He probably multi-quoted both you and the other poster by mistake, and then replaced your original post with the part he actually meant to quote (a comment made by the same poster he quoted above, as far as I can see), but forgot to remove the formatting.
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He probably multi-quoted both you and the other poster by mistake, and then replaced your original post with the part he actually meant to quote (a comment made by the same poster he quoted above, as far as I can see), but forgot to remove the formatting.
If we want to talk about human rights, let’s talk about the rights of Christians in Muslim countries - they have no rights and are tortured, imprisoned and murdered by the state merely for being christians. That is conveniently overlooked.
Christians should give up their religion out of respect to local customs in Muslim countries.
Should therefore Muslims give up their religion out of respect to local customs in Christian countries?
It’s only fair
Insulting another member
What kind of fecked up statement is this? You realize that there are around 50 muslim majority countries in the world, Christians are killed in all of them? P*ss off with that statement you pr*ck.
Try and be a Christian openly in Qatar, Saudi, Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Yemen etc …… probably most of your 50 countries and see what happens. So don’t you dare talk about human rights and ignore this hypocrisy.
Explain please
He’s agreeing with you sarcastically.
It was a joke
I’m not agreeing. I just thought “it’s only fair” was a rather weak response with no reasoned argument as to why it’s fair so I asked for a bit more rationale.
You didn’t get it. Raoul is joking with you.
You’ve missed the joke I’m afraid
I'm from Pakistan, I've studied and worked with Christians. Hell, I studied in a Christian school where most of our teachers, and the dean, were Christian. There are tons of expat Christians in UAE, Qatar and Saudi because they work there.
What hatred have you been fed to believe what you're saying?
Bloody hell. Calm down. He didn’t attack you personally. Did he?
I'm from a Muslim country, I will take it very personally if someone says Christians are killed in my country or countries where there are Muslims because it's a statement about me as well. He even name called my country, Pakistan, later.
It's a f*cking hateful statement that is full of Islamophobia. I'm sorry but if I said a statement that Jews kill all Muslims they can find then it would very rightfully be called out for anti-semetism. I expect similar standards for statements about Muslims but I'm not surprised to see a particular mod joking about it with him in a later post.
I can see I got a warning for my post but that pr*ck still hasn't gotten one for his/hers post. Yes, I'll continue to insult him/her until he/she gets a similar warning or apologizes for that post.
You have been on this forum for a while. You know how it works with hundreds of topics filled with thousands of posts. Every now and then you gonna see some posts many are not going to agree with and even inflammatory to some. Look at this thread for instance. That post might be ignorant, It still doesn’t justify calling someone like that otherwise there won’t be any need for rules. That’s all I wanted to say.
It isn't though. My government are despicable cnuts, as many are.
I honestly don’t doubt your sentiment and I think that post was ignorant but I also think you are overreacting abit mate.
I don't class Turkey (or Pakistan or Saudi) as Muslim countries based on Islamic teaching. Because of what you've said in essence.
The basics are that majority of the population being Muslim isn't what determines that. It's the Govt and constitution that does.
So basically if a govt and the Constitution is islamic them a majority non Muslim, population wise, country is Islamic. If the Govt and constitution is secular then that country is not islamic regardless of the vast majority of the people being Muslim.
The case against Turkey, I highlighted because it's used as an example of a Muslim country that has done x y and z (response to an earlier post basically). However it was a country that persecuted Muslims and banned their practices whilst being called a Muslim country.
OK - I missed the joke - I was about to go to sleep and I’m recovering from surgery.
I’m happy to give some insight below on the plight of Christians in Pakistan. Of course, I’m not saying all Muslims have the same views but if anyone claims that Christians can practice their religion openly and freely in “Muslim countries”, they are deluded.
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In Pakistan, Christians are considered second-class citizens and are discriminated against in every aspect of public and private life. Believers who have converted from Islam are the most vulnerable to persecution.Christian women and girls are particularly vulnerable in Pakistan. Reports indicate there is a silent epidemic of kidnappings, forced marriages and forced conversion of Christian girls and women in Pakistan. These ‘marriages’ mean that a girl’s parents don’t have legal recourse to rescue their (often underage) daughter – and it is a widely-used tactic to persecute minority faith communities, such as Christians.
Christians, particularly Christian men, are often compelled to take lower-state jobs referred to as ‘chura’, a derogatory word meaning ‘filthy’. The Covid-19 crisis led to an increase of aid being provided to Christian day labourers only if they converted to Islam. Church leaders can be arrested if they don't abide by the authorities' wishes, and these arrests are often intended to act as warnings to intimidate the Christian minority.
Pakistan's infamous blasphemy laws continue to be leveraged to accuse Christians and other non-Muslims of insulting the Prophet Mohammed or the Quran. False accusations are often made to target Christians after an unrelated dispute, and even a false accusation can lead to mob violence.
Arzoo is one of the many Christian girls who has suffered from targeted persecution in Pakistan. She was 13 when she was taken from her parents by a 44-year-old Muslim man. Two days later, Arzoo’s father was informed that the abductor had produced a marriage certificate stating Arzoo was 18 and had converted to Islam. A court gave custody to the ‘husband’.
“Arzoo is a third-generation Pakistani Christian girl”, says a source who wishes not to be named. “She is one of many who go through the trauma of abduction and forced conversion.
I’m happy to give some insight below on the plight of Christians in Pakistan. Of course, I’m not saying all Muslims have the same views but if anyone claims that Christians can practice their religion openly and freely in “Muslim countries”, they are deluded.
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In Pakistan, Christians are considered second-class citizens and are discriminated against in every aspect of public and private life. Believers who have converted from Islam are the most vulnerable to persecution.Christian women and girls are particularly vulnerable in Pakistan. Reports indicate there is a silent epidemic of kidnappings, forced marriages and forced conversion of Christian girls and women in Pakistan. These ‘marriages’ mean that a girl’s parents don’t have legal recourse to rescue their (often underage) daughter – and it is a widely-used tactic to persecute minority faith communities, such as Christians.
Christians, particularly Christian men, are often compelled to take lower-state jobs referred to as ‘chura’, a derogatory word meaning ‘filthy’. The Covid-19 crisis led to an increase of aid being provided to Christian day labourers only if they converted to Islam. Church leaders can be arrested if they don't abide by the authorities' wishes, and these arrests are often intended to act as warnings to intimidate the Christian minority.
Pakistan's infamous blasphemy laws continue to be leveraged to accuse Christians and other non-Muslims of insulting the Prophet Mohammed or the Quran. False accusations are often made to target Christians after an unrelated dispute, and even a false accusation can lead to mob violence.
Arzoo is one of the many Christian girls who has suffered from targeted persecution in Pakistan. She was 13 when she was taken from her parents by a 44-year-old Muslim man. Two days later, Arzoo’s father was informed that the abductor had produced a marriage certificate stating Arzoo was 18 and had converted to Islam. A court gave custody to the ‘husband’.
“Arzoo is a third-generation Pakistani Christian girl”, says a source who wishes not to be named. “She is one of many who go through the trauma of abduction and forced conversion.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48198340.amp
“The Christian community has been targeted by numerous attacks in recent years, leaving many feeling vulnerable to a climate of intolerance.”
Yeah maybe it's nitpicking, but I just think it's a poor example. On one hand you have countries with Islam as the state religion like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, where you've personally decided they aren't really Muslim based on Islamic teaching.
On the other you have Turkey, a country that has political secularism as a founding principle since it became a republic. I don't think you need to know Islamic teaching to notice that there's a difference.
I read your comment as saying these actions (banning headscarves, persecuting imams speaking out against it) are contradictory to Turkey being a Muslim country or examples why they're not one "according to sharia", when they're rather a result of Turkey explicitly not being an Islamic republic and explicitly not basing their laws on sharia.
I agree with your sentiments and it is disgusting if they are treated as described in your link. All people of all religions and none should be afforded respect and equality wherever they live. I hope and pray you are just as enthusiastic and critical if people of other faiths and religions are not treated in the same manner in other parts of the world. Let's not be blindsided by just people of one faith.
Polite request: Can you please paste a link whenever you copy and paste.
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Attacking or stereotyping Muslims is a shitty thing to do.
Would you say the same about attacking or stereotyping Tories or Labour?
Tell me what the difference is between chosen
religious beliefs and chosen political beliefs? Both should be open to criticism and able to freely attack such archaic views.
Oh my, oh my...
Feck this corrupt organisation and the corrupt backwards country that bought the WC from them. I hope all important nations take the yellow and a second and a 3rd and a 22nd and let these people rot in their boring lives where armbands are mandatory because the ruler is absurd. Let them watch their conference level football as witnessed last night. We'll see if even the paid fans stay to the end
I knew Qatar was shady but this has shown them as absolutely pathetic.
Insanity
Just wear the fecking things, if you have to run your principles by the Fifa shitbags then what are they really worth. Make it a protest if you must.
Take the yellow card with pride. If some one is then sent off for a second yellow in the game, it'll just highlight why the first was given and what a disgusting farce Qatar's laws are and how weak, sycophantic and cash obsessed FIFA are.
Any team that has a player sent off because of a yellow for this should just walk off.
I couldn't agree more, I would be so proud of England if that happened, it would be remembered as an historical stand against homophobia.
In reality though, I am worried the FA will cave to FIFA.
At this point it's not only about homophobia. It's also about authoritarianism and national pride for the nations involved.
What are Qatari's gonna do next? Dictate the jerseys? Maybe all our players should play in a turban. Feck em sideways.
Kinda feel sorry for the refs if they're being told to do this.
If they have any sort of backbone they should wear the armbands themselves. (I mean they are FIFA refs, so we know they don't, but one can dream).
My friend there is a lot of Islamophobia in this thread and many others on the red cafe. You can’t react to it because they are totally lost causes. Let them hate brother, inshallah, they find Allah one day.
Would be great if FIFA ended up dying on this ridiculous hill.
Let the players take the yellow, then watch the inevitable happen when one of them catches a second.
If they've really chosen to play hardball over this because the hosts demand it (what else could the explanation possibly be?), they deserve...well, they actually deserve far more than being (further) embarrassed. But that would at least be pretty satisfying to witness.
Let the players take the yellow, then watch the inevitable happen when one of them catches a second.
If they've really chosen to play hardball over this because the hosts demand it (what else could the explanation possibly be?), they deserve...well, they actually deserve far more than being (further) embarrassed. But that would at least be pretty satisfying to witness.