For the record, I originally typed "have an argument with", but edited it to avoid repetition of argument as it read awkwardly, and "go up against" was the first synonym that sprung to mind. Like it really fecking matters. But yes, well done, very amusing. Thankfully for me it rather highlights my point that you're an absolute nightmare to have a debate with as you pull cheap moves like that.
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For the record, I originally typed "have an argument with", but edited it to avoid repetition of argument as it read awkwardly, and "go up against" was the first synonym that sprung to mind. Like it really fecking matters. But yes, well done, very amusing. Thankfully for me it rather highlights my point that you're an absolute nightmare to have a debate with as you pull cheap moves like that.
A deal is close to being done according to partytown on RI, I've been a member on there for years and he rarely gets things wrong.
I (and the world and his wife) called it a month ago.Well we obviously can't. Anyway I think he is a target regardless of whether we get Cesc or not.
Ekeke, it doesn't really matter the impact Rio's form could have, or Vidic being there or not. The simple fact is we can't rely on them (or Evans, or DDG) to bail us out week in week out for being completely useless at stopping other teams running through our midfield like it was not even there.
Yes, a Scholes replacement in Thiago/Fabregas would be a great addition, but they'll do feck all to strengthen our midfield defensively. Fellaini is better than any of our midfielders bar Carrick. A midfield two with Carrick and Fellaini is solid and may even allow Carrick to flourish as he doesn't have to do all the defensive work by himself.
I don't even know if we are going for him, but too many people have got carried away with this nonsense bad attitude towards Fellaini. He is not my dream signing that will propel us to CL challenging status, but I would be well pleased to see him join us.
He is impossible to argue with.
He states that we conceeded the 8th most shots, as if that supports our midfield's protection of the defence.
Then apportions the blame to Rio. Whether Rio was at his best or not is not the reason our midfield was by-passed.
Rio would've been dropped if he was the sole reason behind the avalanche of early goals we were conceding.
As for match ratings, I'm not interested.
He states that we conceeded the 8th most shots, as if that supports our midfield's protection of the defence.
Then apportions the blame to Rio. Whether Rio was at his best or not is not the reason our midfield was by-passed.
Rio would've been dropped if he was the sole reason behind the avalanche of early goals we were conceding.
As for match ratings, I'm not interested.
I agree, very much with this.
I'll not lie, I'd be more receptive to the idea of Fellaini if it were alongside someone like Fabregas.
how much do you think he is worth?
£15m was a lot for him back then, but I think he is easily a £20m player now
Well tbh I'd say one of our problems is that jones/giggs and ando/clev don't really know cm that well to me and so can be positionally suspect, an actual trained cm like Fabregas would have a better positional understanding even if he's not the strongest defensively. Scholes before his legs went maybe couldn't tackle but he knew where to be to help out. The others don't show that enough. Plus the general better possession we'd have as well with someone of Fabregas's quality would certainly help. Against the strongest teams we'd probably want a third more defensively sound player in their, but in the majority of games I'd feel securer with fabregas in their then any of the others we have. If we got fabregas and fellaini that would be an awesome summer.
Fellaini would be a force in both boxes, and his midfield play is underrated. People seem to forget he will be playing with better talent that should get the best out of him.
I think he was a £7M player then and is a £12M player now.
The worst part about his game is the incessant kicking and fouling. I don't know how he'll get away with it playing in a defensive role. Football is almost at a point where it is a no touch sport, it's a curse for the likes of Fellani.
It should never be seen as either/or, that's the thing. They are independent signings addressing different needs. People on here talk as if they were mutually exclusive, which I don't think anyone in their right mind could see them as.
An insight into why the goons never sign anyone.
When did I say that?
Its amazing how you can go from top quality poster to Wummer with such ease.
At 22mil, I'd be happy to take him. Doesnt change the fact that we'd still need another CM though.
Deflecting now. Your mistake somehow shines badly on me. Brilliant.
Its not about me, its about the argument I (or anyone) puts forward. If someone else puts it forward its exactly the same - if there is a lack of points to debate against it, the argument is stronger. When a poster cant come up with a strong argument? Insult the poster. Makes you feel better, right? And if it doesnt, just wait till someone else cant come up with a strong argument in another thread so you can jump in and have another attempt at insulting the poster
Did the same guy not say Fabregas was a done deal?
Just saying, like.
Well depends how much cash we have to spend, the two of them would represent near £70m of expenditure. I wouldn't complain if it happened but would be surprised if we did get both. Suppose if Rooney did leave it would balance it out a bit.
As I said previously Fellaini is clearly a better a better CM/DM than Jones. Obviously he could help us defensively, thats not even debatable. Its just how he compares to other options and the price that can be an issue. And whether we need a DM to partner Carrick, when whoever we sign for a midfield slot is very, very, very likely to be stronger positioning wise and defensively than Cleverley who is still young and learning the role.
My point has nothing to do with that. It was purely to debate the lack of clean sheets last season. I think its clear that a great deal of that is to do with Vidic not being available for much of the season and Rio with some poor form. It wasnt long ago that Ferdinand could barely play 2 games in a month, so I think its over the top to assume Vidic wont be playing more this season than the last. We'll just have to see what happens there. And we can expect Ferdinand's form to be better overall than last season, plus Evans, Smalling and Jones to continue their progress.
Ridiculous - the £23m being quoted around is slightly high perhaps but easily a £20m player.
The only thing he lacks is pace and needs to improve his passing a bit - would improve your squad for sure.
Which proven PL midfielders have you seen move for £12m or less lately? Cant think of anyone in this agge range unless they were nearing end of contract.
Passing is what he needs to improve if he's to become a big success at a club like ours. Pace isnt really vital where he plays.
That's a bit of a negative considering people want to play him as a centre midfielder.
It's not just pace it's mobility - the cnut can't run. He's the same level as N'Zonzi as a CM if you want a big bloke who can't pass.
Well, the "compared to some of our own fans" part of your post sort of implied that unlike a significant portion of our fans, pete talks regarding De Gea; he seems to rate him so my conclusion was you believe that a lot of our fans don't. And in the case of De Gea, it's a very tiny, barely noticeable minority who might not rate him here and they can be safely ignored.
But if you didn't imply that... well then this utterly unnecessary and over-complicated explanation was even more unnecessary than otherwise.
He was overrated, now he's underrated. A decent player, but anyone who saw him clog it up at the Emirates in the dourest 0-0 I've ever seen will know he's not a top player.
Several fair points. I agree that we don't necessarily need a sheer DM to partner up with Carrick - not even in the toughest matches. It's all about the balance at the end of the day. If I could have Scholes back again in his pomp I'd obviously pick him over any piece of "steel" out there, and not for sentimental reasons either.
But the problem is this: If we could get hold of a CM of a less physical kind, who was in fact a better bet (remember that Fellaini knows the league - and he knows our manager very well, not least; he'd be a safe purchase in that respect) than Fellaini, we'd still need to buy a more defensive type to cover for Carrick. To me, at least, the latter is absolutely necessary. We cannot gamble on Carrick keeping fit and firing for yet another season.
Fellaini is both cover for Carrick and someone who can partner him - or at least provide necessary competition for Cleverley. That's the advantage he brings. Let's say time and availability won't allow us to buy more than one midfielder before the window closes: I'd go for the microphone. He is useful. Not great by any means, but useful. I'd gladly pay twenty mill for what he offers in this market.
Erm, so who underrates him now? Most of us against this signing admit he's a decent player but not what we need or should aspire to.
Yeh but some people have said such things as 'Christ, no, he's useless.'
He isn't. He's not top tier. He's a good PL player though.
Well they're saying he's 'useless' in the context of playing for Arsenal or Man Utd. He's great for Everton.
I hope he is wrong this time around.
Well I didnt say his passing was terrible but he will need to improve that if he wants to play CL football.
N'Zonzi is a limited but effective midtable DM, perfect for Stoke - Fellani has a lot more in his locker.
He is a bit slow, it is what holds him back from being the holy grail of the box to box midfielder - but he still has plenty to offer.
A bit of overkill in that post, don't you think? Do you really believe I walk around at 2am in my pajamas in my back yard moaning about Robben? My post was meant for dramatic effect and not to be taken literally, you moron.
Would you rather we go through the season relying on Andersons fitness, Cleverley's inexperience and jones and Giggs filling in?
Fellaini could possibly be the only option we have left and In my opinion he'd greatly improve us.
He's really doesn't, I'd take neither of them at £10M.
Why are people acting like this? What the feck is wrong with you idiots. Its Fellaini not fecking Charlie Adam.
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