I remember having to argue here that we don’t have 120 million pounds + sold players money. How are the people protecting Glazers feeling right now? Are You now going with “window only opened 1 week ago”? We got rid of 90 million pounds worth of contracts. And we still don’t have 120 mil pounds to spend. Sponsors are running away and those who remain have got massive discounts. We are a mid table club now. When the gloryhunters leave and finally stop buying club merch we will finally get rid of Glazers and will be able to start growing our club again
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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So Liverpool were at their best in the 2000s then? You know perfectly that Milan were far from their best in the late 90s-early 2000s and you are referring to the late 80s early 90s when you talk about them being surreal, in the late 90s-2000s they were a good cup team but generally underwhelming in the league and inconsistant.
Either this is the quiet before the storm or the deal has gone flat.
So you are saying United have been unlucky and there has been no miss management?
Or you are saying fans should not get angry at the clubs miss management because luck is a part of sport?
No one here is saying money means United should win the league. Its clear people are angry with the way the club has been miss managed.
Its rather rich of anyone to say someone should not get angry or frustrated at incompetent leadership. Not signing a replacement for Matic ahead of time is nothing to do with luck, giving Ole the manager job fulltime before the season had even ended again, not luck. I could go on.
Anyway this isn’t really the thread for this discussion
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Is it was that bad how come we are able to still spend £100+ mill every summer? Dividends/management fees aren't huge in the general skim of things. Other than Roman Abramovich most owners pay themselves.
I am not defending the cnuts -- the problem started with the Premier League's management in allowing an LBO to happen to start with. That is the source of all the problems. The Glazers just took advantage of that loophole.
Glazers are investors -- they will sell the club to another person/group when the next wave of revenue streams are unleashed. Direct streaming to United fans globally. Then will be in the £10B range
AC Milan won 2 CL and 2 league titles during the 2000s. Its not their greatest time but they were hardly Liverpool. However you know very well what my main point is and it has nothing to do with Milan.
No and you know it.
United produce a ridiculous amount of money. Sure they still spend a decent amount of money in transfers but facilities were left to rot.
Let me ask you a question. How many football owners take dividends every year?
We get it, you don't give a feck about United and whether it's down in the drains or successful means very little to you as long as you can be patronizing and sanctimonious.
Your whole point is ridiculous and simplified - luck. Don't even know where to begin.
Oh, and by the way, we've spent the most of any club in the last decade, and got nothing for it. Show me a similar level of failure.
SAF build a monstrous football club, got it in an advantageous position to continue being successful and we threw at all away. But it's ok I guess, we shouldn't be angry, or disappointed, or whatever, it's just sport.
This is most likely Laporta trying to force our hand.
Which isn't surreal or exceptional. It has everything to do with Milan, they are a perfect example of how success isn't sustained and yet you used them as an example.
So you only care if you treat every topic with irrationality and without perspective?
Pretty sure we’re the only club in the league who pays its owners dividends.
Our whole summer based on Barcelona's meeting today, bloody hell.
I am of the opinion that this deal has gone flat. We have seen us been linked with other midfielders now.
After today, once barca get their 600m injection of cash, they wont need to sell anyway.
I don’t know hence the question. I am not a mind reader. I am just not understanding the point you are making.
If you want examples of sustained success then you have to look at Juventus, Bayern or Real. However I used Milan to show you that fans can accept a decline if there is a very valid reason behind it. That's not the case with United
Agree
Some people enjoy the pain, it's fine. Being masochistic can be a wonderful thing. Wanting other people to share in your pleasure is another thing.
So we're just "unlucky", nothing to do with doing a bad job.
If that's rationality and perspective then I don't know what to tell you, honestly.
your perspective is - luck
So we're just "unlucky", nothing to do with doing a bad job.
If that's rationality and perspective then I don't know what to tell you, honestly.
I'm of the opinion that Barca want to sell De Jong regardless of their 'financial status'.
Not that this place needs to be a dictatorship but maybe some rules on when/where people are allowed to voice concern would be nice. More threads splitting up the glass half empty from the glass half full crowd so to speak.
The people who constantly tell the “moaners” to stop moaning, with an air of superiority can be just as infuriating and considering it is a forum where individual views can be given, the level of divide between members is almost palpable.
Surely we all want the club to do well on and off the pitch (of which we have clearly not been for some time) but posters seem more concerned about belittling each other and having the higher moral ground with regards to being a better supporter.
The people who constantly tell the “moaners” to stop moaning, with an air of superiority can be just as infuriating and considering it is a forum where individual views can be given, the level of divide between members is almost palpable.
Surely we all want the club to do well on and off the pitch (of which we have clearly not been for some time) but posters seem more concerned about belittling each other and having the higher moral ground with regards to being a better supporter.
I agree. On the plus side, the style of midfielders we are being linked to is very promising.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the 600mil would cover their expenses and debts until now? I'm not sure that covers their dealings in the current transfer window. They will still have make other transfers in order to freely sign new players, no?
Also, their assembly is today, so we will have more news soon.
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You wonder if as you say they want to sell, but the manager saying he desperately wants to keep him will keep the price high.
That's what I think tbh. De Jong isn't really needed by Barca and they have plenty of areas that they could improve with the money. I reckon they'd love to get rid of his wages as well.
The club has dropped the ball not aiming someone quickly and getting the fans slightly on side after last season.
Didnt need to be this guy but something To get excited about. Gotta hope we have at least 2 in before we start preseason or we’ll just be fecking about again
Didnt need to be this guy but something To get excited about. Gotta hope we have at least 2 in before we start preseason or we’ll just be fecking about again
There's no reason to believe that anything has gone flat here. It's really only a thirst for updates that is causing anybody to get frustrated.
We know Barcelona want and need to sell him in order to make other transfers happen. We know United are interested in doing the deal. This was always going to take some time because there is a wide area in between what Barcelona want for this player and what United believe they can get him for, so its going to be a case of 'who blinks first'.
Barcelona will undoubtedly have deadlines coming up, be it through having to meet certain accounting criteria or needing to close out an incoming deal on a player. That's what will dictate the outcome and when we'll see real movement here.
We know Barcelona want and need to sell him in order to make other transfers happen. We know United are interested in doing the deal. This was always going to take some time because there is a wide area in between what Barcelona want for this player and what United believe they can get him for, so its going to be a case of 'who blinks first'.
Barcelona will undoubtedly have deadlines coming up, be it through having to meet certain accounting criteria or needing to close out an incoming deal on a player. That's what will dictate the outcome and when we'll see real movement here.
I get it, its a bad look. But other owners do it too. The issue isn't the debt but the LBO that was allowed to go through. The new Chelsea owners compensated for all the 'loan' aka debt that was spend by Roman.
As long as they are willing to spend in the transfer windows I don't have an issue with the debt. The debt is equivalent to only a year's United revenue which isn't that bad.
Most of us who take a loan out on a house are worse in terms of income v debt/loan. As long as the interest rates are low, it's not an issue.
No, I said that luck and circumstances are part of success which is a reason why anger shouldn't be a constant in the way fans deal with results. I have often talked about what I believe are structural issues with this Football club, the lack of structure beyond the manager and during succesful periods an overreliance on a godfather figure like SAF and before that Sir Matt Busby. But I also realize that top managers aren't that common, that it's easy to pick the wrong one and that no club has found the right formula everyone stumble on it. The only constant that I find irritating with United is that we don't move on fast enough since 2013.
Now there is a problem when people deal with everything with anger and moan about virtually everything regardless of logic or context. There is a problem when people turn everything into something negative and are then upset because others aren't negative, as we saw earlier with a reference to toxic positivity.
So are they going to sell Frenkie and then pay Lewdowski twice as much?
This is a false statement.
We know Barca Don't want to sell him, this has been quite clear from Xavi, the board and De Jong himself.
They were almost in a position where they had to sell due to their economic conditions however; it seems they are getting economic levers and will have 600m cash injection.
As soon as this news breaks later today, expect the De Jong deal to go completely cold.
Good advice.
So don’t have an opinion because you have no control…. Ok
Like who? We have only been linked to one new one. I dont think we pay 35m for Vitinha, and if we pay anywhere near 50-60m for Neves we are insane and have learnt nothing
There is a good reason though and we have discussed it a lot together and actually mainly agreed on the issue. United lost the best manager in the world, United was one of the few clubs with an actual manager and not a head coach, United and a large part of the fanbase championed the all powerful manager and people learned that it's not a good system when you don't have SAF. We can talk about it rationally in the many threads that are linked to it but this has nothing to do with every transfer threads were people moan about United being too slow or being embarrassed about x or y, being angry because they don't have a detailed report of the last 24 hours.
To be honest it’s a bit grating if we have to listen all summer to it. “The club has been mismanaged!” Yes it has. But the club has now put in place new structure and new staff to move on. They now deserve that chance to work no?
My point is, we know all the gripes by now. We don’t need to hear the record on repeat in every thread. Let’s see what they do when people get going in their jobs.
oh im also of the belief that we won’t see a lot progress based on this window As i think it’s too soon.
hence why before the window opened i answered the question “what are your expectations for the new season?” A lot answered top 4, cup win, etc
I answered “a lot of patience from fans”
which the evidence is telling us that very few of you have any when it comes to United. It makes me ask why so many of you wanted Ten Hag then?
There isn’t an entirely new team in place, scouting and recruitment has been streamlined but is pretty much the same people. Arnold and Murtough have got new job titles but we’re here before and the ultimate decision makers remain unchanged.
So far we’re seeing a repeat of how business has been conducted for a long time which is exactly what we should expect as it’s the same people involved. The owners were obviously happy with how Woodward operated and we’ll just see tweaks to what he did rather than wholesale change.
Do you think Ten Hag wants his reinforcements in for preseason?
Do you think that is an unreasonable thing to expect?
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