Past tense already,
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Past tense already,
Lets see what happens.
Chelsea might seem more appealing, but he'll have more opportunities at United. Less competition and a more forgiving manager. A manager who knows how to play him and get the best out of him. Will it mean much, i don't know
The one potential trump card we potentially have is money I guess.
As i say, if this is true and we've given up pretty much, why aren't those who are close to United reported it yet?
You'd think if anyone was to know, it'd be them
ETH has dug himself a big grave even before he started his United career. If this is true he deserves what he gets from our shit players.
I do think it's weird that Marcel van der Kraan seems to think we've agreed at a deal with De Jong's agent whilst most other people are saying Chelsea are going to land him.
These were put out at like 5/6pm today and we already had a meltdown about it. UnitedZone were just late off the mark.
I remember those first few summers with Roman spending prowess unmatched in top flight history at the time. Chelsea spent 343m gross/304m net during the first four fiscal years under his ownership and thereafter went a bit more conservative in spending (helps when you've bought a first team and great depth in a short span). SAF spent about 118m gross/42m net over the same timeline; granted, he had just spent about 90m gross/61m net the previous two years before Roman's arrival. Today, Roman's spending would be equivalent to 200m plus each fiscal year and highly doubtful he could sign two dozen first team players in three years. Keep in mind the rates below are circa to rates paid at the time of transfer and under then dated inflation and value rates.
2003-04 summer: Bridge 7m, Cole 6.6m, Crespo 16.8m, Duff 17m, Geremi 7.1m, Johnson 6m, Makelele 16.6m, Mutu 15.8m, Smertin 3.45m, Sullivan 500k, Veron 12.5m; total: 109.35m
2003-04 winter: Parker 10m, Robben 12m (Robben was a pre-contract agreement and possibly not on books until following FY)
2003-04 total net spend: 118.85m - sold Le Saux 500k and assuming Robben in 2004-05 FY)
2004-05 summer: Alex 5m, Carvalho 19.85m, Cech 7m, Drogba 24m, Ferreira 13.2m, Kezman 5m, Morais 500k, Robben 12m(see above), Tiago 8m; total: 94.55m
2004-05 winter: Jarosik 3.75m
2004-05 total net spend: 96.1m - sold Gronkjaer 2.2m
2005-06 summer: Bertrand 125k, Del Horno 8m, Diarra 3.1m, Essien 24.4m, Sinclair 200k, Worley 150k, Wright-Phillips 21m; total: 56.975m
2005-06 winter: Maniche loan, Rajkovic 3.8m
2005-06 total net spend - 50.475m - sold Forssell 3m, Kezman 5.3m, Solari 2m
2006-07 summer: Ballack free, Boulahrouz 8.5m, A.Cole 5m+Gallas, Hilario free, Kalou 9m, Mikel 12m, Sahar 230k, Shevchenko 30m; total: 64.73m
2006-07 winter: none
2006-07 total net spend - 38.73m - sold C.Cole 3m, del Horno 7m, Gudjohnsen 8m, Huth 6m, Jarosik 2m
2003-04 winter: Parker 10m, Robben 12m (Robben was a pre-contract agreement and possibly not on books until following FY)
2003-04 total net spend: 118.85m - sold Le Saux 500k and assuming Robben in 2004-05 FY)
2004-05 summer: Alex 5m, Carvalho 19.85m, Cech 7m, Drogba 24m, Ferreira 13.2m, Kezman 5m, Morais 500k, Robben 12m(see above), Tiago 8m; total: 94.55m
2004-05 winter: Jarosik 3.75m
2004-05 total net spend: 96.1m - sold Gronkjaer 2.2m
2005-06 summer: Bertrand 125k, Del Horno 8m, Diarra 3.1m, Essien 24.4m, Sinclair 200k, Worley 150k, Wright-Phillips 21m; total: 56.975m
2005-06 winter: Maniche loan, Rajkovic 3.8m
2005-06 total net spend - 50.475m - sold Forssell 3m, Kezman 5.3m, Solari 2m
2006-07 summer: Ballack free, Boulahrouz 8.5m, A.Cole 5m+Gallas, Hilario free, Kalou 9m, Mikel 12m, Sahar 230k, Shevchenko 30m; total: 64.73m
2006-07 winter: none
2006-07 total net spend - 38.73m - sold C.Cole 3m, del Horno 7m, Gudjohnsen 8m, Huth 6m, Jarosik 2m
Thats probably because, no one really knows whats going on and it's all guess work and speculation.
Well no, most are saying Barca are going to agree a fee for him with Chelsea, which we did like 2 months ago already
Manchester and London aren’t that far apart for meetings and contacts….both are good hubs for flying to Europe etc…I would imagine that Mikki would be happy in any metropolitan city that has access to other European hubs….
I have lived in Barcelona, London and Dublin and felt Barcelona was the more difficult to negotiate business wise / meetings etc…I imagine Manchester is much easier than Barcelona…maybe not as easy as London but not far off..
I wouldn’t count on him. During the Sneidjer saga he told everyone multiple times we had agreed a deal with him and it’s only a matter of time before he moves.
Depends on how desperate United get. They could probably offer him whatever he wanted and more besides
It has secured us signings before.
Huge hits like Alexis Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba and Fred!
Correct. There's still life in this yet IMO.
I genuinely can't get over this one. Since when Sami Mokbel from Daily Mail is worth listening to whether it is positive or negative?
Depends if he turns round to Chelsea and asks them to match our offer. He did the same to Barca when PSG came in for him.
If this is the club leaking then shame on them for blaming the new manager because there too incompetent to talk to more than player at a time. Bunch of Irwin R Shysters..
And they definitely can match what ever we offer.
I'm not concerned because creating a streamlined structure on the football side of the club takes time and Liverpool are a classic example of that. The likes of Edwards and Fallows, Hunter have been at Liverpool since 2012. And they were ridiculed many a time by both fans and the media before the arrival of Jurgen Klopp who helped shape their recruitment structure and brought it in-line with his vision on playing the game, which in-turn provided their recruitment heads with a guiding principle on the players to target. But in Klopp's first summer window he led recruitment and even signed Sadio Mane after Liverpool's data science team had reportedly deemed the player to be not good enough under Brendan Rodgers. Liverpool finished 8th in the 15/16 season and the summer window that followed was just as underwhelming. They signed Wijnaldum from relegated Newcastle and we signed Pogba by breaking the world transfer record. Wijnaldum turned into a better signing than Pogba.
If by the end of the summer window next year we don't see the influence of the head of scouting then I will be extremely concerned. But as things stand, i'm fine with ten Hag leading the recruitment in the absence of the two head scouts who have been fired. Bayern have poached Dortmund's head of scouting (Markus Pilawa), and his work starts for the new season. And whoever we have installed in the role of 'head of scouting' will play a key role in carrying out the strategy set by the DoF and head coach. Because the head of scouting will head the recruitment process and the regional heads and lead scouts around the world will filter their information into him. So the head of scouting will be the key player when it comes to providing the DoF with transfer targets for the head coach. We also have a data scientist (Dominic Jordan) on the football side of the club for the first time and it'll be interesting to see and learn about his remit on the playing performance and recruitment side of the football club.
I do agree that someone like Caqueret should be signed even with the structural changes taking place if de Jong isn't possible. And he's playing under Peter Bosz at Lyon who like ten Hag also implements positional play and has utilised Caqueret as the connector/conductor in a deeper role both as a single pivot and as one half of a double pivot.
The Caf only believes negative news mate.
Of course there is. No one aside from those very close to this transfer knows whats going on. I've not seen any reports that seem to match yet, they all differ majorly, or introduce different details
Can they though? Our wage ceiling is higher than theirs currently.
It’s all about their new owner wanting to make a statement. He definitely will match it. Plus Kante needs replacing soon.
Fab must have sources close to Barcelona the way he willingly keeps ignoring the deferred wages.
Do you think they will break their wage structure for him?
We know he likes money...He wouldnt dare! would he?
They could... but they likely won't. Then again, it does depend on how insane Boehly is though
I don’t really think they need to break their wage structure but if it comes to it then yes I think they will. This is Chelsea we are speaking about at the end of the day. Not Leicester.
And ten hag but seeing how it's worked out so far i guess it's not meant much.
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He is not. I too can't get over the willingness of people to take in every single random shit bit of reporting (and we all know 'reporting' in football transfer media basically means endlessly generating and running fabrications, agent or entourage machinations, speculations and dramatizations) and go with it. The subterranean level of media competency at display in people's mind is absolutely maddening.
no no mate that is a common misunderstanding,he like "deferred" money.
I'm not counting on anything, earlier in the window he said he was certain Utd would sign Timber. So he's probably the kiss of death.
I'll just remain apathetic now. I should have stayed that way when everyone was saying what a draw Ten Hag was for De Jong when for all we know he could be like a creepy uncle.
We can offer him 400k a week and for him to be the main man. They can't.
I think Sterling is their highest paid on ~£325k pw
I think we have at least 2/3 players on that or more.
I think you’re underestimating Todd Boehly.
We do, and we'd definitely make him one of the highest paid in the squad for sure. It depends on how much money means to him i suppose
I think you're overestimating him
if United match Chelsea's exact offer, then it will really rest upon ten Hag to persuade his old player.
Of course, one would have thought ten Hag would have done that some time ago, hence the club's continued pursuit.
What a clusterfeck. Never known anything like it. It's surpassed Woodward's shenanigans.
Of course, one would have thought ten Hag would have done that some time ago, hence the club's continued pursuit.
What a clusterfeck. Never known anything like it. It's surpassed Woodward's shenanigans.
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