But why not just snap him up early in the summer, why wait until the season has started? I wanted him from the start but to me it looks like he is a last resort.
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But why not just snap him up early in the summer, why wait until the season has started? I wanted him from the start but to me it looks like he is a last resort.
It was always going to die down only once fabregas came out in public. That too was always going to be with the usual "I always wanted to stay" bullshit as he was never going to rock the boat there if the deal wasnt done already.
What might have happened, neither of us know. Whats public is that our 2 bids were of 25 and 30mil and were both rejected outright and very unsurprisingly so. No one is going to get a player of fabregas's quality for 30mil in today's market. We didnt even test them tbf.
I do agree with the managerial change bit as I said above. It did make a difference but even if they hadnt changed managers, 30mil was unlikely to be enough. Barca arent stupid.
I think Moyes wanted to know his squad, first, rather than just make a hurry bids for everyone.
Exactly. If fabregas never wanted to come, it would have been resolved in a matter of days. That too if we were stupid enough to chase a player without ascertaining his inclination to come and I dont think the ones running our club are stupid.
He would have come had our bid been accepted. The low bids coupled with the managerial change at the end killed it. Had we gone in with a good bid when Tito was still manager, fabregas would have been a United player now imo.
We bid for Fabregas and Baines a lot sooner
Aye, if we made a second bid which would have been too good to turn down (£40m +) we'd have surely had an excellent chance of landing him.
How long is a piece of string?
Why do clubs ever wait to the last minute? Check on transfer deadline day and you'll see loads of transfers going though.
I doubt Sir Alex has no input on the transfers in the first window. It doesnt take much to know our CM and what it needs either tbh.
I was always wondering about that, to be honest.
If Sir Alex had input for our first window, he'd probably tell Moyes we dont need a CM
I dont think so. I believe it boiled down to the manager giving him assurances. I think we had already reached a point that Barca were finding acceptable (or not very far off it). Had the manager decided that he couldnt give assurances to Fabregas, we would have got him for less than 40m
I suppose right up to the last minute clubs have a few deals on the go and on the flip side im sure players do too
Berbatov was never worth 30m, but sometimes the seller controls the market.
Maybe a bit late, but it looks as if this is old news as Everton's statement talks about preparations for the opening match. Surely we must have gone back with another increased bid.
We've always been a club that likes to do its business early bar the exceptional case. Our pursuit of players this year too started earlier. The later you go in the window, the higher the price you pay as the selling club cannot get replacements in in time or have to overpay themselves.
haha. probably.
True.
Fabregas was an easy choice, as this player would add absolute quality to any team in this world... and I would even dare to say this about Baines as him and Evra are best in the league, on their positions. Adding these two would make an instant impact, so he could do that earlier, I guess.
Moyes stated earlier that we're short in midfield, so he probably knew even before taking the job, we would have to sign someone on that position, sooner or later, including Fellaini... and from what I lately saw, Moyes doesn't really have trust in Buttner and Fabio, at least for now.
lets face it, would you trust in Buttner?
How do you deal with Evra and Baines competing for the same spot knowing that both are very good players ?
I'd play Evra as a winger and let Baines stay at left back.
Nope, but it was a safe deal. No big money was involved.
We'll surely cope if he'll go to Besiktas and if we get Baines, our left side will be able to destroy almost every Premier League side, without problems.
Dont think we can keep both of them happy tbh. If we buy Baines, think Evra might be off.
I hear what Geebs is saying but what he's saying is also just what he's 'thinking' like the rest of us. I see a set of events that have transpired and I've remained positive of our dealings in the market but we do seem a bit hap hazard IMO. And I see nothing wrong with some fans feeling we're pussy footing about in this window when it's clear we should've made some solid moves earlier to allow the nerves to settle post SAF. To say Barca were willing to accept is contrary to the very public statements made by them and it seems we were bidding because Fabregas hinted to us not because Barca wanted to sell. So IMO I don't think Barca were willing to part for a measly 30m as stated by their VP of finances. But that again is just how I view the situation.
What pissed me off about this bid is that we've had all this time to bid for Fellaini and we leave it until after his release clause expires to bid for him. Further to that, both Moyes and Woody went and announced 'ey look we've got money'. See Arsenal and how that works out for you. Clubs will want more and Everton now know they can push us since we've lost out on Fabregas and we're desperate for a CM. What makes us think 16m will get Fellaini with just 2 weeks to go till the window shuts and his release clause recently expired? I think we'll get Fellaini in the end but our conduct has been somewhat weird.
You can try and paint a rosy picture from it, sure, I've been doing it with a lot of our dealings but when one looks at the overall picture it's not looking great on our part.
What pissed me off about this bid is that we've had all this time to bid for Fellaini and we leave it until after his release clause expires to bid for him. Further to that, both Moyes and Woody went and announced 'ey look we've got money'. See Arsenal and how that works out for you. Clubs will want more and Everton now know they can push us since we've lost out on Fabregas and we're desperate for a CM. What makes us think 16m will get Fellaini with just 2 weeks to go till the window shuts and his release clause recently expired? I think we'll get Fellaini in the end but our conduct has been somewhat weird.
You can try and paint a rosy picture from it, sure, I've been doing it with a lot of our dealings but when one looks at the overall picture it's not looking great on our part.
I would trust in Fabio.
In the attacking formation we have Roon, RVP, Chicharito, Welbeck, Kagawa plus now Henriquez.
I'm sure we wouldn't have such a big problem with accommodating both left backs. Evra would be priceless on Champions League matches, while Baines would do his best in the Premier League, they would rotate and everyone would probably remain fresh for the whole season.
Evra could really use some breaks when we'll have almost three matches, a week, in the particular stages of season. It would help him sustain good form for longer, especially in the age of 32.
You want a settled back four though, surely?
Yorke, Cole, Sheringham, Solskjaer.
It's not impossible, mate.
EDIT: Buttner may be off to Besiktas if Baines deal will go through.
Likewise. All things consider Fabio equipped himself fairly well against David Villa at Wembley in 2011 and while he started that game as a right back I still rate him on the other side. Personally, I find the Buttner transfer baffling.
Back to Fellaini if he comes to United of course it'll strengthen our centre midfield, I don't think anyone is questioning that. The issue at hand here is that it won't strengthen us to a degree that warrants us paying more than Arsenal paid for Cazorla or Chelsea paid for Mata. If we wanted to go cheap there were other options as Spurs, for instance, proved.
who wants to talk about the important thing; the afro?
(though to be fair I just want to use the pun "lets not split hairs")
(though to be fair I just want to use the pun "lets not split hairs")
Now you're really getting to the root of the problem with this deal.
LBs can only play as LBs. It isnt the same with attackers specially the ones we have as they are all very versatile. Its impossible to keep both baines and evra happy imo as neither would be happy playing just 20 games a season. If we want to rotate EVra, it has to be with Fabio, not someone like Baines.
That doesn't make any sense...
He wouldn't have been my first choice, I was outspoken about him last season when the idea was mooted but I've come round to the idea. Everton played some very good football last season and he was central to that so I think he's a better footballer than is give credit for. If Moyes believes he can improve the first team, then fair play. At least it will give us some presence in there again.
Surprisingly not.
Im sure it can all be straightened out
Two slots for two attacking players, each. I think we could reserve an LB slot for both Evra and Baines.
If Baines deal go through, Buttner will probably depart to Besiktas, anyway.
But as Cider says, surely you want a stable back 4?
Rotating defenders and rotating strikers are two very different things.
We could go and sign McCarthy instead.
I would be quids up if that happened!
Agree. We're missing on way too many good CMs due to our over cautiousness. We seem to want to make safe signings and are happy to rely on Anderson, Giggs and jones rAther than take risk.
If we offer enough for him then we'll have Everton by the short and curlies.
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