Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Probably missing something here …..puzzled as to how Barca can legally cut De Jong’s wages when he has a contract?

Well they can’t.

They can ask him to, or ask he leave.

De Jong can do as he pleases, if he wants to stay and demand his contracted wages, they’ll just have to pay up, and that will seriously feck them over.
Appears they have a little hope that emotional blackmail might get players to play for a shit tonne less than their contracted wages and a shit load less than they’d get elsewhere. Oh, and then they’ll use those savings on your wages to fund the likes of Lewa.
It’s more than a bit gross and also why I’m sure FDJ will tell them to go feck themselves and why negotiations with United are so advanced.

 

[FreakyJim]

This one is in the bag.

The garbage bag.

 

[RedPed]

I know loads of people are saying just leave this one .. but we can’t. This is ten hags number one target. The guy he wants to build his entire squad around, anyone else wouldn’t be as good. ETH knows this player extremely well and is pretty much in love with him as a footballer.

Get him at all costs, we have to get the best available in every position, liverpool and City have that, it’s so important to our entire rebuild and becoming competitive.

You're right but all that is moot if the player simply does not want to be here. You're not going to get that commitment and outcomes you mentioned above. We'll be stuck with another Lukaku/Di Maria/Sanchez that will be off at the first opportunity.

 

[Brownie85]

You're right but all that is moot if the player simply does not want to be here. You're not going to get that commitment and outcomes you mentioned above. We'll be stuck with another Lukaku/Di Maria/Sanchez that will be off at the first opportunity.

Well for ETH to be chasing him as hard as he is doing, then it's pretty sure that he has a good idea of whether he wants to come or not.
What he says to the media and what he says in private are two completely different things!

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

You're right but all that is moot if the player simply does not want to be here. You're not going to get that commitment and outcomes you mentioned above. We'll be stuck with another Lukaku/Di Maria/Sanchez that will be off at the first opportunity.

Been said a million times, but they are more examples of “forced out” players doing incredible for their new clubs than vice versa.

As for Sanchez, he was desperate to leave Arsenal and delighted to join United, so it works both ways. Being over the moon about a move gives no greater guarantee that a transfer will turn out well.

 

[Real Name]

You're right but all that is moot if the player simply does not want to be here. You're not going to get that commitment and outcomes you mentioned above. We'll be stuck with another Lukaku/Di Maria/Sanchez that will be off at the first opportunity.

Wants to stay at Barcelona doesnt mean he'll mope around at United. I'm sure he'll be a professional.

 

[Wilt]

Well they can’t.

They can ask him to, or ask he leave.

De Jong can do as he pleases, if he wants to stay and demand his contracted wages, they’ll just have to pay up, and that will seriously feck them over.
Appears they have a little hope that emotional blackmail might get players to play for a shit tonne less than their contracted wages and a shit load less than they’d get elsewhere. Oh, and then they’ll use those savings on your wages to fund the likes of Lewa.
It’s more than a bit gross and also why I’m sure FDJ will tell them to go feck themselves and why negotiations with United are so advanced.

Thanks for clearing that up I was getting somewhat confused.

What a shite club Barcelona are.

 

[hellhunter]

Well they can’t.

They can ask him to, or ask he leave.

De Jong can do as he pleases, if he wants to stay and demand his contracted wages, they’ll just have to pay up, and that will seriously feck them over.
Appears they have a little hope that emotional blackmail might get players to play for a shit tonne less than their contracted wages and a shit load less than they’d get elsewhere. Oh, and then they’ll use those savings on your wages to fund the likes of Lewa.
It’s more than a bit gross and also why I’m sure FDJ will tell them to go feck themselves and why negotiations with United are so advanced.

It really boggles the mind. If you can't pay your contractually obliged wages and need your staff to waive part of their salary, you shouldn't be allowed any new signings. Any workers union would have you on toast

 

[Isotope]

That's not Malacia iirc

Dang it. You're right.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

It really boggles the mind. If you can't pay your contractually obliged wages and need your staff to waive part of their salary, you shouldn't be allowed any new signings. Any workers union would have you on toast

Aye, clearly shouldn’t be allowed.

 

[Wilt]

It really boggles the mind. If you can't pay your contractually obliged wages and need your staff to waive part of their salary, you shouldn't be allowed any new signings. Any workers union would have you on toast

They should be punished. Banned from playing in the CL would be a good start.

 

[Godfather]

It really boggles the mind. If you can't pay your contractually obliged wages and need your staff to waive part of their salary, you shouldn't be allowed any new signings. Any workers union would have you on toast

It's absurd. Such a shady club.

 

[Rajiztar]

Any one have to deal with this sinking ship of a club will go mental. United with de Jong,chelsea with dembele, raphinha,Alonso and azpi in the state of don't know where to go. Wait for Barca to come with definite answer but don't know yet they will get or not. .

 

[hellhunter]

And then they go on to justify it all by "but bad boy Bartomeu!" - well tough shit, you voted that guy in and let him stay in office. Where's our excpetion to rules because the Glazers are dicks?

 

[ForeverRed1]

You're right but all that is moot if the player simply does not want to be here. You're not going to get that commitment and outcomes you mentioned above. We'll be stuck with another Lukaku/Di Maria/Sanchez that will be off at the first opportunity.

or he will come here and actually feel wanted and like a team is going to make him the main man. He has a great relationship with ETH, Not to mention we got donny and malacia looks to be a done deal. Hopefully the club and fan base can make him feel like he will make the right decision. I really don’t see it as another di Maria situation but I guess you never know.

 

[matherto]

Did Arjen Robben want to leave Madrid?

 

[RedPed]

or he will come here and actually feel wanted and like a team is going to make him the main man. He has a great relationship with ETH, Not to mention we got donny and malacia looks to be a done deal. Hopefully the club and fan base can make him feel like he will make the right decision. I really don’t see it as another di Maria situation but I guess you never know.

Yeah, hope you're right but it's not really a great place to start from is it? And like I said, I'm working from the premise that he does not want to come to United.

 

[flappyjay]

FDJ is only at Barça because they matched the wages on offer elsewhere.
If they didn’t, he’d be at PSG, or City, or Chelsea.

The “love of the club” portion is, as always, massively overblown. If he loved the club as much as some suggest, why is he on such high wages? Why didn’t Barca offer him then what they are suggesting now? Because he’d have told em to go feck themselves right?

Ever since I found out how much players get in the big 2 Spanish teams earn I have realised its not the weather or the history calling them to Spain. Had Griezmann came to us a few years ago he would have been on 250-300k a week but at Barcelona he was on 600k. Its probably true that he liked United but he would have been stupid to turn that down.

 

[ForeverRed1]

Yeah, hope you're right but it's not really a great place to start from is it? And like I said, I'm working from the premise that he does not want to come to United.

In a dream world, Barca just pay him his contract and play him week in week out but it won’t be like that for him. They will low ball him and probably favour him less than the home grown talent they have at the moment which is exceptional. Aslong with kessie signing, he won’t be their main man. He hasn’t hit the ground running over there and has looked unhappy a few times when subbed etc. Barca haven’t treated him particularly well.. so it comes down to, can United and ETH persuade him that his future can lie here..

Can we match his ambition? Can we build a elite squad that can challange? Can we pay him what he wants? Would he come here and enjoy his football, feel loved at his club. If we didn’t have ETH I’d say there’s no chance of this one happening.. but it gives us a little hope.

There’s so many factors in this one it’s not a straight line. It’s going to be a long week... again.
I actually have a feeling he stays at Barca but my guess is as good as anyone’s. It’s his preference but again.. there’s so many factors, maybe his head can be turned. He can’t feel very loved at Barca right now with How publicly they have spoken about him. What a signing he would be though. Dream signing.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Sorry mate , but what a load of bull. Before he was ever matched to Barcelona. He always declared that Barca was his dreamclub. You have to understand. Cruijff made barcelona to what it is. A huge load of best Ajax played there and had a huge impact. And when you are bought for 85 mill by the club a huge pay includes with that. If you do not understand that, you are not understanding the basic logic

It’s you not understanding, a club can pay 80m and offer 150k /week, they don’t because the agent and player would say get stuffed when other interested parties have offered much more. In fact, VVD cost Liverpool more than FDJ and he was offered nothing like the wage FDJ was, because Liverpool didn’t have to match other interested parties in order to sign him.

You think clubs are so stupid they offer more money than what they need to?

Barca had to match other offers, dream club or not, because ultimately the World isn’t a fairytale where Barca can still attract top players and pay half of what other clubs offer.
They had to almost bankrupt the club and pay Messi a million a week to stave off City and PsG’s interest, despite it being his dream club.
Why do that when they could’ve paid him 250k ?

 

[Keefy18]

i think stating we wouldn't enter discussions with a club a player if they weren't for sale is pretty obvious don't you?

If they were financially stable De Jong wouldn't even be available. But the facts are they aren't and he is. To not try and take advantage of that when you've just brought in a manager that got more out of FDJ than Barca have would be pretty poor.

So in other words you're gonna cry whatever happens?

As per Romano...

Frenkie’s priority has always been to stay at Barça

FDJ has no desire to join any other club, he'll drag this out as long as he can until Barca can possibly find a way to keep him, perhaps he may take the pay cut...who knows.

No tears shall be shed my side thanks for your concern, I'll just shrug and roll my eyes and wait for the penny to drop with you day dreaming lot.

We've two top players basically undermining ETH & The club and refusing to play for us.

 

[DickDastardly]

Why are we still arguing over this?

It's a done deal, has been for a month.

They don't want him, they don't need him.
He costs them too much, they need money.

We want him and we need him.
We also have the money.

This is like 2+2.

Thursday announcment and medical.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

We learn nothing from the last few years.
We should only sign player that want to play for Man Utd especially a superstar with a massive contract for 5 to 6 years.

FDJ only want to come to us if he is forced to take significant paycut. Things could turn south very soon and we will be left with an unhappy superstar on massive contract which we can't offload.

 

[RkkMan]

As per Romano...





FDJ has no desire to join any other club, he'll drag this out as long as he can until Barca can possibly find a way to keep him, perhaps he may take the pay cut...who knows.

No tears shall be shed my side thanks for your concern, I'll just shrug and roll my eyes and wait for the penny to drop with you day dreaming lot.

We've two top players basically undermining ETH & The club and refusing to play for us.

You've made this part up. His priority is to stay at Barca(which has been an open secret) which is what Fabrizio and other journos have said not what you typed
Ogden himself whom I've seen you quoted said that De Jong himself knows he may have to leave even if it isn't his first option which is where we come in. Once he inevitably refuses a pay cut(he's already on a wage deferral and Barca want him to HALF his wages he's not agreeing to that) then he chooses us as the option to join plain and simple.
Him preferring to stay at Barca doesn't prevent him from keeping his options open

 

[JuriM]

As per Romano...





FDJ has no desire to join any other club, he'll drag this out as long as he can until Barca can possibly find a way to keep him, perhaps he may take the pay cut...who knows.

No tears shall be shed my side thanks for your concern, I'll just shrug and roll my eyes and wait for the penny to drop with you day dreaming lot.

We've two top players basically undermining ETH & The club and refusing to play for us.

Your agenda setting is weird and I doubt you actually support the club. The deal will be sorted when it will be sorted and no need to be a undermining negative nancy.

 

[Keefy18]

You've made this part up. His priority is to stay at Barca(which has been an open secret) which is what Fabrizio and other journos have said not what you typed
Ogden himself whom I've seen you quoted said that De Jong himself knows he may have to leave even if it isn't his first option which is where we come in. Once he inevitably refuses a pay cut(he's already on a wage deferral and Barca want him to HALF his wages he's not agreeing to that) then he chooses us as the option to join plain and simple.
Him preferring to stay at Barca doesn't prevent him from keeping his options open

It's semantics, if his priority is to stay... how exactly does he want to join another club? It's the same sentiment worded differently.

The positivity posse want to do mental gymnastics to sign a player who doesn't want to be here but stay put, meanwhile slate Ronaldo for wanting out of the club (contradiction).

The point I have been making is its far from ideal to be chasing a player that doesn't want to leave their current club. It rarely if ever works out.

We're walking right into another ADM, Lukaku type scenario here and folks are blind to it.

 

[Real Name]

As per Romano...





FDJ has no desire to join any other club, he'll drag this out as long as he can until Barca can possibly find a way to keep him, perhaps he may take the pay cut...who knows.

No tears shall be shed my side thanks for your concern, I'll just shrug and roll my eyes and wait for the penny to drop with you day dreaming lot.

We've two top players basically undermining ETH & The club and refusing to play for us.

That answers my question, thanks. You're gonna cry.
You just keep up with your work, you're totally at it.
That's all from us dreaming lot.

 

[Keefy18]

Your agenda setting is weird and I doubt you actually support the club. The deal will be sorted when it will be sorted and no need to be a undermining negative nancy.

I've explained my stance in detail why its a bad move for it.

The original comment I replied to above suggested because of Barca's financial woes it meant we had to at least try even if the player wanted to remain... How many other top clubs are chasing him and willing to have this circus?

 

[horsechoker]

Why is this taking so Frenkie de Long? Have we made the Frenkie de Wrong choice?

 

[Keefy18]

That answers my question, thanks. You're gonna cry.
You just keep up with your work, you're totally at it.
That's all from us dreaming lot.

Just trying to soften the incoming heartbreak for you.

You can mock me all you like, but wait and see.

We'd be better off walking away from this circus and investing the funds in a player willing to be here and fighting for the cause considering our mess.

We've a big enough circus starting with Ronaldo.

 

[reelworld]

As per Romano...





FDJ has no desire to join any other club, he'll drag this out as long as he can until Barca can possibly find a way to keep him, perhaps he may take the pay cut...who knows.

No tears shall be shed my side thanks for your concern, I'll just shrug and roll my eyes and wait for the penny to drop with you day dreaming lot.

We've two top players basically undermining ETH & The club and refusing to play for us.

and yet, in the same tweet stated that de Jong doesn't want to reduce his salary
you just making things up at this point to support whatever negative conclusion you want

 

[Adam-Utd]

Well they can’t.

They can ask him to, or ask he leave.

De Jong can do as he pleases, if he wants to stay and demand his contracted wages, they’ll just have to pay up, and that will seriously feck them over.
Appears they have a little hope that emotional blackmail might get players to play for a shit tonne less than their contracted wages and a shit load less than they’d get elsewhere. Oh, and then they’ll use those savings on your wages to fund the likes of Lewa.
It’s more than a bit gross and also why I’m sure FDJ will tell them to go feck themselves and why negotiations with United are so advanced.

Barca will tell him he will never play again, make him train with the reserves etc etc.

I'm sure if they make him realise he's not wanted he will get his head in order and realise he needs to move on.

 

[the_cliff]

Barca will tell him he will never play again, make him train with the reserves etc etc.

I'm sure if they make him realise he's not wanted he will get his head in order and realise he needs to move on.

They can't legally do that. They threatened Dembele with that and it didn't work.

If he chooses to stay and not cut his wages they can't do shit. They will have to pay him. It's up to him, does he want to relax for the next 3 years and collect insane wages or come here and be the focal part of the team and rebuild the club back to where it once was.

If he chooses the former it's good riddance.

 

[WPMUFC]

Why is this taking so Frenkie de Long? Have we made the Frenkie de Wrong choice?

Bravo!!

 

[Real Name]

Just trying to soften the incoming heartbreak for you.

That's really sweet of you, thanks.

 

[Keefy18]

and yet, in the same tweet stated that de Jong doesn't want to reduce his salary
you just making things up at this point to support whatever negative conclusion you want

Its the proverbial rock and hard place situation. He's wanted where he is, he wants to stay. Barca can't force him to take a pay cut, nor can they force him to leave without financial hardship (last thing they need more of)... So the circus continues and will continue all summer long.

What part of that situation sounds enticing and would make any club want to sign the player? Only one as stupid as ours would consider it.

Like the majority of modern day supporters you can't see the woods for the trees.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

As per Romano...





FDJ has no desire to join any other club,

i’m not sure you understand the word “priority”.

 

[Brownie85]

As per Romano...





FDJ has no desire to join any other club, he'll drag this out as long as he can until Barca can possibly find a way to keep him, perhaps he may take the pay cut...who knows.

No tears shall be shed my side thanks for your concern, I'll just shrug and roll my eyes and wait for the penny to drop with you day dreaming lot.

We've two top players basically undermining ETH & The club and refusing to play for us.

So you truly believe that Ten Hag will just chase a player that he knows has no intention of ever joining us? Not sure if you're just trying to convince yourself or truly believe it.

There is no way he'd want us to push that hard if he was certain that de Jong wouldn't want to come! What would be the point in agreeing a fee, going through two months of negotiation just for de Jong to say "nah lads, feck off". Makes no sense! What do you expect de Jong to say? He's bigged up the fact that Barca are his dream club in the past, and he doesn't want to come across as money obsessed, so obviously he's going to say he wants to stay. Do you truly think he's going to come out and say "Feck Barca and their financial woes, i want out at the earliest opportunity!". Not a chance. Ronaldo on the other hand, it's all about him, he doesn't care. He's coming to the end of his career and has feck to lose.

Just trying to soften the incoming heartbreak for you.

You can mock me all you like, but wait and see.

We'd be better off walking away from this circus and investing the funds in a player willing to be here and fighting for the cause considering our mess.

We've a big enough circus starting with Ronaldo.

Mock you all you like? I don't think i've seen one positive post from you at all.
Seeing as you seem to know all about this transfer, and everything thats going on behind closed doors with what FDJ has told ETH, you should whack quite a bit of cash on him staying at Barca... you know, put your money where your mouth is. You'll make a whole crap ton of money!

Do people truly think in this day and age clubs just bid for players with absolutely no idea of whether they'll join?

 

[Keefy18]

i’m not sure you understand the word “priority”.

Do you?

a thing that is regarded as more important than others.

Meaning Barca more important than Joining United.

Hope this helps.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

My body is ready for another week of rehashed copy and paste updates.