Sure and the mighty Barcelona have been extremely consistent this season or last I guess. It's not really inconceivable that Barca would miss out on champions league qualification in 1 or both of the last two seasons if you were in the epl.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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It’ll blow a massive portion of our transfer budget in a summer in which we are losing six first team players. As good as he is, it doesn’t seem right to me.
Can't even get our cocks out now 
I'm sure he does want to stay at Barca. But if Barca want him sold, the fact that he wants to stay doesn't really matter. Unless he takes the extremely rare step of digging his heels in and refusing to budge, he'll pick the best of the offers available to him and move on. That's the life of a professional footballer.
I'm sure a lot of our former and future players would have opted for a club like Barca or Real over us if it was available to them. But when it's not they don't suddenly pack in their careers.
I'm sure a lot of our former and future players would have opted for a club like Barca or Real over us if it was available to them. But when it's not they don't suddenly pack in their careers.
We don't have a set budget - this has been reported quite credibly of late.
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That’s why we need to be looking at young up and coming players who are quality but aren’t quite world class just yet. Going after the already established top players is pointless right now as they all want to compete in the CL and there’s plenty clubs in a far better state than us that can offer that.
There was nothing clear about it. And United didn’t just qualify, they were top 2. I doubt Barcelona would have been top 2 in the PL. In fact, if they were better than the second place, perhaps you think they’d have won it?
I think the Di Maria epsode has scarred too many fans.
First of all I am not fussed about Frenkie. If he comes here, it will be because of ETH. However the idea you should never sign a player that has been told to leave because he will down tools is wrong.
Many top players have been told to leave by their clubs and gone on to perform admirably for their new clubs. Robben, Sneijder, Eto'o. The list is endless.
At that age and with a coach that he knows well, I do not worry about his motivation.
First of all I am not fussed about Frenkie. If he comes here, it will be because of ETH. However the idea you should never sign a player that has been told to leave because he will down tools is wrong.
Many top players have been told to leave by their clubs and gone on to perform admirably for their new clubs. Robben, Sneijder, Eto'o. The list is endless.
At that age and with a coach that he knows well, I do not worry about his motivation.
Ultimately, if he really doesn’t want to leave Barcelona, he won’t. He doesn’t have to. In fact, isn’t fecking Umtiti still there?!
We’ve been consistently spending around £100m net the last number of summers and without CL football I doubt that’s likely to change, reports or not.
I disagree here. Player can also join based on the manager. If the player thinks the manager is very good and can get the best out of you in the manager's system then it makes sense why the player will buy into the project, thus choosing United over the others' big shots. For example: the player might think, wait if I joins City under Pep and he plays 433 means I will be playing in the similar role of how I plays at Barcelona, which clearly not working for me, but if I joins United, Ten Hag knows how to get the best out of him and I believe Ten Hag is destined for success and we had great time in 18/19.
And also another example, look at James Rodriguez was willing to join Everton because of Ancelotti. James wouldn't join Everton if Ancelotti wasn't there, and he would choose different club.
Dembele also refused to leave.
Totally agree with you here. He'll have so much more faith in the "project" and what his role will be, as he knows the manager.
Adria Soldevila is a reliable source for Barcelona.
Lingard refused to join West Ham. This whole ‘doesn’t want to be here’ is way overblown fan talk. These guys are professionals and don’t need to play for the clubs of their dreams. Football is full of such players. The move just needs to make sense at the time.
De Jong wants to stay because his wife loves the city (has her career there) and his wage is considerable.
Ten Hag wants him, and the club would sell for 100 million.
We've never had as many as 8-10 players from the squad leaving in one window.
Why would that make sense? We've go no chance with him.
The only reason we might have a chance with FDJ is because we have ETH.
Nah, De Jong's dream has always been to play for Barcelona, it's his favourite club since he was a kid. I think he went to Spanish lesson when he was at Ajax to prepare for Barcelona's move. However, just like Messi, Barcelona can just force him out due to financial issue and De Jong will have to accept it and if he leaves, I'm confident Ten Hag has the power to make sure FDJ doesn't go anywhere else but United (If ETH wants him)
Not this revisionist crap again. Our hoarder manager wanted to keep him. Moyes said as much, and if you don't believe me, there's still 0 evidence to support your claim.
Fair point and we need to scrutinise his intent despite our desperation for a competent midfielder. Honestly wouldn’t be against the idea of a psychiatric test as part of his medical. Otherwise, there is a 99% chance of him being an upgrade over our current crop of midfielders (including Pogba imho).
Imagine picking up De Jong for 50-60m EUR. A third of the price that West Ham seem to want for Declan Rice
But he can pass the ball to his teammates
This. There’s no reason for both Lingard and Moyes to lie in this instance.
Sitting on the fence as usual
Reality.
If it is simple as that, then he will stay. He has a contract. If he also wants to stay on the condition that he is valued and appreciated by the club and that is removed - then despite every other factor you mentioned, he would then need to consider his options, reluctantly or not. Either that or simply retire and live a happy life in Barcelona, where his wife is happy.
I’m giving this thread a miss till the off-season. Too many ”journalists” out to make a quick buck with this story. Expect tons of fake news.
This just sounds naive imo. I cant see De Jong choose United over City just because of the manager. City is the best club in the world and will be for years. Im sure De jong wants to play one-two with Fred or Mctominay in a midfield two, or dominate every midfield with Rodri and De bruyne. We are a bloody mess and the worst run club in the world. Fans are grasping at straws here in a desperate situation. No way De Jong wants to join us. It will only happend if Barca forces him out and no other club are willing to pay big money for him. It will be United of old again. Most fans agreed we had to take a different approach in the transfer market this summer, so im supriced so many are losing their head and not sticking to their gun when the first big name is getting linked to us.
Lingard showed no interest in joining West Ham last summer, and every single report said his preference was to stay and fight for a place in Manchester. Which is what he did, because he wanted to. West Ham eventually blew 30m on Vlasic in the final week after they couldn’t get him.
The guy is a serious tap-in merchant. I don't understand why he has so many followers.
Its not hard to say "i dont know" but no they have to chase the retweets.
To be fair unless he really does love Haggy and the bloke is very convincing, he is going to have a lot of other offers. We’d need to act very quiet and quickly to get the job done.
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