You’re forgetting to factor in the wages.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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You’re forgetting to factor in the wages.
Is passing range really one of his strengths? Hard to believe he has this super specialised position if so given his physicality and ability to shield and carry the ball.
We probably haven't moved on because the rumours aren't true. We can be pretty sure that ten hag and FDJ have discussed the move. If ten hag was told that he doesn't want to join united and would rather move to any other club, with united never being considered as an option we would have moved on. The fact we haven't suggests we have a chance.
We know FDJ doesn't want to leave Barcelona but at the point where they tell him they don't want him to stay he will have a choice to make.
He's not a great fit at psg given their midfielders need to do so much extra to cover the front 3. He's an even worse fit if Mourinho takes over.
He's not a great fit at City given they play the same brand of football as Barcelona which he admits doesn't get the best out of him.
He's not a great fit at bayern given they've bought in gravenberch who plays the same position and are linked heavily with Laimer who fits the idea that naglesmann might be moving bayern further towards the redbull style of play.
Coming to united he'll be paid well, will have the entire team built around him and will work with a manager who plays the style of football he enjoys.
Given he's also likely to have his international team mates at the club (donny, Timber, maybe de ligt next summer), I think once he gets his head around the fact his Barcelona dream is over he'll be more than happy to join us.
With the players that will be playing it
If he can't get it then has to be through coaching. Why? Regardless he gets new CB or no, ETH wouldn't abandon the no 1 principal of his system, which demanding his defense to progress the ball. IMO this is his no 1 principal in his system based on what I know about every different seasons of his Ajax team, he never change that principal in all his systems. If the current defense fail even after being coached then we would expect the ones who fail to be replaced next summer as they are not even good enough to be coached to play the way ETH wants.
Erik ten hag has worked with him before if he think he can get the best out of him let’s give it an try he can also go to city or psg and be a become an bench player because of an stacked squad at man utd he at least has an guarantee starting spot and coach who will back him
Nobody is saying he would abandon it
Good so it's about the system like I told you from the start.
If we won't bring a natural DM, all this Frenkie Fiasco will be for nothing.
We all know that we can't play him alongside Fred, we'll be so soft in the middle and we'll have the same scenario from last season.
We all know that we can't play him alongside Fred, we'll be so soft in the middle and we'll have the same scenario from last season.
This one is going to be a marathon, 176 pages with no end in sight.
I believe I know what my own thoughts on a question I asked are about. Its not just about the system, its also about the personel
Wow imagine having a player who WANTS the ball!
Do not want, he had an other team above us during his first 4 years.
It's still not less to do with the system though since imo regardsless he gets what he wants in his defense or no, he would still demand the defense to be good at progressing the ball as that's part of his system that he hasn't change. If they can't do it, they will be replaced next summer.
Would be nice to have footballers at football club
Hmm no nee updates, either this is dead or were close to getting him.
or neither and I'm just a muppet.
or neither and I'm just a muppet.
I think mid June would be a deadline for this deal. We can probably pay the €70/80m that Barca want and Frenkie should have made up his mind up by then. Frenkie is the only player Barca are prepared to sell and that would generate a lot of money.
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He is a troll account just like that Amadeus guy.Ignore is your friend.
So to my original point about personel, rolls eyes
I'm sorry if you are still confused and don't get it but I was trying to tell you that if it's more personel but less to do with the system then the manager wouldn't demand of his defense that incapable to play progressive ball to play progressive ball, but instead, he will change it to suits the current defense.
Because it's more to do with the system then the manager would demand of his defense to play progressive ball even if he fails to get what he wants this summer he would force it through coaching until next summer when he gets the chance to sign new players. Means he won't change that part of his system.
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Koopmeiners is good but not equally talented. There are very few midfielders as talented as Frenkie tbh. Some that are or are even more talented are Verrati, Modric, Kimmich, Thiago, Barella, Bellingham, Tchouameni. And we arent signing them.
Wouldn't have put Barella as being above Frenkie but he'd be my next target if FdJ categorically isn't interested. Why do you think he wouldn't be able to sign him? There were rumours that Inter would consider offers for him and Bastoni.
I've seen people asking which DM we could pair Frenkie with if the transfer goes through and I'd be interested to hear people's opinion of Marc Roca. In theory his profile as a technically accomplished Rodri lite DM would interest me particularly as his transfer value has plummeted but I'm curious as to whether he's been found out as a player at Bayern or if he just can't compete with the excellent midfielders they have there.
After the season we've had, the only thing in our favour if we pursue Frenkie Je Dong is Erik.. 
No one said its more personel. I said my question which you responded to was about personel. Its not that difficult. Takes a special person to tell someone what they were thinking when they made a point. I mean… wow
I don't see how we're going to get him, considering all I hear is that he doesn't want to leave, but if he has to leave, he'd rather not come to United.
Because we’re his only suitor.
Frenkie's way of playing is a bit different to Xavi's vision for what he wants in midfield, and the guy for them is Pedri (who is a ridiculous prospect). So Frenkie de Jong, despite the world class talent, is expendable. For us and Ten Hag, someone like De Jong is far more suited and more of what we need/want than a Pedri is.
Because that 2nd part is pretty made up and probably not the case? 1, yes, he doesn't want to leave Barca. If he does leave, going back to Ten Hag makes sense and is probably the driving factor.
Pedri and Gavi are untouchable as they have talent to be future ballon dor. Realistically keeping them makes more sense as they are on low wages meaning they will suffer less financially in building their squad with Pedri and Gavi together than keeping FDJ in building their squad with FDJ who is on much high wages.
Rome wasn't built in a day. Frenkie will know that -- the team development will be part of ETH's pitch to him.
This. Keeping him around will not help contract negotiations for the rest of the squad and break their cycle of crazy salaries. Barca is more than happy to shift Frenkie's wages over to us.
We should just have the RM's 3 tiered salary structure during their Galacticos days. We ain't going to break that cycle any time soon.
I haven't seen much of Roca but I'm almost always into the idea of signing a defensively inclined Spanish midfielder in their mid-20s who's played well, even if their big move hasn't worked out. Guys like Merino, Illaramendi, Parejo and Bruno Soriano have moved for cheap (or been available) over the years and would have played a ton for us and been helpful. And Herrera was a solid signing.
Goretzka and Kimmich seemingly always being healthy and Sabitzer getting zero time despite being a clearly very good midfielder suggests Roca might not be good enough for Bayern but still be better than McTominay will be over the next 5 years and we could surely sell McT to a mid-table Prem side for more money than Roca would cost to bring in.
I can't wrap my head around this. Why is PSG not looking to bring him in instead of Paredes for example? Or one of the Milan clubs? He should have 6-10 years of elite midfield play left in him, so a big fee isn't the end of the world. I can see why his style isn't what Nagelsmann or Klopp want to spend on, but if you're fine with a slower buildup and control of midfield, he's the best around and somehow available.
PSG have their own mess to sort out first sacking both Leonardo and poch and moving on many players before they can potentially think of signing de Jong. Not to mention their new DOF is gonna be Luis campos who might have different targets and different priorities. Also, the Mbappe deal might have hamstrung them abit I believe so it’s not as straight forward as it seems to commit that kind of money for de Jong especially when they have to bring in a striker and a replacement for di maria.
And Milan clubs would never spend that kind of money on one player. Even if they had the money to spend they would try the create whole team with it. Other than lukaku I don’t recall inter or even AC spending anything close to that amount on one player definitely not on a midfielder. They are cheapstakes and free loaders first and foremost.
Fernardo Polo who is supposedly quite reliable is claiming that City are keen on Frenkie
I can see them going in for him, they're losing Fernandinho and reportedly Gundogan this summer, there's a space in there for him.
He'd be well suited there. Would make sense.
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