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Diame is also a bit of a walking injury isn't he?

I can't see why Everton would now settle for less then the buy-out clause price - they're not desperate to sell him, so what's in it for them? They could get another season out of him and still flog him for the high-teens next year.
 
Well if that true we've got the dumbest scouts and manager out there. But I'm sure thats bollocks anyway.

Taylor's had this to say on the Guardian today:

The Guardian said:
On the stories at the weekend about Modric and Man Utd, Moyes definitely was interested (even spoke to Harry Redknapp for background info) but also had reservations about whether he sometimes 'disappeared' in big games. Latest info was that they wouldn't be going for him. The same with Cabaye at Newcastle.

Moyes clearly doesn't want to make a pig's ear of his first signings and likes to do a lot of research on potential targets. The problem is he hasn't shopped at this level before so it's all from scratch.

For example, Utd had been looking at Thiago for three years. Moyes thought long and hard about going with the recommendations of the scouting staff but, in the end, just didn't feel comfortable with it and decided (rightly or wrongly) Fábregas was the better choice. On Fábregas, it's "low probability" - they see it as a staring contest between Barca and Fábregas and their info is still that he is not as settled as he makes out (far from it). I can't see it happening myself and I'm surprised they haven't put in a bid that would make Barça think about it a bit more seriously."

Again, take it for what it's worth.
 
He's absolutely as good in central midfield. Cant play up front

No he's not, geez, Fellaini is the most underrated player ever in this forum.

As usual, I'd be inclined to trust the player's actual words over 'reports'.

I think that Thiago's dad said that we were interested on him, which is a bit more than what rumors said. It could be that we were a bit interested but never made an offer to them cause Cesc was the primary target. Anyway it is for another debate.
 
TN is the peterstorey of United fans. Does know his stuff but can't take any criticism of his club may it be as justified as it gets.
 
So Modric or Thiago aren't good enough, but Fellaini is? Jesus.

Don't think that it what Moyes think, but likely he is looking for a low-risk option and he knows exactly what Fellaini can do. Don't agree at all with this logic, it isn't the right way IMO and in big clubs you have to take the risks but on the other side it is the first year for Moyes here (and unlike Pellegrini for example he never managed a club that goes after biggest targets) so it's not unsurprising that he is feeling more cautious.
 
Don't think that it what Moyes think, but likely he is looking for a low-risk option and he knows exactly what Fellaini can do. Don't agree at all with this logic, it isn't the right way IMO and in big clubs you have to take the risks but on the other side it is the first year for Moyes here (and unlike Pellegrini for example he never managed a club that goes after biggest targets) so it's not unsurprising that he is feeling more cautious.
How would Modric have been a risk?
 
When did we ever say they were not good enough?

He's refering to Taylor's bit on The Guardian's transfer blog that I quoted...

Thing is with Taylor, his range go rapidly go between someone who actually has gained some valid information, and an ITK forum poster... so you can never be too sure.
 
Taking it from that Guardian quote posted above, where it says we weren't convinced by either of them.

Oh, well given how much sense that makes it must be true, right?

In fact, the Guardian can't write, as news, 'United have not signed Thiago or Modric this summer.' So instead they have to write something like 'with Moyes having been unconvinced by the likes of Modric and Thiago.' It's just unsubstantiated filler.
 
United will sign both Fellaini and Baines. They are signings which just make sense. Baines to stand-in for Evra. Evra and Baines can also dominate down the wing with Evra as a left winger. Fellaini is the steel we need. Come on Moyes. There is no need to pussyfoot around. We won't claim you are turning United into Everton. Promise.
 
United will sign both Fellaini and Baines. They are signings which just make sense. Baines to stand-in for Evra. Evra and Baines can also dominate down the wing with Evra as a left winger. Fellaini is the steel we need. Come on Moyes. There is no need to pussyfoot around. We won't claim you are turning United into Everton. Promise.
Dont agree on Baines, and I cant see Evra being stuck out wide.

But i do want Fellaini and I have been hopefull we would have wrapped this up 6 weeks ago.

That is why our dealings have been a shambles
 
Diame is also a bit of a walking injury isn't he?

I can't see why Everton would now settle for less then the buy-out clause price - they're not desperate to sell him, so what's in it for them? They could get another season out of him and still flog him for the high-teens next year.
McCarthy is apparently valued at 15-20m so I assume they might need to raise some funds for him.
 
So Modric or Thiago aren't good enough, but Fellaini is? Jesus.

It is obviously Fellaini plus another. I do and don't agree with Modric.. He isn't On Fabs level but you surely wouldn't say no. Its easier to get lost at Madrid than at United.. We take care of talent much more better.
 
You've wasted the whole summer chasing unattainable CM targets. And now, when the season has already started, you turn to Fellaini with a lowball bid that seems purpose-designed to piss off Everton. And worse you come back in for Baines by offering the same amount that was rejected several weeks ago.

Look at the circumstances:

* He's their best player (and you also want to take their 2nd best player).
* Selling him would leave them with not much time to find a replacement.
* Compared to Everton you have huge wealth and plenty of money.
* Everton now know (after all your failed CM signing attempts) that you are desperate to sign a CM.
* Compared to the gamble they took when they signed him, he's now Prem experienced and didn't flop.

Yet you come in with an offer that - taking in account inflation - is less than what they paid for him originally (and taking into account football-fee inflation, your offer is much less than what they paid for him originally). And what's more, Fellaini now knows that at best he's 3rd or 4th target choice for United ... which is not a great incentive if you're now expecting him to kick up a fuss about wanting to leave and thereby force Everton into accepting a low offer.

To call your strategy inept would be generous.

So what now? Are you going to waste more time by incrementally increasing these derisory bid(s) every few days? Or perhaps the plan - as you've done with Baines - is to wait and then come back with an unchanged offer?

Why don't you stop pissing around? If MUFC is now resigned to seeking Fellaini and if you want Baines, then make an offer that is actually attractive to Everton, one that makes it worth their while to sell. Time is running out: you've already missed the advantage of having both players in pre-season, but now with every passing day Everton are only going to get more reluctant to sell and the fee they'll seek will only get bigger.


Someone give this man some attention.
 
Jesus Christ this is getting tedious I dunno are you genuinely slow or just taking the piss. In my opinion he is not good enough to play for Manchester United. You clearly think differently which is fine. Simples.

Well don't talk bollocks then if you find it tedious. If he isn't good enough to play for Manchester United then I'm sure you will feel the same about most of the central midfielders who have played for the club over the last 15 to 20 years.
 
Dont agree on Baines, and I cant see Evra being stuck out wide.

But i do want Fellaini and I have been hopefull we would have wrapped this up 6 weeks ago.

That is why our dealings have been a shambles

If we have Baines, RVP will not have to take corners. That will be a massive boost to our goal threat from set pieces.
 
Don't think that it what Moyes think, but likely he is looking for a low-risk option and he knows exactly what Fellaini can do. Don't agree at all with this logic, it isn't the right way IMO and in big clubs you have to take the risks but on the other side it is the first year for Moyes here (and unlike Pellegrini for example he never managed a club that goes after biggest targets) so it's not unsurprising that he is feeling more cautious.

I agree and the bolded part is probably the one thing where you'd say Fergie and Gill should've left us in a better position. Moyes simply doesn't have the pulling power Fergie would've had and when you're in the market for a top class or even world class midfielder that can be the difference. Meanwhile Woodward is inexperienced. The combination of Fergie/Gill should've added that missing piece while they still could instead of leaving it to Moyes/Woodward as basically their very first task. It's not exactly a smooth learning curve.
 
Oh, well given how much sense that makes it must be true, right?

In fact, the Guardian can't write, as news, 'United have not signed Thiago or Modric this summer.' So instead they have to write something like 'with Moyes having been unconvinced by the likes of Modric and Thiago.' It's just unsubstantiated filler.

It's from Daniel Taylor - so it carries a tiny bit more weight then your average Guaridan peice. He's been correct on things to do with United before - and sometimes he's been wide of the mark.
 
It is obviously Fellaini plus another. .

I think thats a good point that most people are missing. Moyes said early on to journos, off the record, that he wanted two midfielders. One defensive, one attacking. I'd imagine Fellani was probably always the player he had in mind as the defensive player, and we have been working on trying to sort out the other one, i.e Fabregas, Modric, Thiago....
 
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Fellaini, wow, how exciting.... The Andy Carroll of midfield.


*Edit, just seen that picture above, Sam. Says it all really, we are like guy with a 12 inch cock in a night club but who has a pizza face, we can't attract anyone.
 
I think thats a good point that most people are missing. Moyes said early on to journos, off the record, that he wanted two midfielders. One defensive, one attacking. I'd imagine Fellani was probably always the player he had in mind as the defensive player, and we have been working on trying to sort out the other one, i.e Fabregas, Modric, Thiago....
Absolutely. We were always signing Fellaini, the only thing I don't understand is why it hasn't happened before now.
 
BUt he tried signing Fabregas, who he knows less than Fellaini too

Fabregas is a better player than Modric, dare I say much better. I dunno and I am not Moyes, but possibly after he couldn't get the dream signing, now he is looking for a very low risk signing. As I said not the logic I agree with, but this is the first year he is on charge of a wealthy club

I agree and the bolded part is probably the one thing where you'd say Fergie and Gill should've left us in a better position. Moyes simply doesn't have the pulling power Fergie would've had and when you're in the market for a top class or even world class midfielder that can be the difference. Meanwhile Woodward is inexperienced. The combination of Fergie/Gill should've added that missing piece while they still could instead of leaving it to Moyes/Woodward as basically their very first task. It's not exactly a smooth learning curve.

Yep. 2 most important people in charge of transfers have left and both of their replacements are a bit inexperienced in this kind of thing. It isn't a surprisingly behavior at all though it looks clear from outside (doesn't mean that this is true cause we don't know all the details) but we made mistakes this summer.
 
Diame made more tackles and more accurate passes last season than Fellaini in his last season in midfield (season before last)

Fellaini made more interceptions and the most fouls in the league. They both scored 3 goals from CM
 
Diame made more tackles and more accurate passes last season than Fellaini in his last season in midfield (season before last)

Fellaini made more interceptions and the most fouls in the league. They both scored 3 goals from CM
Didn't we reportedly pull out of signing Diame last season because he has some sort of heart condition? Or am I imagining that?
 
Diame made more tackles and more accurate passes last season than Fellaini in his last season in midfield (season before last)

Fellaini made more interceptions and the most fouls in the league. They both scored 3 goals from CM


You do realise that at the back end of 2011/2012 Fellaini was played as an AM.
 
Someone give this man some attention.


He's exaggerating in typical fashion but the post is pretty much spot on. Iif we did actually want Fellaini, we should have wrapped this up earlier. Even our current bid is quite low and tough to understand. Its as if we think we're dealing with idiots.
 
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