Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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8 weeks to get 8-10m in a lump sum post tax rather than say 850k post tax annually is absolutely worth it.
Probably the difference between keeping that 5m euro pad in Barca whilst investing similar in a new place in his new country.
Plus, I wouldn’t be 100% certain they’ll pay it.
There's many ways to resolve this issue. Barcelona could lower the transfer price and United would give the money as a signing bonus to De Jong. What it comes down to in this situation is the fact that nobody wants to pay these 17M. It's not a legal issue, it's a money issue.
Of course it is ideal. Yet it doesn’t mean, that their problems wouldn’t be partially solved via sale of, let’s say, Pedri, Fati or Gavi. They may be unwilling to sell those, but it’s entirely different matter
So they can just scam him?
He also said he’s gone from 60% likely to 50/50 and that he doesn’t think De Jong wants to sign for United
It is a legal issue, was explained a few weeks ago. United cant cover that apparently
It’s possibly also a tax issue.
It absolutely is. I think Utd giving it to Barca in the fee also causes them problems as they have to announce it in their wage budget, so would screw wage cap ffp too. Might have made that up but it’s definitely a tricky thing to get around.
No it’s not. He is owed over €20m a year for the next 4 years because he agreed to earn less in 20-22. If he doesn’t play at Barca in 22-26 they won’t pay him anything.
He agreed to deferred €17m of his salary from 2020-22 to 2022-26. He signed the contract. They cannot pay him his salary of the next 4 years in advance.
I don’t think Barca can practically pay him €17m now anyway unless they amend his contract.
Of course they can, Danny Murphy confirmed it the other day, a football with time left on his deal always “settles” with his current club first. That’s why top teams aren’t full of players just sitting on contracts playing in the reserves.
A club and a player always has to agree to a severance package. This entire fecking deal is held up because they cannot agree on that severance package.
But they are asking him to leave. How can you ask someone to defer wages to the future and then ask them to leave and give up that money the next year.
They kick into gear this season and run till the end of his contract.
Is it really in any doubt that they want to sell him? Is it really in any doubt that they can’t possibly afford to pay him the salary he will be due in his contract going forward?
Does anyone really think he has been paid what he is due up to this point if he won’t be able to collect the back-weighted salary in the coming years?
He doesn’t have to leave but Barca need him to leave. They have to pay him off. What sum will he accept? Nobody knows but it is the only way this thing ends.
Nothing was really explained since there's 10 different info regarding his contract. Also, nothing prevents Barcelona from using the money they get from his transfert to United to pay his outstanding wages. They just don't want to.
The issue is simple, De Jong is owed more than what Barcelona is willing to give him and United doesn't want to cover the difference. As long as nobody budges, nothing will happen. Barcelona is trying to make it sound complicated : it's not.
It's not a serious upgrade, swapping FDJ for Jorginho would be a marginal improvement to your team. You lack goals and defenders, Frenkie is neither of those things.
The crux of it though is that we know he isn’t owed the money legally, however it’s also true that legally he has a contract with them. Barca fabs and press conveniently forget his current contract, hence why it’s never mentioned.
if they want him to leave he can ask for a severance package. If he says I want 17m that’s his price. Of course barca can say no, in which case he can just stay on his legally binding contract. That is his leverage right now
or barca can try to force him to sign a new contract where he gives up his deferred wages, and he goes to half his current
Chelsea want to upgrade on Kante and Jorginho, while we need to upgrade on McFred. Difference in marginal improvement is huge
It’s you that misunderstood, it kicks in this season. That’s the whole reason his wage is so huge, and why they want to get rid of him.
I don’t think he said that. He said he hasn’t got any evidence that FDJ does want to join Utd which just means he has no idea either way.
Considering he's connected to United and Barca, that's not exactly great news though, let's be real here
This, a lot of people try to make it sound like a super tricky legal/financial issue. It's really not, the issue is : nobody wants to pay De Jong what he wants (or deserve) and he doesn't want to let it go.
I hear we've kept the No. 21 free for Frenkie. 2 of our signings who wore 21 last season have been allocated 6 and 14. Hope alive...
He kind of did though. He said he doesn’t think he has a desire to sign for United and thinks he’d rather live in London if given the choice
feck me, 2+2 doesn’t equal 28.
He has no proof FDJ wants the move, although he later today said “Ten Hag must have received some hope”.
He also has no proof that he would want a move to Liverpool, Bayern or City, but we know he likely would.
This guy is running out of spaces in the Barca team.
Just listened to this and it struck me Andy was talking as a pessimistic United fan rather than reporting absolute facts as a journo.
That's his usual MO though, isn't it?
Mitten usually has decent club sources but it's obvious he's got nothing on this besides the club stance of not giving up yet
To be a bit more accurate they agree on a mutual termination which can include a severance package but isn't necessarily the case. In his case he wants a severance package because he drastically reduced his wage between early 2020 and 2022 and no one is going to pay him what Barcelona were supposed to pay him, he is going to take a "pay cut" in his future club, if he forfeits the "deferred" wage he loses on every fronts.
It is, hence whilst he is absolutely a reliable source it’s not a tweet to hang you hat on. This is still on.
Pretty sure outside of his agent and his girlfriend FDJ isn't talking to anyone so I am not sure even club sources can help. On the basis of both his relationship to ETH and his agent having clients at the club I am fairly sure that if moving to United is ever firmly off the table they would have the decency to let us know so until that point we just watch the interminable staredown with Barca play out.
aye, absolutely.
Yeah he was asked where he sees Eriksen playing, and he said he primarily sees him as an attacking midfielder, but he can also play deeper.
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