We will 100% not go back in for Branthwaite.
Final Signing
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Chelsea have made 35 transfers since Boehly/Clearlake took over about 2 years ago, United had signed fecking Schweinsteiger for LVG almost a decade ago, 35 signings ago
Very different situations
Oh my! Very different indeed!
Ruud?
Striker
People aren’t understanding how seriously it will affect us if we don’t get one
People aren’t understanding how seriously it will affect us if we don’t get one
I want Ugarte and a deadline day surprise please. We should bring Woodward in for deadline day, they were always fun - I don't care how miserable the rest of the year will be.
I'm okay with us not signing one. Chance creation and dominating games are the main things we need to solve. Hojlund's chance conversion rate was very strong. He just didn't have many opportunities. Add Zirkzee and the false 9s and I thing we should be okay at least to reaccess in January. The main thing is improving the midfield and getting the LB position fortified
Whilst I think Branthwaite would probably be a good long term signing, I just don't see it happening without being able to sell a other CB, and the most viable Candidate is Lindelof, who is injured.
We need a left sided forward. Mitoma would be dreamy.
Oh absolutely - it would need Lindelof being sold but Whitwell has repeated again today that we want to sell him.
To each their own and I understand that point of view
My view is that we struggle more with simply sticking the ball in the net. I think if someone put together a compilation of all the chances we’ve missed in the last 12-18 months, to refresh memories, it’d cause a rethink.
Højlund is promising but seems quite injury prone, hopefully just as his body is developing. And is still quite raw. Zirkzee will hopefully be a success but I don’t think he’s going to be a striker who regularly gets 20+ goals
Sold Greenwood, VDB, Kambwala, AWB.
Released and got rid of the wages of Varane, Martial, Forson, Williams (70k per week is madness for him).
Amrabat returned from his loan so his wages are also gone.
You can't get rid of an entire squad of dead wood in one season.
On the assumption the Ugarte move goes through, I'd go with left back. We won't have much budget left and that's probably the easiest position to address without causing major disruption to the finances. The idea of Shaw, Malacia, Mazraoui and Dalot covering both full-back positions doesn't fill me with confidence either given 3 of them have questionable injury records. I don't want to be hearing any excuses about injuries this season.
I'd like a midfielder but I don't think it's such a priority for Ten Hag. I think he's quite happy with what we have there (again, provided Ugarte comes in) and I'd honestly rather wait a year and see where we are than a large outlay on the wrong type of player, particularly when finances are tight.
Maybe next summer we'll have a better chance of identifying the correct player/profile(s) for our midfield. I don't think we'll get that right if we try to do that this summer and we definitely don't need a repeat of what we did last summer with Mason Mount. A left back is less likely to cause damage in terms of the bigger picture with squad building, particularly if we're able to sign a free agent like Hermoso.
I'd like a midfielder but I don't think it's such a priority for Ten Hag. I think he's quite happy with what we have there (again, provided Ugarte comes in) and I'd honestly rather wait a year and see where we are than a large outlay on the wrong type of player, particularly when finances are tight.
Maybe next summer we'll have a better chance of identifying the correct player/profile(s) for our midfield. I don't think we'll get that right if we try to do that this summer and we definitely don't need a repeat of what we did last summer with Mason Mount. A left back is less likely to cause damage in terms of the bigger picture with squad building, particularly if we're able to sign a free agent like Hermoso.
Ruud was out slightly less than a year (albeit entire season), while Malacia has been out for 14 months and it will be at least until October (16-17months), not to mention that Ruud'a case itself is also very rare
Unfortunately, few people think Malacia will be as lucky as Ruud was, but well done with the example
LW - do not trust Rashford or Antony and we're looking to shift Sancho
Hopefully we go in for Davies in January when he can talk to other clubs. Blow Madrid out of the water, 50-100k a week more than they will pay him. He’s a 100 million player and has years left to go. Our transfer team will hopefully be monitoring these final year of their contract players a lot better than we have previously. I think you could probably build an amazing squad with a few frees and just spending money on top youth. Do that for a few summers and you'd be flying it
Sounds a plan
Would be a left back for me too. I think we definitely need a midfielder like Ugarte, someone with bite, but we've enough players in other positions to get by, but not at LB.
Shaws a great player, but has legs of glass and god knows what Malacias doing these days.
We need a LB ASAP.
Shaws a great player, but has legs of glass and god knows what Malacias doing these days.
We need a LB ASAP.
Seems we have ruled out signing one according to Whitwell which is a risky strategy
Then we all know how this season will pan out, Shaw will play a blinder for 5 games, then get injured for ten and we'll be running around like headless chickens trying to fill the gap.
It's a disaster waiting to happen.
The correct answer is Central midfield. We have what 6 players that can all play LB. We really don’t need one right now given the state of midfield. We can review it next season and see how Amass is developing.
We really need 2 more midfielders on top of Ugarte. Hopefully shift A couple as well.
We really need 2 more midfielders on top of Ugarte. Hopefully shift A couple as well.
Say we bring in a top LB. What becomes of Shaw, who has not quite yet been laid to rest, and Amass, who looked brilliant in pre-season. Yes, he's only 16 but do we really want to spend big and block any path to making the first team? We do need depth behind Nazraoui and Dalot, however, and if there's a stopgap on the cheap we can bring in, fine, but for me a top signing LB isn't nearly as important as a CM.
Ugarte deal gets done. Then this is a 9/10 window
At least one between Shaw and malacia's career is finished. They had been out for nearly a year. We need a LB now. If things go so well that Shaw and malacia return in full form then it would give us the chance to loan amass
Malacia looks more likely to be finished than Shaw.
I would like a top LB, 2 CMs and a 9 but it's unlikely that we'll get all of that in the final 10 days. I think this thread is about which is the highest priority of the various priorities and right now I'm much more worried about who supports Bruno and Mainoo in midfield than a LB, especially since Shaw is expected to return in October and Amass, who is still a teenager for sure (and we definitely don't want to loan him out), looks the real deal.
But back to midfield...Casemiro does a great job for me but he doesn't have the legs for 50 matches. What then? Even with Ugarte coming in we're pretty light in midfield. Maybe the plan is to bring in Amrabat after all this time, which is great. But we cannot go into the midfield without address some of the holes in midfield. When Shaw does return in October we'll have one of the top LBs in the LB, if not the planet. We can manage quite nicely with Mazraoui and Dalot until then.
RVN, Luke Shaw, R9, Ribery, Ramsey, Larsson off the top of my head missed a season.
Get the feeling we’ll muddle through at LB this season with all sorts of players getting games there depending on injuries to our full backs. But next summer it will be one of the highest priorities to sign a 1st XI ready LB.
Ugarte will be the last signing, LB in January on loan as a stop gap unless we find a bargain
Marcos Alonso would be a fine backup as LB.
Eh, no thanks. We’re trying to get rid of dickheads not bring more in.
What about Chillwell on loan since he's been told to leave Chelsea, or at least I thought I read that.
huh? who else???
Whoever says Chillwell or Alonso needs there a heads a wobble. More chance of singing Maldini in his prime than either of them
It’s definitely a left back, as pretty much everyone has said. I am not interested in a short term type of signing. I can see the logic in Hermoso as a versatile LB/CB cover, especially good as an inverted option, but it would have to be a 3yr deal max, with a club held option of an additional 1. I don’t think he’d go for a 2+1 deal, but if he would, then I’d prefer that.
My top tier option would be Kadioglu. I have said in the past it doesn’t make sense to have another right footed left back option, but he’s still a LB specialist. He’s sort of a Turkish Dennis Irwin. Which couldn’t be a higher compliment. Of course he can also play RB and even DM as a last resort. He’s got tons of versatility, and lots of quality.
Failing that, a young option that can be developed would be nice. Some of the young players I’ve seen us linked to, I just don’t know enough about to comment. I had seen us linked to Kerkez from Bournemouth and I liked that option quite a lot. But buying from other PL teams is a nightmare.
If it isn’t a free signing such as Hermoso, I’d prefer a younger player in the 19-23 type range that could provide long term competition and succession to Shaw. Assuming that Kadioglu is too expensive. I am vehemently against signing players who are not good enough, just to provide cover. Such as Reguilon or Alonso. I would much rather give the minutes to Amass for lower profile games, and/or use players out of position in the short term.
Chilwell I would only take on a deal worth peanuts. He’s of the required quality but his injury issues are well documented. Yet he’s still only 27. If he’s out his injury issues behind him, he can be a very shrewd signing for someone. He’s completely frozen out at Chelsea and I would imagine his worth to them is just getting him off payroll. I would offer them mutual termination and we pick up his contract. Let them counter with something, but I don’t see they have any leverage at all to get more than 5-7m. And I’m sure Chilwell would love to be a part of a squad where he’s actually wanted and might play. If Chelsea want 15-20m for him, they can take a hike.
Chilwell, Chalobah and Casadei are all potential pick ups from Chelsea some adventurous/ambitious mid table club should be looking to make on deadline day for peanuts. They would all make good squad cover for most PL sides, United included. We are covered at CB now, and as I said Chilwell on only something like a free or peanuts. The first two are homegrown, which will be a plus to some. Casadei was highly rated at some point, and should probably go somewhere where he’ll get minutes.
My top tier option would be Kadioglu. I have said in the past it doesn’t make sense to have another right footed left back option, but he’s still a LB specialist. He’s sort of a Turkish Dennis Irwin. Which couldn’t be a higher compliment. Of course he can also play RB and even DM as a last resort. He’s got tons of versatility, and lots of quality.
Failing that, a young option that can be developed would be nice. Some of the young players I’ve seen us linked to, I just don’t know enough about to comment. I had seen us linked to Kerkez from Bournemouth and I liked that option quite a lot. But buying from other PL teams is a nightmare.
If it isn’t a free signing such as Hermoso, I’d prefer a younger player in the 19-23 type range that could provide long term competition and succession to Shaw. Assuming that Kadioglu is too expensive. I am vehemently against signing players who are not good enough, just to provide cover. Such as Reguilon or Alonso. I would much rather give the minutes to Amass for lower profile games, and/or use players out of position in the short term.
Chilwell I would only take on a deal worth peanuts. He’s of the required quality but his injury issues are well documented. Yet he’s still only 27. If he’s out his injury issues behind him, he can be a very shrewd signing for someone. He’s completely frozen out at Chelsea and I would imagine his worth to them is just getting him off payroll. I would offer them mutual termination and we pick up his contract. Let them counter with something, but I don’t see they have any leverage at all to get more than 5-7m. And I’m sure Chilwell would love to be a part of a squad where he’s actually wanted and might play. If Chelsea want 15-20m for him, they can take a hike.
Chilwell, Chalobah and Casadei are all potential pick ups from Chelsea some adventurous/ambitious mid table club should be looking to make on deadline day for peanuts. They would all make good squad cover for most PL sides, United included. We are covered at CB now, and as I said Chilwell on only something like a free or peanuts. The first two are homegrown, which will be a plus to some. Casadei was highly rated at some point, and should probably go somewhere where he’ll get minutes.
Honestly I think CM.
LB is a huge one but we need a long term solution there - a first teamer, not another rushed loanee.
LB is a huge one but we need a long term solution there - a first teamer, not another rushed loanee.
Think we'll get Ugarte and Hermoso
Are we here all assuming now that Shaw will not be able to play football this season?
Shaw is decent but best LB in the planet? seriously? Its not that long ago when Mourinho was pushing to have him replaced. It seems that Shaw had enjoyed the Fabio Da Silva effect were he keeps getting better the more time he spends in the treatment room. That's because once back all bad performances will be labeled as 'still recovering from his injury' which leaves the focus only on the good games.
With that out of the way let's now focus on what truly matter. Shaw had lost more games then Martial (19 games from Martial, 15 games from Shaw). He's 29, his career had been plagued with injury and he's got a history of not taking care of himself. So seriously I can't see how you can be so confident about him returning and be useful for enough time to be reliable. Malacia seems a goner as well. That leaves us with a 17 year old Amass and a RB who can play as LB but was brought to be cover to Dalot. What happens if Dalot gets injured? Exactly!
We need a LB more then we needed Zirkzee. In the STK position we had Rashford and Bruno (we're well stocked in both the LW and the no 10 role) who could cover the role. We don't have that 'luxury' as LB.
It's gotta be LB. It's great Mazraoui and Dalot can play there, but what happens if either of them get a knock and now RB is fecked. If anything I'm disgusted it wasn't a priority after Shaw went to the Euros with an injury. Was only a matter of time for him to be injured again
He's likely done as a regular starter. His bone stress fractures in his leg means he's always going to require more rest than the other players
Ugarte and nothing more, unless we get Rabiot on a free after Ugarte.
We need time to bed players in and not be a Chelsea, too many players can ruin a teams chemistry, we need time for players to integrate.
We need time to bed players in and not be a Chelsea, too many players can ruin a teams chemistry, we need time for players to integrate.