Or they pay the price for it when they hit their 40s. Girls use to put butter or even oils on themselves to get the right shade of brown.
I have skin damage from golf. I avoid the sun like the plague nowadays.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Or they pay the price for it when they hit their 40s. Girls use to put butter or even oils on themselves to get the right shade of brown.
I have skin damage from golf. I avoid the sun like the plague nowadays.
She wouldn't be caught dead using FDJ's credit card in Primark of all places
I think people are just expecting United to cough up and pay the money to get it done.
Would be nice, but at the end of the day, it's not our problem. We didn't ask de Jong to take a pay cut. We didn't ask him to defer his wages for a couple of seasons. Barca did, so it's their issue to sort, not ours. If they want him out, then they have to sort their issues with him out first rather than expect the buying club to do so
You know this transfer shit saga is going great when the conversation changes to sunbathing
Yes and you can hold on to a limit but then at some point you move on. Most important for us should have been to get in players required for the positions before the start of the season so they can embed and we can have 100% focus on the football. Now we are scrambling to get the deal done with no guarantees and could end up having a nightmare finding a last minute replacement if it doesn't happen with fdj. It's bad planning and bad management of the transfer market.
She’s absolutely working - she’s a hockey player and she runs an online fashion label. Maybe if we all log on and buy a hoodie we can entice her to come to Manchester. Infact we only need to buy 340,000 hoodies at £50 each to pay Frenkies 17m
Do we have a hockey team? Maybe we can start one.
No I expect us to see that this has gone on too long and move on to another target that fits similar profile. It can be short term but one or two that give us a chance to improve in the midfield. So we can focus on the actual team building rather than still chasing transfers going into the season
You’re wrong.
Nothing else, just that, Barcelona are the ones who look amateur in this.
You're absolutely right there, they look quite stupid right about now.
They're banging on about players having to take pay cuts because their financial situation is shite, yet they're splashing out on more and more players, with money they can't actually afford to spend etc. Now after doing all that, they're saying they cant pay de Jong the contract he's agreed too and need him to take another pay cut. That is amateur, thats just plain outright irresponsible
Nothing wrong in what I said. We look amateur because of our own planning. Forget about the individual details of this deal. Our own planning for the season this looks amateur. We see the absolute nonsense Barca are playing and should have decided to not be part of it because we have other priorities.
We’re literally not involved. We’re sat down the road waiting for the scrap to finish so we can drive off with one of the parties.
No, you were wrong. Our plan was fine and we completed our bit weeks ago. We can’t be blamed for issues on the other end.
I can only imagine why we are 'holding on' is because FdJ has given ETH assurances that he wants to come to United. And he has to negotiate with Laporta on the deferred salary owed.
Its out of our hands in reality.
If we pull out at this point, then Mactough can be accused of not being supportive of ETH, especially his Priority #1 target.
Business is never linear. I do start ups for a living -- what you have planned in your B-plans is usually like 20-40% of reality once it all starts.
Plus in this case, we lost our internal transfer/scouting heads and also ETH came in right at the start of the transfer window. It was never ever going to be a simple transfer window.
We had to catch up on the requirements of ETH (since he has never seen the current players live) and its unfair to compare to the more established managers either.
Judge the Football department (Murtough) and ETH next summer's window. I bet they will be more precise on what they want and know by then.
The plan is not fine we are two days from the start of the season without crucial positions secured. That is not fine its a problem and it will mean we will either miss out of positions we needed filled for the season or the players brought in late will take longer to bed in and it will take longer for the team to properly take a clear shape which is detrimental to our season.
I agree with you. Nothing wrong with what you said. Poor planning from the club.
He'll stay, just no indication that he will or wants to move. Also now that Barca can register all players, it is even less likely
So you think we should move on from a player that we believe we still have a chance of getting, who we're still confident about and must be getting assurances from to go for someone else that ten Hag thinks won't fit his system as well, just because the season is starting? Why would we do that?
A team like us needs to be active in the transfer market. We waited too long, and if it turns out to not work out, our plan B options will be a)limited and b)magically more expensive than they would be had we acted before.
If you're happy to sit around and do nothing, while our opponents follow an active strategy to significantly strengthen, that's cool, but let's not pretend it's not an amateur approach.
I think this De Jong to Chelsea is a bit of a smokescreen for Barcelona to get United to pay the 17m of deferred wages.
Just looking at the midfielders currently on Chelsea's books. They have at least 6 decent players that play in FDJ's position.
Jorginho
Kante
Kovacic
Mason Mount
Havertz
Ziyech
Pulisic
Conor Gallagher
Loftus Cheek
Ross Barkley
Billy Gilmour
Kenedy
Just looking at the midfielders currently on Chelsea's books. They have at least 6 decent players that play in FDJ's position.
Jorginho
Kante
Kovacic
Mason Mount
Havertz
Ziyech
Pulisic
Conor Gallagher
Loftus Cheek
Ross Barkley
Billy Gilmour
Kenedy
At this point, rather than regurgitating/repeating the reasons for our current predicament, I suggest we do a pop quiz on people who seem to be like 600 pages behind what's going on.
That is all fine and they are good excuses for why the situation is how it is. But for those very reasons we have been amateur. Next summer they may be more organised and effective. But this summer has not been and is going to be detrimental to our season.
Rumours are he doesnt like Manchester, prefers to stay in Wolverhampton.
Sorry, couldn’t keep a straight face!
"Is Wolverhampton a good place to live?
Wolverhampton was named the best place to live in the UK, according to a survey by Provident in 2020.
The city was ranked highest for all categories in the survey, which included how welcoming the city is, how friendly residents are, how polite residents are, safety, upkeep of the area, trust, happiness and gossip."
https://www.whitegates.co.uk/area-guides/wolverhampton
And you mock
When did ETH come to United? Less than 2 weeks before the window opened.
When did ETH actually do the eye test on the current squad? Less than 2 week after the transfer window opened.
You rather he wing it and not bother to watch the players, analyse their strengths/weaknesses and then decide whether they can play within his system? Then do a gap analysis?
Again, our planning is fine. It’s the other side that’s a disaster, and we’re in a better position than if we wasted 60 million on crap like Neves. Besides, a later arrival in particular such a big one can have major positive impact, really galvanising an entire squad even without the minutiae of working together for weeks in advance when that excitement can dissipate, just ask Bruno Fernandes, for example.
Because we have bigger priorities which are bigger than getting 1 player. There is not 1 player in the world that fits the system. If that is going to disrupt our season and preparation then it isn't worth it.
Going into the season with McTominay as your first CM choice is the definition of winging it.
Chelsea have only just started their signings, are they amateur? Given the other options I am more than happy for us to sit and wait for an actual footballer
We are dealing with reality here. That's why the expectations for this coming season have to be tapered. It was never easy and linear what can be achieved during this window considering the short space of time available.
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No theres not, i agree, but if ten Hag feels de Jong is the absolute pinnacle of player for his position and wants him AND believes he can get him... why should we walk away?
Just because we're not making any noise about any other transfers doesn't mean that we're not trying. We're going for Sesko, and waiting on his decision. We're likely looking at other players too, but just because the media aren't reporting it, doesn't mean it's not happening.
That is not fine planning. If the other side is a disaster then you stop working with them and move on. That's how you make sure you are organised and prepared. You can't compare Bruno. That was a player coming in January in a team that had already had its manager for over a year. This is a brand new manager who needs all the players to understand a brand new style of football. When did I say we need to buy neves for 60? You understand there are lots of footballers? Market planning has been bad and I don't think any of the team running it now will be happy with their results so far.
Absolutely. But who cares about embarrassment? It does not matter.
We'll have bigger problems on the pitch. And off the pitch shows we are still not well run. Those are bigger issues.
Does Barca care how they are coming off in their splurges and treatment of existing players? Who cares what others think.
Chelsea have absolutely been amateur this pre season yes and so have we.
Our squad is worse than chelseas.
Something has to give here in the end. If La liga are still saying Barca is €150m short for registering players already, how can they get Bernardo Silva as well? How much more of their future can they give up for these payday loans?
Yes but this shouldn't be happening when the season is about to start. We should be going into our starting game of the season with clear idea of the team.
Hmm... slagging off a player for the sake of it is just embarrassing. Firstly, we know that FdJ is ETH's first choice. He knows with that small window of opportunity he has to prioritise. We cant build the club in ONE window.
Clearly, he feels that the 'connector' midfielder and the ability to speed up the transition from defence to attack is our biggest flaw -- whether you agree with him or not.
Thus FdJ is the #1 priority.
Obviously, there is a Plan B. But we have not triggered it yet simply because FdJ must have given ETH string enough assurances.
If it fails, then ETH will have egg on his face. And McTough may not trust ETH as much the next window. Its really a test for ETH and his judgement than anything else.
He can’t be forced.
If there is it's not obvious, and you should know that because we're historically terrible at this.
The old perennial transfer window question -- "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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