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Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Take that you Catalan bankers! Love this. You can sends us Frenkie now, we‘ll chuck you a few quid.
Sesko is nowhere near being ready to lead the line for a big club yet. Doubt them signing Auba has anything to do with him.
A lot of what has been printed lately has been opinion it seems, and is being passed off as fact.
I bet if Chelsea are interested in Auba, Barca have leaked that they're also ramping up interest in de Jong and people have ran with it. It would explain why most journos have included it as a little one liner in other articles, or not made a huge deal of it
My guess is its come from Barca which is why United aren't too fussed or reacted too heavily as of now
Exactly, if he is the one that needs to be bought, then offer a signing on bonus to offset what Barca wont pay him. Should be perfectly legal and above board from our point of view.
But if they are going for Aubamayeng, then they would have Auba, Havertz and Broja already competing for striker position. I don’t see why they would go and spend another 50m on Sesko for a 4th striker option who would probably be 3rd-4th in pecking order.
It's as close to getting it from the horses mouth, as we have had in over 1200 pages tbf.. someone who has actually spoken recently to the guy
I can't see why it wouldn't be. Or just add some very lucrative bonuses... £2m after 10 appearances, £5m after 20 appearances etc... it would be an easy way to get him his money and be all above board and legal as we could just call them "incentives".
That's the same face a guy made on a flat earth video I watched a few years ago when he was trying to prove the earth was flat.
Take that you Catalan bankers! Love this. You can sends us Frenkie now, we‘ll chuck you a few quid.
Imagine Chelsea bud to buy kounde off them. I’d laugh
Very true but think he's capable of developing into that role given the right setup
He’s spoken recently to him but if you read the article it’s certainly not FDJ saying “No UCL is a big a problem as the money issue” which is what you mentioned. It’s just Yorke giving his view on what FDJ has at Barca at the moment. Very different.
I don’t doubt that Erik has spoken to Frenkie more than once; he’s obviously not an idiot and must genuinely have received indications that he’s willing to come. But he’s not the only person involved in the negotiations. If Chelsea have offered the agent ten times the deal fee United are prepared to pay up, I’m sure he (the agent) will come up with loads of good reasons why Frenkie would be better off there.
How would one prove it? It’s an opinion/observation. Do you think their (Murtough and Arnold’s) activities this transfer window are adequate to address the needs of the team (in this particular extremely pivotal window)? Going into the new season with McFred as starting midfield doesn’t suggest to me that is the case, qualitatively, at the very least.
RE Chelsea, you are correct about the current situation but my point stands as without the financial doping of the last two decades they wouldn’t be in this situation at all. They wouldn’t even be an option for FDJ. I’m not sure how one could argue otherwise.
Oh I’m not disagreeing. I just wonder whether the agent will be putting pressure on Frenkie to do what happens to be in the agent’s best interests.
Yes an opinion after speaking to him. Funny enough we tend to have a better understanding of people's mindset after speaking to them. Its clear he wants Barca but they are up shit creek and running out of levers, and we are just not attractive to him to make the leap. Everything points to Chelsea hijacking this..
So are they *actually* after Frenkie, or has it got twisted and they really only want Auba?
Take that you Catalan bankers! Love this. You can sends us Frenkie now, we‘ll chuck you a few quid.
Any chance this means we finally get resolution on this saga by Aug 13 as that's the date players need to be registered for La Liga
Think that pretty much says all there is to say there. Looks like Chelsea aren't as interested as made out to be
I'd like to change my username to palanca please
I love the optimism but Chelsea have positioned themselves to hijack the deal is my reading of that tweet. They want buy in from the player, which is what we should have got tbf..
That’s beating about the bush now. This is the initial comment that was made by the other poster:
“Yet Dwight Yorke spoke to FDJ directly who told him no CL football was as big an issue as the money.”
Then when @Brownie85 questioned it’s authenticity, you told him it was stated in the MEN.
@Azhar88 then clarified with the actual article. The article is absolutely not what the initial quote stated. That’s my point. It doesn’t matter what an opinion is. An opinion of a 3rd party is very different to a statement made by the subject himself.
That or we’re sick of getting embarrassed by bidding for players, agreeing with their clubs, and then having the player decide to go elsewhere. Agreeing with the player first is what should be done.
I think Chelsea are waiting in the wings in case the United move doesn't happen and they can swoop in if it collapses. As its getting pretty late they're putting out feelers because they have to be ready if United move on. None of their big press guys are going in hard on it because they want deniability if it never materializes.
Surely if offering a signing on bonus was a viable option then certain the likes of Ducker, Whitwell or Luckhurst would have already mentioned it.
Come on. No sensible person will draw any conclusions from a bit of Dwight Yorke heresay.
They've pulled all their levers but didn't get as much out as they thought. Sounds like a personal problem.
Take that you Catalan bankers! Love this. You can sends us Frenkie now, we‘ll chuck you a few quid.
It may also be that chelsea have been told by FDJ or his agent that he wouldn’t be open to a move to chelsea. Hence why chelsea would rather just wait for some encouragement from the player before progressing rather than facing further transfer embarrasment. All ifs and buts.
The key thing to take from the tweet is, Chelsea’s links today weren’t due to receiving encouragement from the player or agent as initially thought. If that was the case, that would be more worrying.
And abandon "Eplel" - never
So Palanca 3 didn’t work, it seems. So what’s next, palanca 4 or de Jong sale?
As they have only been in the job a couple of months I’m prepared to be patient and give them this window to back the manager. If they deliver great, if not then we start to ask questions. But for all we know FDJ could be announced by the weekend. Let them work and judge the results.
I also think that a game against Brighton (and Brentford for that matter) isn’t going to break our season, especially the first two games of the season. I’d be willing to bet you a kitkat that we don’t start McFred against Brighton too. Have a bit of faith in the manager, he’s a top coach and has great staff with him.
Barca legit might have to go into administration if the European Super League never takes off
Also this selling off of club assets to fund further splurging, and NOT pay off their long term debts or owed wages, is some of the most incredible financial decision making I've ever seen at this level.
They were in deep shit already after the financial mismanagement of the previous presidency + Covid shutdown and have now only doubled down on the same path that led them to near ruin seemingly banking off of the potential windfall that winning trophies and starting the ESL would bring.
No matter what happens, this period of their club history will surely be a case study in how not to run an multi-billion dollar institution in the future. Fully expecting courses to be taught on it in the future.
Also this selling off of club assets to fund further splurging, and NOT pay off their long term debts or owed wages, is some of the most incredible financial decision making I've ever seen at this level.
They were in deep shit already after the financial mismanagement of the previous presidency + Covid shutdown and have now only doubled down on the same path that led them to near ruin seemingly banking off of the potential windfall that winning trophies and starting the ESL would bring.
No matter what happens, this period of their club history will surely be a case study in how not to run an multi-billion dollar institution in the future. Fully expecting courses to be taught on it in the future.
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I don't get your point mate. Did Dwight Yorke give an interview that lack of Champions League football for MUFC was an issue after speaking to FDJ at a game? Whether he said this to a betting site, MEN or anyone else - he said it. Whether FDJ said that to him as a direct comment or not, he was no doubt left with that opinion, otherwise he wouldn't have said it.. Does Dwight Yorke have an agenda against Man Utd, no chance, if anything Yorkey tows the club line..
My punt at this stage is the player will end up with a straight choice between us and Chelsea.
Given the leg work United have put in, it makes sense for Chelsea to get an idea of the players’ intentions first before committing further.
If that reaches the stage of Chelsea aiming to sort a fee, I’d be surprised if he didn’t end up there (assuming he does actually leave Barcelona).
Hope I’m wrong on that obviously.
Given the leg work United have put in, it makes sense for Chelsea to get an idea of the players’ intentions first before committing further.
If that reaches the stage of Chelsea aiming to sort a fee, I’d be surprised if he didn’t end up there (assuming he does actually leave Barcelona).
Hope I’m wrong on that obviously.
Someone mentioned this earlier but part of me wants us to not sign FDJ just to see what kind of additional disaster this heaps on Barca.
Why would they?
There are ways it can be done, hence why Barca are waiting for United to pay it themselves. We could pay it to de Jong directly through his contract or we could pay it to Barca in additional transfer fees and they pass it on is another way that was suggested.
Either way, the option is most definitely there. We also wouldn't be paying his deferred wages as such, he'd write them off with Barca and we'd pay him the equivalent amount
Barca legit might have to go into administration if the European Super League never takes off
Also this selling off of club assets to fund further splurging, and NOT pay off their long term debts or owed wages, is some of the most incredible financial decision making I've ever seen at this level.
They were in deep shit already after the financial mismanagement of the previous presidency and have now only doubled down on the same path that led them to ruin seemingly banking off of the potential windfall that winning trophies and starting the ESL would bring.
No matter what happens, this period of their club history will surely be a case study in how not to run an multi-billion dollar institution in the future. Fully expecting courses to be taught on it in the future.
It really is mental. They literally just said "Feck it - all in".
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