hand into payment (make cuts elsewhere) or considering actually taking a huge pay cut.
Malacia jumped at the chance of signing with us, done and dusted in 3-4 days, Martinez telling Ajax to listen to our offer and consider lowering their asking price.
Wasn't song originally Song-Bilong?You forgot about Frimpong
No pal, this is me having seen so many of these transfers to know that what you hear in the media isn't always whats being told behind the scenes.
Yes Laporta is saying take a paycut or sod off, and yes they will offer him a paycut, but it's widely reported that Barca want him out and they'll likely offer him a proposal that they know he won't take. They're going to force him out one way or another as they have players in his position that they feel are better suited to their plans. The simple fact is, you nor I, have any idea whats going on behind the scenes. We don't know what de Jong has told Ten Hag. We don't know what Barca have told de Jong. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Simple. I'm just under no illusions that what we hear in the media is the absolute truth, because it's clearly not
Get Sebastien Bassong in at the back.Imagine a team with Jong, Shane Long, Chong, Alex Song
They don't want you, Frenkie.
Or he’d be more open to moving to a team like Bayern, City, Liverpool or even Chelsea if that option becomes viable.
I don’t care how fecked Barcelona are they will still make the CL, still be relevant in a league title challenge and still be one of the biggest clubs on the planet (like us). Leaving one shit show for another might not be high on his list of things to do.
So I could fully understand if he explores every possible chance of staying at Barca, a club and City he loves, however slim they may be.
Apparently the max they can cut his wages, according to what i've read on here (with sources from the posters) is 50%, and apparently even that wouldn't be enough so he'd have to forego some of his deferred payments too.
As i say, Barca know he won't accept that, so it's their way of forcing him out in my opinion
Absolutely. Because at the end of the day, either of us could be right, we'll never know because we dont have the info that both clubs have
I'd be utterly amazed if Dembele, who's been looking for a better contract, accepts that.
At least they can make a pay cut and still keep their players, imagine us giving our best players a pay cut, they would be gone in a flash. we had to give Bruno a pay rise even though he was shit.
Plus Gaetan Bong, Dong Fanghzou..Imagine a team with Jong, Shane Long, Chong, Alex Song
Don't forget....Imagine a team with Jong, Shane Long, Chong, Alex Song
Dong Fangzhuo. He was our first East Asian player and only got 1 game. He is 37 now. Maybe we should bring him back. He retired at 29 so I'm sure he feels fresh!
imagine taking a 40-50% pay cut because your employer has a gambling debt and they are trying to whore you out to the largest bidder. Pride alone should be enough to take your talent elsewhere
We really haven’t learned any lessons have we. We should’ve walked away from this weeks ago and gone after someone who actually wants to come.
Which, by all acounts, won't happen as none of them clubs are interested.
Again, if we're going by reports no other club aside from United are in negotiations with Barca. Chelsea have rumoured to be interested, but that could easily be something said by Barca to speed up Uniteds negotiations. I don't know as i've not really read much into it or where the rumour started
Most these lads are still earning 10-12m even with 40-50% cut.
Hardly on the breadline.
Reality is they've just been astronomically overpaid in recent years.
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