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Of course, but Tuchel’s wins were actually convincing and visibly the better team. Our wins under ole were so lucky. We were hanging on in those victories by a thread.

They were literally the same, soak the pressure and counter.
 
Of course, but Tuchel’s wins were actually convincing and visibly the better team. Our wins under ole were so lucky. We were hanging on in those victories by a thread.
I get what you mean, but outwitting Pep on the day and beating him over a season are two different things, as the last years have shown
 
This thread is fecking terrible for updates. Has anything changed since we (Chelsea) became favourites to sign him yesterday?

You have not bid for him and he doesn't really want to join you.
 
I get what you mean, but outwitting Pep on the day and beating him over the season are two different things, as the last years have shown
It was more the point that the poster was saying Tuchel had no chance of beating them in a football match when he already has 3 times in one season. It’s different style of football but he still outwitted him.
 
Kante and Jorginho's contracts expire next summer. But agree, CM is hardly their current biggest priority.

Also, they've spent €187 million so far this summer whilst only receiving €29m from player sales & loans.

If Leicester is going to sell Fofana, Chelsea will have to make him the most expensive defender ever (would be another ~€100m), whilst de Jong would also cost around the same if they are going to cover his deferred wages as well as the transfer fee paid to Barca.

No way they spend €400m with almost no sales & end up with no striker in the squad :lol:
 
It must have been Santa Claus who got tactically outwitted by Tuchel in the champions league final. Tuchel beat pep 3 games in a row last year.

Not bad for someone with “no chance”.

Is Di Matteo a better coach than Jupp Heynckes?

That is a very over simplistic way of judging a coach.

Ole had good results against Pep, beat him 4 or 5 times. The best way to judge a coach is "do your methods work well enough to win things over the course of a full season?" year in and year out.

So far Tuchel has only shown that ability in the Ligue 1 (with PSG) and with 1 domestic competition in Germany.

To compare him to the 2 best coaches in the last 15 years is extremely premature. Conte has a better shout at being included in that top tier by an absolute mile.
 
Frenkie was heard muttering something about bacon while looking in disgust
Haha

To be honest, this whole window is an absolute joke at the moment. If we're now panicking, then there's no saying how far we could go in the de Jong transfer. We could literally give him whatever he wanted
 
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To be honest, this whole window is an absolute joke at the moment. If we're now panicking, then there's no saying how far we could go in the de Jong transfer. We could literally give him whatever he wanted
At the moment. How things will be different come the end of the window.
 
Can folks please read the thread before making inaccurate statements? Literally just posted 15 min ago that the deadline is Aug 31, but Barça obviously wanted everyone registered before the Rayo match. So Friday is the self-imposed deadline, Aug 31 is the actual deadline.

Yes everyone must read all 1500+ pages or they can't post. Should there be a quiz on the highlights they'll need to pass before posting?

Q1. Which video did @Shakesey pretend to watch and be horrified by for tagline clout?
 
Can't Barca just not register FDJ and free up room for the new signings?

No, unless the rule changed. You don't need to be FFP compliant in order to register players that were registered the previous season but you need to be FFP compliant in order to sign new signings.
 
People here asking "What do Chelsea need with him" and generally not knowing shows the difference between their transfer policy and United's (also could say the same about Bayern, City, Real, Barca or virtually an other top, ambitious club)...

Chelsea - planning ahead to fill a position they will probably need 1 year from now; adding quality to an already deep and talented pool; if they get him, they may have a surplus of quality midfielders competing for playing time for 1 year (hardly the worst problem in the world) and they can decide how to proceed next summer based on form/performance this year

United - let Pogba and Matic walk without signing or getting a transfer fee when they had value; trying to scrape by with below average CM options and no depth whatsoever; now in a desperate situation to sign FDJ and if it doesn't work out, are basically forced into paying over the odds for whatever flawed CM that may be available and willing to come in the last weeks of the transfer window.

Just mind-blowing ineptitude and shortsightedness by United once again.
 
Yes everyone must read all 1500+ pages or they can't post. Should there be a quiz on the highlights they'll need to pass before posting?

Q1. Which video did @Shakesey pretend to watch and be horrified by for tagline clout?

Nice strawman. As you conveniently overlooked it, I said to read literally 10 posts above yours on the same page. Is reading one page of posts a lot for you? Imagine how hard it is for the rest of us having to read the same question a hundred times over while you continuously spout nonsense that misleads others. Admit you were wrong, too lazy to read, and move on.
 
Why the hell do Chelsea want him btw?

I've just looked at their squad and it's nothing special (I said the exact same thing last year, and they finished on 74 pts 10 months later instead of the highly anticipated title challenge :lol: ) but CM is one of their positions which shouldn't be a priority this summer...they have 2 capable CBs, Silva and Koulibaly, 38 and 31 years old respectively, the only quality winger they have is Sterling, and no striker other than Broja to top it all off...but Tuchel doesn't seem to rate the Albanian.

They need 1-2 CBs, a right winger, a striker, meanwhile they got Kovacic, Jorginho, Kanté, Gallagher and Chukwuemeka for the 2 central positions in midfield.
Kante and Jorginho's contracts expire next summer. But agree, CM is hardly their current biggest priority.
goalscholes is right. To add on, the following can make the midfield a bigger priority:
  • Kanté's injury issues can slow him down and make him less effective over time.
  • Jorginho's agent has constantly sought out a move back to Italy for his client for the past few years; maybe Jorginho wants to go back sooner than later.
 
People here asking "What do Chelsea need with him" and generally not knowing shows the difference between their transfer policy and United's (also could say the same about Bayern, City, Real, Barca or virtually an other top, ambitious club)...

Chelsea - planning ahead to fill a position they will probably need 1 year from now; adding quality to an already deep and talented pool; if they get him, they may have a surplus of quality midfielders competing for playing time for 1 year (hardly the worst problem in the world) and they can decide how to proceed next summer based on form/performance this year

United - let Pogba and Matic walk without signing or getting a transfer fee when they had value; trying to scrape by with below average CM options and no depth whatsoever; now in a desperate situation to sign FDJ and if it doesn't work out, are basically forced into paying over the odds for whatever flawed CM that may be available and willing to come in the last weeks of the transfer window.

Just mind-blowing ineptitude and shortsightedness by United once again.
The things people see though are the fact that aside from Kante and Jorginho, they have a lot of other quality midfielders too, some young guys to boot. They add de Jong and that guy from Italy and basically they're getting to a point where they're over saturated with midfielders. They ideally need forwards and defenders
 
People here asking "What do Chelsea need with him" and generally not knowing shows the difference between their transfer policy and United's (also could say the same about Bayern, City, Real, Barca or virtually an other top, ambitious club)...

Chelsea - planning ahead to fill a position they will probably need 1 year from now; adding quality to an already deep and talented pool; if they get him, they may have a surplus of quality midfielders competing for playing time for 1 year (hardly the worst problem in the world) and they can decide how to proceed next summer based on form/performance this year

United - let Pogba and Matic walk without signing or getting a transfer fee when they had value; trying to scrape by with below average CM options and no depth whatsoever; now in a desperate situation to sign FDJ and if it doesn't work out, are basically forced into paying over the odds for whatever flawed CM that may be available and willing to come in the last weeks of the transfer window.

Just mind-blowing ineptitude and shortsightedness by United once again.

Thing is this whole rant would become null and void if/when FDJ signs.
 
Can folks please read the thread before making inaccurate statements? Literally just posted 15 min ago that the deadline is Aug 31, but Barça obviously wanted everyone registered before the Rayo match. So Friday is the self-imposed deadline, Aug 31 is the actual deadline.
Did you go back and read that Kessie and Christensen have a clause in their contract that if they aren't registered by Saturday they can leave for free?
 
Kinda funny really seeing as some journos were saying a bid is in and very advanced. I'm certain most journos have no idea what's going on.
I think they got a little giddy and reported their/Chelsea's optimism over the deal despite not even being ahead of us at this time. The CL rhetoric revolving around de Jong is playing a huge part in how these recent events are being reported.
 
Did you go back and read that Kessie and Christensen have a clause in their contract that if they aren't registered by Saturday they can leave for free?
That's only if they choose to. At the moment, both Christensen and Kessié are keen to remain at Barcelona even if they aren't registered on time.
 
People here asking "What do Chelsea need with him" and generally not knowing shows the difference between their transfer policy and United's (also could say the same about Bayern, City, Real, Barca or virtually an other top, ambitious club)...

Chelsea - planning ahead to fill a position they will probably need 1 year from now; adding quality to an already deep and talented pool; if they get him, they may have a surplus of quality midfielders competing for playing time for 1 year (hardly the worst problem in the world) and they can decide how to proceed next summer based on form/performance this year

United - let Pogba and Matic walk without signing or getting a transfer fee when they had value; trying to scrape by with below average CM options and no depth whatsoever; now in a desperate situation to sign FDJ and if it doesn't work out, are basically forced into paying over the odds for whatever flawed CM that may be available and willing to come in the last weeks of the transfer window.

Just mind-blowing ineptitude and shortsightedness by United once again.
Yeah, just conveniently miss out they've just let one of the best defenders in the league go on a free and chasing Fofana who's at a club that don't want to sell, so will get fleeced as well. But yeah, they'll likely spend £70m+ on a position they don't really need and make him their top earner.
 
I think they got a little giddy and reported their/Chelsea's optimism over the deal despite not even being ahead of us at this time. The CL rhetoric revolving around de Jong is playing a huge part in how these recent events are being reported.
CL is playing a huge part in it, but Ornstein has already said CL won't be the deciding factor IF he leaves. He'll weigh up everything and decide overall. He apparently has no preference of club
 
Thing is this whole rant would become null and void if/when FDJ signs.

Not really because backing ourselves into a desperate situation like this is still not a good way to run the club. Of course, I will be relived if we do get him but better squad planning would have us in a much less dire situation, with or without Frenkie.
 
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