Final Signing

Todd said:
I think hoping for an additional player beyond Ugarte is a pipedream; that being said, if we could take Reguilon on loan again I'd be pretty happy with that. True left-sided back and did a very serviceable job for us last summer. In fact it was a really bad decision ending his loan in January.
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So true but yesterday's game proves we clearly have issues at more than DM but too late and not enough sales made for any more
 
Because we're selling McT, we definitely need to bring in 2 midfielders, although we do seem to be toothless in attack.. 2nd midfielder will be an experienced player I reckon. Don't know anyone else available other than Rabiot who fits the bill. He seems to have enough pace to improve that aspect of our midfield and I wouldn't mind someone with even more.

Edit: While he seems to be decent at carrying the ball I'm surprised his passing stats are pretty mediocre on fbref: https://fbref.com/en/players/8794e251/scout/365_m1/Adrien-Rabiot-Scouting-Report
 
Think it’ll be Ugarte and like a few others I have a sneaky feeling we’ll go for Ivan Toney which will get done on deadline day.

We’ll sell McT and do something for Sancho which is at least a loan with obligation.
 
Adamsk7 said:
Think it’ll be Ugarte and like a few others I have a sneaky feeling we’ll go for Ivan Toney which will get done on deadline day.

We’ll sell McT and do something for Sancho which is at least a loan with obligation.
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Maybe if Ornstein was saying we wanted a striker then I might believe it, I know the likes of Whitwell have hinted about it on that recent podcast but don't think it has any legs.
 
croadyman said:
Maybe if Ornstein was saying we wanted a striker then I might believe it, I know the likes of Whitwell have hinted about it on that recent podcast but don't think it has any legs.
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I don’t disagree but ive got a sneaky feeling it’ll be a knee jerk based on the start of the season. I know we have a much better structure in place but reactionary decisions are not always bad ones if it shows you’ve identified a weakness.
Toney would take a crap load of pressure off of Hojlund and Zirkzee and I don’t think he’d stunt their development either.
 
Adamsk7 said:
I don’t disagree but ive got a sneaky feeling it’ll be a knee jerk based on the start of the season. I know we have a much better structure in place but reactionary decisions are not always bad ones if it shows you’ve identified a weakness.
Toney would take a crap load of pressure off of Hojlund and Zirkzee and I don’t think he’d stunt their development either.
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Yeah he would take so much pressure off, however fear INEOS think he stunts their development
 
We won't sign Rabiot. We are not going to save wages only to give +150K salary to a backup MF. Toney won't come either.
 
aeh1991 said:
We won't sign Rabiot. We are not going to save wages only to give +150K salary to a backup MF. Toney won't come either.
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You know how to put a dampener on things, what's wrong with a little bit of muppetry in final days
 
We need to be very clear about this if Scott Leaves for £25m and Jadon Sancho also leaves for maybe £35m then the club would have added £60m to the £60m we’ve already managed to generate by selling AWB, MG, Will Fish, Willy Kambwala, A Fernandes, Facundo Pellistri, DVB and M Oyedele.

Even if Jadon Sancho goes on loan to Juventus for a £7m loan fee and they pay his wages, then Ineos have done an amazing job in clearing out an awful lot of dross. They would have generated £85-90m of player sales but more importantly a huge reduction in wages of £1.2m per week before we purchase any new players.

The players that they have bought this year are as follows with rumoured wages ;

L Yoro - £52m/120k wages
M De Ligt - £42m/200k wages
N Mazraoui - £13m/100k wages
J Zirkzee - £36m/90k wages
C Obi Martin - £5m(tribunal)/15k wages
S Kone - £2m (Report) / 10k wages

M Ugarte - £46m(rumour)/160k wages
providing this is as done as the media says.

That’s a total Gross Spend of £200m with wages of £530-550k per week incoming. This means that the club has reduced their annual wage bill by £30m, removed 14 players and still might add to that number with C Eriksen, J Sancho and Hannibal, and spent possibly £110-120m net of which most has been agreed in 2/3 year payment plans.

So right now I’m grading this window in two parts, it’s definitely a 9/10 in removing players who should not be at the club with some being paid obscene wages but even with Ugarte coming in, it’s merely a 6/10 for incoming signings. None of those players we have bought are game changers, none offer the 20/25 PL goals we need as an out and out goal scorer and none are a creative BTB midfielder that gets you 15 goals and assists combined that United need to improve their squad.

Our team does not score goals, I saw some post yesterday about after 2 games we are second on XG goals, but can’t convert easy chances, our strikers don’t understand the offside rule or they are too thick to time their runs to be on side, we squander far too many chances and create very little from wide areas, whether full back or inverted strikers.

This is why we have scored less than 58 PL goals in the last three seasons, since Jadon is not wanted by ETH, even though on top form, he is vastly superior to all our wingers bar maybe Garnaucho, we need to move him out on loan or a permanent and add the following two players to make this an 8.5/10 on incomings.

United need to go buy Victor Osimhen for £65m and his £350k per week so what I don’t care if this guy scores 20-25 goals per season, do a loan with an option to buy and we pay his wages and Juventus can pay Jadon’s and go get Adrien Rabiot on a free at £170-185k per week.

Again I don’t care about his wages because he’s a decent 6, a very good 8 and can score goals and guess what if we loan Jadon out and bring Osimhen in the wages are practical neutral, Ineos would only have spent £70-80m as every deal has been set up on payment terms and PSR/FFP is absolute horse….as the club would have sold Greenwood and McTominay for £50m of pure profit, So Ineos let’s see just how good your first window will be?

Swap Sancho for Sterling or even sterling and chilwell and this outgoing transfer window goes from a 6/10 to a 4.5/10!
 
I would like to see us get a second midfielder on top of Ugarte AND a striker.

I doubt we'll get a 2nd midfielder though, once we sign Ugarte, but getting a solid striker would make a huge difference.

Toney isn't world class, but he's someone we haven't had for years, a bit of an old school striker who can stick the ball in the net. He might actually be good for us, even if its just for a few years and would probably relish the chance of playing up front for United. Hoijlund and Zirkzee are full of potential, but you need a guy who's used to the Prem and being pushed around a bit but can still spank it into the top right corner.

Bruno isn't the answer right now. Either put Zirkzee up front while Hoijlunds injured or get a proper striker in.
 
Woziak said:
We need to be very clear about this if Scott Leaves for £25m and Jadon Sancho also leaves for maybe £35m then the club would have added £60m to the £60m we’ve already managed to generate by selling AWB, MG, Will Fish, Willy Kambwala, A Fernandes, Facundo Pellistri, DVB and M Oyedele.

Even if Jadon Sancho goes on loan to Juventus for a £7m loan fee and they pay his wages, then Ineos have done an amazing job in clearing out an awful lot of dross. They would have generated £85-90m of player sales but more importantly a huge reduction in wages of £1.2m per week before we purchase any new players.

The players that they have bought this year are as follows with rumoured wages ;

L Yoro - £52m/120k wages
M De Ligt - £42m/200k wages
N Mazraoui - £13m/100k wages
J Zirkzee - £36m/90k wages
C Obi Martin - £5m(tribunal)/15k wages
S Kone - £2m (Report) / 10k wages

M Ugarte - £46m(rumour)/160k wages
providing this is as done as the media says.

That’s a total Gross Spend of £200m with wages of £530-550k per week incoming. This means that the club has reduced their annual wage bill by £30m, removed 14 players and still might add to that number with C Eriksen, J Sancho and Hannibal, and spent possibly £110-120m net of which most has been agreed in 2/3 year payment plans.

So right now I’m grading this window in two parts, it’s definitely a 9/10 in removing players who should not be at the club with some being paid obscene wages but even with Ugarte coming in, it’s merely a 6/10 for incoming signings. None of those players we have bought are game changers, none offer the 20/25 PL goals we need as an out and out goal scorer and none are a creative BTB midfielder that gets you 15 goals and assists combined that United need to improve their squad.

Our team does not score goals, I saw some post yesterday about after 2 games we are second on XG goals, but can’t convert easy chances, our strikers don’t understand the offside rule or they are too thick to time their runs to be on side, we squander far too many chances and create very little from wide areas, whether full back or inverted strikers.

This is why we have scored less than 58 PL goals in the last three seasons, since Jadon is not wanted by ETH, even though on top form, he is vastly superior to all our wingers bar maybe Garnaucho, we need to move him out on loan or a permanent and add the following two players to make this an 8.5/10 on incomings.

United need to go buy Victor Osimhen for £65m and his £350k per week so what I don’t care if this guy scores 20-25 goals per season, do a loan with an option to buy and we pay his wages and Juventus can pay Jadon’s and go get Adrien Rabiot on a free at £170-185k per week.

Again I don’t care about his wages because he’s a decent 6, a very good 8 and can score goals and guess what if we loan Jadon out and bring Osimhen in the wages are practical neutral, Ineos would only have spent £70-80m as every deal has been set up on payment terms and PSR/FFP is absolute horse….as the club would have sold Greenwood and McTominay for £50m of pure profit, So Ineos let’s see just how good your first window will be?

Swap Sancho for Sterling or even sterling and chilwell and this outgoing transfer window goes from a 6/10 to a 4.5/10!
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Yes, I've come round to the Rabiot idea, mainly as someone who could give rotation for Mainoo, but he's also an aerial presence, a progressive carrier, offers defensive work and could possibly play alongside Mainoo in some games? On reasonable wages and a 2-3 contract I think he'd be a good replacement for McTominay that offers a much better all round game. A midfield group of Mainoo, Casemiro, Ugarte, Rabiot and Collyer I think would be pretty solid (shifting Eriksen would be a bonus I think).

The noise appears to all be coming from his camp though.
 
DavelinaJolie said:
Yes, I've come round to the Rabiot idea, mainly as someone who could give rotation for Mainoo, but he's also an aerial presence, a progressive carrier, offers defensive work and could possibly play alongside Mainoo in some games? On reasonable wages and a 2-3 contract I think he'd be a good replacement for McTominay that offers a much better all round game. A midfield group of Mainoo, Casemiro, Ugarte, Rabiot and Collyer I think would be pretty solid (shifting Eriksen would be a bonus I think).

The noise appears to all be coming from his camp though.
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Yeah I fear you are right which is disappointing, seems they only ever saw him as a backup for Ugarte
 
I think for both financial and sporting reasons Ugarte will be the final signing this summer.

Plus the turnover in players has been bigger than I expected, so United need to let them settle in and see how the team plays when everyone is fit.

LB and LW can be the focus for next summer.
 
Woziak said:
L Yoro - £52m/120k wages
M De Ligt - £42m/200k wages
N Mazraoui - £13m/100k wages
J Zirkzee - £36m/90k wages
C Obi Martin - £5m(tribunal)/15k wages
S Kone - £2m (Report) / 10k wages

M Ugarte - £46m(rumour)/160k wages
providing this is as done as the media says.
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200k for Delight is ridiculous but again we have given players like Rashford, Sancho and Antony truckload of cash
 
I echo the sentiment of both Ugarte and Rabiot being brought in to replace McTominay, Mejbri and maybe Eriksen (maybe even shifting Sancho out instead to offset that). That would be great.

I don’t think we can trust Casemiro too much anymore and Mainoo is going to want a rest once in a while and we’re in danger of overplaying him, burning him out and injuring him at this rate.

So we can have Mainoo, Casemiro, Ugarte, Rabiot and Collyer competing for those two centre mid spots (a wide array of differing levels of experience there), with Bruno and Mount competing for that attacking centre mid spot.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah I fear you are right which is disappointing, seems they only ever saw him as a backup for Ugarte
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It's a shame because it would relieve pressure on Mainoo, which I think should be a big consideration now. We can't rely on Eriksen, as much as his passing can be a joy he just doesn't have the legs to start a game in the premier league.

I guess you can't fix all the issues in one window, after all we still have the left back conundrum, but I fear Mainoo getting Pedri'd.
 
E-mal said:
200k for Delight is ridiculous but again we have given players like Rashford, Sancho and Antony truckload of cash
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He was on £250k apparently at Bayern his contract might be £170k this year due to EUrooa League but yep far too much again!
 
I really think our final signing should be a striker with experience. I don't feel confident relying on Hojilund and Zirkzee to deliver the numbers we need. Zirkzee isn't even an out and out striker it seems.
 
Woziak said:
He was on £250k apparently at Bayern his contract might be £170k this year due to EUrooa League but yep far too much again!
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He is not worth that salary but again no United player bar the kids are worth their wages
 
Shark said:
I really think our final signing should be a striker with experience. I don't feel confident relying on Hojilund and Zirkzee to deliver the numbers we need. Zirkzee isn't even an out and out striker it seems.
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I think I’d prefer us to sign a goalscoring winger. Zirkzee may not provide the goals but he’ll change the style of play. Unfortunately for us his game which is meant to benefit the wingers won’t because we don’t have clinical wingers.
 
Chairman Steve said:
I echo the sentiment of both Ugarte and Rabiot being brought in to replace McTominay, Mejbri and maybe Eriksen (maybe even shifting Sancho out instead to offset that). That would be great.

I don’t think we can trust Casemiro too much anymore and Mainoo is going to want a rest once in a while and we’re in danger of overplaying him, burning him out and injuring him at this rate.

So we can have Mainoo, Casemiro, Ugarte, Rabiot and Collyer competing for those two centre mid spots (a wide array of differing levels of experience there), with Bruno and Mount competing for that attacking centre mid spot.
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Rabiot keeps getting mentioned but are we even in for him? He’s been a free agent all summer so he shouldn’t be that hard to get. Surely if we wanted him he’d be ours already. Can see someone maybe snapping him up late in this window but probably won’t be us.
 
DJ_21 said:
I think I’d prefer us to sign a goalscoring winger. Zirkzee may not provide the goals but he’ll change the style of play. Unfortunately for us his game which is meant to benefit the wingers won’t because we don’t have clinical wingers.
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Agree. Antony and Rashford are useless. Sancho is most likely gone. Amad and Garnacho are still pretty young. We need someone proven to score from the left. Not sure who we can sign though
 
Canucantona20 said:
Agree. Antony and Rashford are useless. Sancho is most likely gone. Amad and Garnacho are still pretty young. We need someone proven to score from the left. Not sure who we can sign though
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Ye I don’t see anyone out there. We need a Salah like signing. The only players that may come close play for Madrid and Barca and there’s no chance of getting them.
 
DJ_21 said:
I think I’d prefer us to sign a goalscoring winger. Zirkzee may not provide the goals but he’ll change the style of play. Unfortunately for us his game which is meant to benefit the wingers won’t because we don’t have clinical wingers.
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Bingo. Another (left) winger would be far more beneficial than a 3rd striker. Even if it’s a semi raw younger player, just having another pure take on threat from the left side would help so much.
 
Adamsk7 said:
Think it’ll be Ugarte and like a few others I have a sneaky feeling we’ll go for Ivan Toney which will get done on deadline day.

We’ll sell McT and do something for Sancho which is at least a loan with obligation.
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This sounds about right to me. I know we already have two strikers, but when did having two strikers ever be enough for United? Ugarte seems nailed on, McTominay appears to be a done deal, and as for Sancho, we shall see but ETH really wants him out.
 
If we managed to sell Sancho, Hanibal and maybe Eriksen. Be nice if we got Toney and another midfielder. But realistically cant see it. Hilarious if we signed De Jong in some crazy deadline day exchange with Sancho. Eric finally getting his man but can’t see it. Raboit at this stage is the most realistic out of all the linked targets
 
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We surely should be looking at selling Lindelof also. We have 6 Cb’s including Evans now.
 
I am far from convinced it will happen but if we did manage to get rid of Sancho surely that would mean 1 or 2 more signings, even if they were loans or a promising youngster.

I find it hard to believe we’d sign Sterling permanently but I could see him joining on loan and same applies to Chilwell.
 
TheNewEra said:
I think that's next window, defenders should be solved now with players like Lindelof leaving next year.

An extra midfielder and top class wingers next window I'm assuming
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Club have done a great job shifting so much deadwood this summer especially getting the wage bill under control. Next summer feels like we can start making a small number of big signings in tandem with one or two young players getting 1st team football.

We will need a left back. If Davies goes to Madrid there are two obvious replacements otherwise get the Girona LB as they are likely to drop off massively from last year given the players they have lost.

Will likely need a left winger to compete with Garnacho or a CF if Rasmus doesnt step up; Lino and Boniface/Vhalovic seem decent shouts.
 
The-Mezzala said:
If we managed to sell Sancho, Hanibal and maybe Eriksen. Be nice if we got Toney and another midfielder. But realistically cant see it. Hilarious if we signed De Jong in some crazy deadline day exchange with Sancho. Eric finally getting his man but can’t see it. Raboit at this stage is the most realistic out of all the linked targets
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Wouldn't be surprised if interested parties wait it out a bit for Rabiot as there is no deadline on signing him

Quick question to anyone who actually believes we are gonna get a surprise deadline day signing

How do you believe it's going to be funded?
 
So many on here throwing the toys out of the pram wanting players that make no sense long term.

Last time Woodward and Glazers put out the fire and pleased fans by buying Casemiro and look how that ended.

Long term planning and patience, please.
 
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