Get scholes out of retirement to play on the left and re sign becks for the right and I think we'll win the world cup
Franky Lampard
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Get scholes out of retirement to play on the left and re sign becks for the right and I think we'll win the world cup
That's quite amusing. He must have a hell of a lot of luck to have his goalscoring record.
I feel like this is a test for muppets, I wonder what player will be used at the next hurdle, it'll end with one uber-muppet championing the idea of signing Maradona
I've got a lot of respect for Lamps and if he was cheap and decent wages then I'd take him purely for the experience and too boast the numbers due to injuries but as a solution to our problems he isn't it.
There's no reason for us to sign him, if I'm being honest. Chelsea aren't going to sell one of their legends to someone who they would still regard as a title rival, while we aren't going to buy an ageing player who is past his best and won't really add anything to our team.
Lampard wouldn't really fit into our team. In fact, that's the exact opposite of what we need. We require more energetic midfielders who can burst forward and thread through the killer passes to our forwards. Lampard is the exact opposite of that now. He'll generally pick up the ball, and just shift it out wide to our wingers. Even when he played in a more advanced role, he wasn't knowing for being someone who supported the main striker. He was knowing for being a midfielder who scored goals. He's exactly the sort of player who we don't need.
Lampard wouldn't really fit into our team. In fact, that's the exact opposite of what we need. We require more energetic midfielders who can burst forward and thread through the killer passes to our forwards. Lampard is the exact opposite of that now. He'll generally pick up the ball, and just shift it out wide to our wingers. Even when he played in a more advanced role, he wasn't knowing for being someone who supported the main striker. He was knowing for being a midfielder who scored goals. He's exactly the sort of player who we don't need.
Why...we have midfielders who can score or even create goals?
We need both type of midfielders really as we only have 3(Anderson, Carrick, Cleverley) and in top level, you ideally need 6+, however we have versatile player who can make up for the 6+ well enough.
We need both type of midfielders really as we only have 3(Anderson, Carrick, Cleverley) and in top level, you ideally need 6+, however we have versatile player who can make up for the 6+ well enough.
Atleast we'd finally start getting some goals from midfield if we signed him.
How many goals does lamps create or score playing in a 442? There's a reason why he's never as good for england and why he didn't enjoy playing under Scolari.
Mate I think I disagree with almost everything you just said!
1. There's many reasons for us to sign him, lack of quality in the position even with fully fit squad and lack of other long-term players in the same position we can realistically buy to name a couple.
2. AVB clearly wants to take Chelsea into a new direction, out of the stone-age, Lampard being very much a part of the dated Chelsea team. United still play relatively dated which Lampard is used to. He may be a legend but I think AVB would sell him if it were up to him, perhaps not to us though.
3. I think if the price/wages are right we would buy him despite his age, although it's debatable. I think it's extremely harsh to say he wouldn't add anything to the team too.
4. Why do we need energetic midfielder's who can burst forward? We need a midfielder who is class enough to attack through the middle and the vision to play a defence breaking pass onto the strikers, Lampard isn't exactly bad at that is he?
I'm fairly certain this transfer won't happen either, but I don't particularly agree with your reasoning.
Lamps has many qualities but playing deep and spreading the ball/defence splitting passes is not one of them and Carrick is a much better passer than him defensively and attackingly. Seriously, if Lamps could play a deeper role and play make then why don't chelsea use him like that? Like I said if we were offered Lamps for a good price and decent wages I'd take him because of the injuries and experience. But as someone to come in and be a solution to our problems he isn't it. He won't get the goals from a deeper position and whilst he's by no means poor at passing or creating it's not a big aspect of his game, not from deep positions.
To be honest, watching him, I don't really think he's the sort of player who would produce for us. You talk about him being the sort of player who has the vision to spot the killer pass, however I don't see him as that sort of player. I hate simply using the phrase 'past it' considering it can be vague, but I think it's something that could arguably apply to Lampard. He can score goals, but would he do it in our system? If not, I don't think he has too much he can offer for us.
Fair comment, he's got very good link-up play relative to his final 'creative' pass though. If anything I think it'd be better for Rooney, as Rooney is pretty much being told to do the 'Lampard position' right now, and I don't think it works. I'd agree with what you're saying there though, in that sense a player like Hernandez wouldn't benefit too much, but hey ho!
For someone who didn't enjoy playing under Scolari(most of them apparently didn't), he was still their most productive player under him in the Premiership....with 9 goals and 5 assists in Scolaris 23 premiership games....which from my memory without backing it up, is better than any of midfields output in a full season in the past few years....his England ratio also betters them(although that is more juiced by penalties, unlike under Scolari where only 1 was a pen.)
I don't really want him, but I think he'd do a job on a 6 month deal(which is why it won't happen among many other reasons of course.) We clearly need someone who can score and create from that area on top of needing someone who plays deeper.
But how many times did he play a more advanced role that season. In a 433 you expect goals. I don't know the stats so you may be right but I remember them trying a diamond with lamps and him really not enjoying it under scolari before he went back to the more tried and tested 433. That's my point, in a 442 lamps isn't going to get many goals. Especially today. On top of that he's not really a creative player in the sense that we're looking for. He doesn't put players in with long passes or through balls, like a Modric or Silva.
Like I said due to the injuries we need numbers and experience where he fits the bill, but as a player who's going to come in and start creating from deep and scoring I don't think he's that guy, I don't think he'd do better than what we have when our players are fit. It's a lot harder to score goals in midfield in a two these days in open play.
Morrison to Chelsea, lampard to united? That would disappoint me.
It just shows how desperately people feel we need a midfielder when there are some advocating we take on Lampard. feck sake, have we really sank that low?
I a huge fan of the premier League Lampard (as opposed to the England version).
I got a feeling we are going to sign him .... Judging by his body language and remarks at todays Press Conference, SAF has obviously considered it and would do it if he could.
A 1.5 year deal, on reduced wages, say 90k a week would be a cracking piece of business.
I think AVB wants to make some 'statements' at Chavki and getting rid of Lampard and Anelka would do just that.
Over a 2 year period, Lampard would be perfect foil for Carrick, would not impede Jones, Cleverley or Pogba's development and would give the young us a remarkable pro to learn from on the training pitch. Lampard is a model pro, we could do with his goals too. And if he can maintain himself, he can take over from Giggs as the elder statesmen when Giggs retires!
In a 433, Carrick, Anderson & Lampard would be amazing.
Assuming we could get him for £5million and a £80-90k wage, its the perfect stop gap for our transitioning side
I got a feeling we are going to sign him .... Judging by his body language and remarks at todays Press Conference, SAF has obviously considered it and would do it if he could.
A 1.5 year deal, on reduced wages, say 90k a week would be a cracking piece of business.
I think AVB wants to make some 'statements' at Chavki and getting rid of Lampard and Anelka would do just that.
Over a 2 year period, Lampard would be perfect foil for Carrick, would not impede Jones, Cleverley or Pogba's development and would give the young us a remarkable pro to learn from on the training pitch. Lampard is a model pro, we could do with his goals too. And if he can maintain himself, he can take over from Giggs as the elder statesmen when Giggs retires!
In a 433, Carrick, Anderson & Lampard would be amazing.
Assuming we could get him for £5million and a £80-90k wage, its the perfect stop gap for our transitioning side
er .... no. He is a class class player .... even now at this advanced stage of his career.
Managed the right way, I think he could have a royal lust hurrah to his wonderful career.
I definitely wouldn't say no.
But I still highly doubt it.
But I still highly doubt it.
Flipping footballers, eh? One track minds.
Wrong thread sammy
@ everyone suddenly thinking he aint so bad after umpteen years of calling him a fat cnut
And he is "Franky" now, not Fwank