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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 56
- Goals
- 6
- Assists
- 6
- Yellow cards
- 10
- Status
One could see already in the last match that he's improved a lot since the start of the season. Really remarkable job by the manager and coaches to build him up from where he was in August.
Thanks. That was hilarious watching it in real time.
Fred mugs Romero with that Brazilian skill, plays that poor pass and then wins it off him again all in the space of 10 seconds
Good performance, needs to do that each time he starts
He was horrendous Sunday but fantastic tonight. An absolute pressing monster. You just never know what you're gonna get from him.
This is just classic Fred. Great skill to get past a player. Plays a shit pass and then wins it back moments later
He also could have had two assists after playing a great through ball and cross both times to Rashford. Excellent performance. This is what I thought we would see more of under ETH.
I'm not sure if most fans will, but he does seem to have quite a few that recognise his qualities. I know there are a number of us on here that really like Fred. I will always like him, and when he leaves, I will definitely remember these types of games he's played for us.
Good performance today. Needs to keep this up and be more consistent.
Never thought I'd say this but what a midfielder he was last match. Lot of energy, smart movements and positioning, pretty composed, very good passing, great defensive works. More of this please. ETH definitely has a hand here never seen him like this.
The Brazilian Philip Neville vs arsenal in todays game
I would not mind getting this version of Fred more often. Probably his best performance in United shirt
He was everywhere..m
Credit where its due, very good last night. Utilized his skills in a good way. I've said it before, good engine and presser, but short elsewhere. Should really train on shooting. That "shot" for the 1st goal, hilariously bad, Lloris was about to lose his shit at that Spurs defender cause it was such an easy save
Despite the goal and his other couple of good involvements, the best part were 2 of those peach passes to Rashford that the later missed. Overall much better game than his usual level, but we all know his contribution will drop without those two lucky breaks he got tonight and we will get standard low level PL quality once again.
Yep. Having central midfielders who show for the ball… actually works(?!)
What an incredible take. He played well even if you don’t rate him you have to see that surely
Sorry I meant the wonderfully taken goal and his great indirect assist for Bruno. Is that better for your liking?
I really wrote that overall it was a much better game than his usual level? Not sure how you missed it.
Standards drop without two lucky breaks… no he just played well
Sorry I meant the wonderfully taken goal and his great indirect assist for Bruno. Is that better for your liking?
But you literally mentioned the two excellent chances he created for Rashford. There was nothing lucky about them.
What I find a little interesting is that the same people saying United were so in the wrong for playing Pogba out of position, and that we would see Pogba's true value when partnered with the right players in his natural position, still criticize Fred, but are not willing to admit that he has spent his career at United playing out of position. Partnered with Casemiro he's a different player because he can do what he does best.
Is he the best midfielder in the league? Far from it, but he is very useful. He has an immense engine and presses like there is no tomorrow. He's also very quick in short bursts, which he showed yesterday, where he can open up space and drive forward. However, his passing is very erratic. Brilliant at times, but far too often too sloppy. Some players look like they have all the time in the world (Scholes, Carrick, Casemiro), but Fred is the complete opposite.
Is he the best midfielder in the league? Far from it, but he is very useful. He has an immense engine and presses like there is no tomorrow. He's also very quick in short bursts, which he showed yesterday, where he can open up space and drive forward. However, his passing is very erratic. Brilliant at times, but far too often too sloppy. Some players look like they have all the time in the world (Scholes, Carrick, Casemiro), but Fred is the complete opposite.
I mentioned them because it is fair and the two best involvements from him tonight. The goal, his feck up and Bruno's second are imo just lucky brakes that we got tonight but we won't get often and without them what is left is not enough.
He was mixed bag imo. Couple of good bits and couple of shit ones. Better than his usual performances.
Take away those two moments and Fred’s individual performance was more than enough. He can’t do anything about Rashford’s finishing/Lloris’ saves.
This is just classic Fred. Great skill to get past a player. Plays a shit pass and then wins it back moments later
He also could have had two assists after playing a great through ball and cross both times to Rashford. Excellent performance. This is what I thought we would see more of under ETH.
I'm not sure if most fans will, but he does seem to have quite a few that recognise his qualities. I know there are a number of us on here that really like Fred. I will always like him, and when he leaves, I will definitely remember these types of games he's played for us.
I too like him. I recognize that he's far from the best player in the world, but he is useful. The criticism against him also stems from playing him out of position. He's a fairly attacking minded 8, but most of his career at United he's been deployed as a 6. He's not good as a six because he lacks the discipline and positional awareness, but he's pretty useful when we are pressing high up the pitch. He's quick, extremely energetic, combative and also very two-footed apart from his atrocious shooting.
Thought the criticism after the Newcastle game was OTT.. yes he had a dire first half but I thought he was very good in the second. Newcastle couldn't get out of their half after the break.
I mostly agree and it is why I felt that the criticism after the Newcastle game was OTT.. Yes he had a dire first half but I thought he was pretty good in the second which speaks to your main point. Newcastle couldn't get out of their half after the break.
That said I remember him coming on against Arsenal a few weeks back and really turning it for us at a point where it seemed Arsenal were dominating and about to to score. My memory of that 4 match winning streak is a bit sketchy but didn't he have similar roles in one or two other of those games?
I agree with you though that he is a momentum player but I don't agree that he should be sold. If used correctly he can be very effective. Sure FDJ would be an upgrade but I just like Fred
I mostly agree and it is why I felt that the criticism after the Newcastle game was OTT.. Yes he had a dire first half but I thought he was pretty good in the second which speaks to your main point. Newcastle couldn't get out of their half after the break.
That said I remember him coming on against Arsenal a few weeks back and really turning it for us at a point where it seemed Arsenal were dominating and about to to score. My memory of that 4 match winning streak is a bit sketchy but didn't he have similar roles in one or two other of those games?
I agree with you though that he is a momentum player but I don't agree that he should be sold. If used correctly he can be very effective. Sure FDJ would be an upgrade but I just like Fred
Very accurate and good summary.
You do know that most "experts" like former footballers and pundits think he was motm or just behind Bruno? There were in fact few sh*t moments. A few sloppy moments, but few where he ruined what others helped create. He was heavily involved in both goals, ran his socks off, provided an outlet throughout the game. However, if you want to find faults, I'm sure you can. I'm sure it's good fun.
On a side note, absolutely love the passion and determination shown by our fellow south americans!
Fred ,Casemiro, Antony and Martinez are all leaving everything on the pitch.
Fred ,Casemiro, Antony and Martinez are all leaving everything on the pitch.
I am a big Fred critic and vastly prefer McTominay out of the two.
Clearly, Fred had a good game last night and I’m pleased for that. That said, I’m going to be “that guy” and make a couple of caveats to his performance;
* It was an excellent team performance. Casemiro and Fernandes were two of our best players. Is that because of Fred, or did Fred look especially good because those around him were playing well? It’s a team sport nonetheless.
* The “out of position” comments feel a bit disingenuous when it comes to Fred. I agree that he (like McTominay) shouldn’t be playing as a 6, but that’s mostly because you want him as far away from your own goal as possible, since he is prone to gifting chances to the opposition. In practice, he isn’t a particularly effective attacking player, it’s just that it at least hides his most glaring weakness. Which brings me on to…
* He remains an incredibly limited player. Absolutely fantastic energy and pressing, but very little else. The goal and “assist” last night were both poor pieces of play and he happened to get lucky. As has been pointed out though, he should have had at least one proper assist to Rashford (whose finishing was awful i though) so credit where it is due. If Fred can start playing those sorts of passes consistently then I can see a place for him in the side.
This isn’t meant to be overly negative, although it sounds that way compared with a lot of the comments here which are frankly OTT. This was arguably Fred’s first truly good performance of the season, and I hope it continues, but for me he needs more to his game than simply running and pressing, in order to be a viable midfield regular for us.
Clearly, Fred had a good game last night and I’m pleased for that. That said, I’m going to be “that guy” and make a couple of caveats to his performance;
* It was an excellent team performance. Casemiro and Fernandes were two of our best players. Is that because of Fred, or did Fred look especially good because those around him were playing well? It’s a team sport nonetheless.
* The “out of position” comments feel a bit disingenuous when it comes to Fred. I agree that he (like McTominay) shouldn’t be playing as a 6, but that’s mostly because you want him as far away from your own goal as possible, since he is prone to gifting chances to the opposition. In practice, he isn’t a particularly effective attacking player, it’s just that it at least hides his most glaring weakness. Which brings me on to…
* He remains an incredibly limited player. Absolutely fantastic energy and pressing, but very little else. The goal and “assist” last night were both poor pieces of play and he happened to get lucky. As has been pointed out though, he should have had at least one proper assist to Rashford (whose finishing was awful i though) so credit where it is due. If Fred can start playing those sorts of passes consistently then I can see a place for him in the side.
This isn’t meant to be overly negative, although it sounds that way compared with a lot of the comments here which are frankly OTT. This was arguably Fred’s first truly good performance of the season, and I hope it continues, but for me he needs more to his game than simply running and pressing, in order to be a viable midfield regular for us.
Fred was excellent, his loose touches are less of a problem when he plays role like he did vs Spurs. It was 4-1-4-1 set up with Bruno and Fred higher up the pitch, Fred was very good winning the ball higher up the pitch and putting pressure on the player in possession. As usual his work rate is insane.
Fred .. Fred will tear you apart, again ..
Like Rio said in his comments post game, Fred being told by Casemiro when to go forward when to get back in shape makes it a brilliant midfield.
Fredemiro.
Who starts on Saturday?
Like Rio said in his comments post game, Fred being told by Casemiro when to go forward when to get back in shape makes it a brilliant midfield.
Fredemiro.
Who starts on Saturday?
I would go with the same team. The team played the best game they've played in a long time. No reason to change anything. Eriksen is back now, but can you bench Fred after playing like that? ETH has been rewarding good performances. He kept Malacia and McTominay in the team when they played well. I think Fred keeps his place.
Very good performance. Granted spurs had no interest in playing football but we totally dominated the midfield with huge contribution from Fred.
Good point.
It’s particularly great to see when you consider the record of South America players at United over the last 20 years or so. Which is generally pretty terrible. We’ve waited a very long time to finally benefit from a continent that’s always been absolutely stacked with talent.
* Fred added to their performances too so it's a moot point, like you said it was a great team performance.
* Fred is clearly an 8. Herrera, Cleverley, that type of player. A disruptor off the ball and a link man on it. His movement and availability for the ball is superior to Mctom. You agree he's been played out of position because he's been played as a six plenty.
*Fred is not incredibly limited but he does have weaknesses. He is suspect in the challenge and his passing can be very sloppy. However he is a modern multifunctional midfielder and the fact he starts for Brazil should be a clue as to how useful he can be.
It was a brilliant performace last night from Fred, nutmegging people, playing through balls, taking outrageous shots on his weaker foot from distance. He was feeling it and it was great to watch.
Freds pressing was impressive last night, we are so used to seeing him get caught in possession or persistently give the ball away But in this game he turned that on its head.. If he can play with that energy and cut out the shit passing then he has a place in the team. He has far more terrible games than good but lets see if things change now that He doesnt have to sit deep.
MOTM for me. Him, Bruno and Casemiro absolutely bossed it in midfield.
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