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I read it on another thread on here.

What's wrong with these comments? Is he the first guy ever to ask for a payrise? The only crap I see is the this thread. Truthfully, I'd rather we sell him, but this pathetic hunt/agenda against him from "our" fans just goes to show how ridiculous football "supporters" have become.

"Man believes his in his abilities and ask for payrise at current employer"

Redcafe: "How fecking dare he?"
 
What's wrong with these comments? Is he the first guy ever to ask for a payrise? The only crap I see is the this thread. Truthfully, I'd rather we sell him, but this pathetic hunt/agenda against him from "our" fans just goes to show how ridiculous football "supporters" have become.

"Man believes his in his abilities and ask for payrise at current employer"

Redcafe: "How fecking dare he?"

I'd completely agree with most of that, but the crux of the problem, is the fact he isn't even considered a 1st team player. He doesn't start games, and has featured very little. Why bow to his demands with that in mind?

He ain't no Rooney, that's for damn sure.
 
I'd completely agree with most of that, but the crux of the problem, is the fact he isn't even considered a 1st team player. He doesn't start games, and has featured very little. Why bow to his demands with that in mind?

He ain't no Rooney, that's for damn sure.

No-ones bowing. We have an offer on the table which we deem acceptable given the circumstances and we're not budging. He has every right in the world to say and believe whatever he likes. The outrage is truly unbelievable.
 
What's wrong with these comments? Is he the first guy ever to ask for a payrise? The only crap I see is the this thread. Truthfully, I'd rather we sell him, but this pathetic hunt/agenda against him from "our" fans just goes to show how ridiculous football "supporters" have become.

"Man believes his in his abilities and ask for payrise at current employer"

Redcafe: "How fecking dare he?"
Payrise is for key members of the team, not for bit part player who is 30. He clearly is demanding too much, agent and Fellaini obviously think he offers more than he's been offered. Otherwise why is he struggling to find another club that will meet his demands. I don't think he's deserved the abuse from United fans during his stay, he's been massively disrespectful towards the club in interviews lately. Best for everyone he moves on, he isn't wanted or welcome now.
 
We need him gone ASAP, I think the lack of players moving on from the club (Darmian as well) are what's holding us back in the market, we already have a bloated squad and regardless of their qualities they get paid very well and you can't just add more players without some going.
The problem is that everyone knows we want to sell these players and noone wants to pay over the odds, we wanna get decent money. I for one never liked when we let players go cheapely. If we manage to get something for Darmian or Fellaini(is he out of the contract this summer?) It will be a masterpiece. I don't understand how owuld be anyone willing to pay for Darmian anything. He's total shite. Other thing would be if Darmian manages somehow to stay. Then I would question our ability in the transfer market.

Also I think the best way to do it owuld be reach the agreement at the same time. Because in case we sell Darmian first. We will be even more obvious in a need of fullback. If we sell him after we get a new FB, he will be even bigger surplus. So maybe this has something to do with that a bit too. I wonder how much we get for Blind, he!d easily be 20m pounds in todays market..
 
No-ones bowing. We have an offer on the table which we deem acceptable given the circumstances and we're not budging. He has every right in the world to say and believe whatever he likes. The outrage is truly unbelievable.

But is it right to think, he's delivered an ultimatum? Either pay up or he's off?

I think that's the problem most fans have, that and the fact he's bloody lucky to be playing for us anyway considering his ability, or lack of it.
 
But is it right to think, he's delivered an ultimatum? Either pay up or he's off?

I think that's the problem most fans have, that and the fact he's bloody lucky to be playing for us anyway considering his ability, or lack of it.

He probably is lucky, but plenty of shite players have played for us before and in fairness to him, he's scored some very important goals for us.

@Morpheus 7 How has he disrespected the club? No bad words, no mouthing off, no discontent, just simply stated the situation.
 
I read it on another thread on here.
wow if he was as important to Mourinho as he think he is we would offer him a new lucrative contract. He's just a squadie for Mourinho which can be somehow justified with the money he's given now and Mou will not come out and say he doesn't count with the player so he would put him into transfer market while making his value drop because he wasn't needed.. I reckon we gave him 2 years extension with slightly better contract, just to make him stay and give him few games here and there but we would still be selling him because we would be getting new replacements and keep rebuilding, he obviously he's not part of our rebuilding...
 
@Di Maria's angel, his arrogant interview with Sport Magazine last month. Speaking about how the club made a error and how he is a position of power, you can't read that and say that interview was respectful. If you read the interview, there is no way he had respect and he deserves what he gets now. Good riddance is what I say, let's get a better player who wants to be here.
 
What are you talking about? His statement is spot on. How would you then rate his following qualities?

1) Short & Long passing. Weight and accuracy?

His short game(right and left foot), one touch or two is as good as anybody we've got in midfield at the moment, granted he hasn't got, or more likely he prefers not risking losing possession with the Hollywood diagonals of a Paul Pogba, but let's be honest only one out of four of PP's hit the intended target anyway, so....

2) Football intelligence as in vision, abilities to read the game in the defensive and offensive scheme during a match. Does he have an eye for a defence splitting pass? Does he track back runners making movements off the ball to help out our defence?

Not sure what vision has to do with game intelligence, you either have it or you don't, but instinctively knowing where to be at any given time, and again he is as good as anybody we currently have(Matic maybe has it, but he's had to work at it, but don't tell me Pogba or Herrera have it as they spend most of the game in, and out of possession catching up with the game at their own pace), and of course he tracks runners, his best position is, and always has been is a defensive midfielder, that's where he made his name, and tracking runners, and knowing when to pass players on is one of his strengths.

3) Technique in terms of dribbling, ball control from a high or hard or fast pass, dribbling, body feints or abilities and composure with the ball from pressing and in tight spaces?

He's a defensive midfielder, why would you want him to dribble ?

Chest control i give him a worldclass given its such a rare quality.

Steady on, that was nearly a compliment :lol:

Feel free to add on qualities which support the definition of passing, technique and football intelligence.
 
@Di Maria's angel, his arrogant interview with Sport Magazine last month. Speaking about how the club made a error and how he is a position of power, you can't read that and say that interview was respectful. If you read the interview, there is no way he had respect and he deserves what he gets now. Good riddance is what I say, let's get a better player who wants to be here.

To be fair to Fellaini, he hasn't exactly been treated well by our fanbase either, including the match-going fans who have booed him on more than one occasion, so with that in mind I don't really think we're in a position to demand too much respect from him.
 
To be fair to Fellaini, he hasn't exactly been treated well by our fanbase either, including the match-going fans who have booed him on more than one occasion, so with that in mind I don't really think we're in a position to demand too much respect from him.
Yeah I would agree with that, a portion at Old Trafford let themselves down that day. I never had a huge issue with Fellaini at United except for the elbowing and getting sent off in the derby. I think he's a plan C and and a squad player that could be useful, overused by managers and that's not his fault. As I said, best for everyone if he moves on. There has never been the connection there, rather he went.
 
I’ve nothing against Fellaini, but that very much looks like him publicly holding the club to ransom. Doesn’t sit right with me.
 
Starting to think you don't rate him :lol:

NO, he is one of a few players we have signed I hated us signing and still really dont rate at all but wont open can of worms with naming some of the others that people would say "what how can you moan about him" etc etc. Saying that I never rated Harry Kane and we big on us signing Renato Sanches last summer.
Fellaini though is a different kettle of fish, he just isnt a United type of player or class of player I dont like anything about him apart from his effort and the apparent contract thing going on now....meh
 
No-ones bowing. We have an offer on the table which we deem acceptable given the circumstances and we're not budging. He has every right in the world to say and believe whatever he likes. The outrage is truly unbelievable.

To be fair the outrage comes from the fact he's holding the club hostage, and the fact he isn't committed to the club. I want Fellaini out, always have hated the guy, but my outrage isn't coming from that and the wage demands, it's the fact he isn't committing, and Mourinho is still begging him to stay. My outrage also comes from the fact that if Martial put Mourinho in this position, he'd be out of the club the next day. It's also from the fact that City are busy bidding for Jorginho strengthening their club whilst we stall and try to negotiate with Fellaini instead of finding a replacement for him.

Fellaini is not good enough for United anyway, should be playing in the Championship. He's clearly not committed, and it pains me to why Mourinho still tries to convince him to stay. If they are not committed, they shouldn't be here. I've always believed our club is about Passion, Fellaini has none of it. It's why I love Herrera and Lukaku, these two set an example of what it's like to play at such a club. Fellaini needs to meet those standards or get out. I want him to get out regardless tbh.
 
NO, he is one of a few players we have signed I hated us signing and still really dont rate at all but wont open can of worms with naming some of the others that people would say "what how can you moan about him" etc etc. Saying that I never rated Harry Kane and we big on us signing Renato Sanches last summer.
Fellaini though is a different kettle of fish, he just isnt a United type of player or class of player I dont like anything about him apart from his effort and the apparent contract thing going on now....meh

No problem, it would be boring if we all agreed on every player, the forum would slowly grind to a halt if we did.

Was the same with Kane, could never understand why he got selected ahead of Will Keane (when he was flying in our Reserve team) for various England under age sides, he looked average at best and that's being kind, with my parochial head on thought he was only selected because he came from London/the SE
 
Not sure what vision has to do with game intelligence, you either have it or you don't, but instinctively knowing where to be at any given time, and again he is as good as anybody we currently have(Matic maybe has it, but he's had to work at it, but don't tell me Pogba or Herrera have it as they spend most of the game in, and out of possession catching up with the game at their own pace), and of course he tracks runners, his best position is, and always has been is a defensive midfielder, that's where he made his name, and tracking runners, and knowing when to pass players on is one of his strengths.

He's a defensive midfielder, why would you want him to dribble ?

He's very rarely played as a defensive midfielder for us, certainly not many times under Mourinho. He's played games sitting deeper in a 2 or 3 man midfield sure. But not since the start of last season (16/17) that i can remember, has Mourinho trusted him to play the defensive midfield anchorman role that Matic occupies for him. He tried Fellaini there and quickly realized it was a bad idea, much like Van Gaal before him, theres a reason for that he's just not very good in the position.

It's been a long time since he's played regularly as a Defensive midfielder mate, probably not since his early Everton days. Moyes also figured out his talents and attributes are much better utilized further up the pitch, as far away from your own box as possible.

So his last 3 club managers (not to mention Wilmots for Belgium) have all decided his best position is further up the pitch, yet you disagree. I'm genuinely interested mate what makes you think his best position is as a DM?
 
He's very rarely played as a defensive midfielder for us, certainly not many times under Mourinho. He's played games sitting deeper in a 2 or 3 man midfield sure. But not since the start of last season (16/17) that i can remember, has Mourinho trusted him to play the defensive midfield anchorman role that Matic occupies for him. He tried Fellaini there and quickly realized it was a bad idea, much like Van Gaal before him, theres a reason for that he's just not very good in the position.

It's been a long time since he's played regularly as a Defensive midfielder mate, probably not since his early Everton days. Moyes also figured out his talents and attributes are much better utilized further up the pitch, as far away from your own box as possible.

So his last 3 club managers (not to mention Wilmots for Belgium) have all decided his best position is further up the pitch, yet you disagree. I'm genuinely interested mate what makes you think his best position is as a DM?

He came on last night for Belgium(ht sub for Dembélé)against Portugal and played just in front of the back-four as he has most of his International career(usually alongside Witsel), and made the job look easy as he usually does when he plays there, his problem of late for Belgium has been that he does a passable(pardon the pun) job further forward and with none of Benteke, Origi, Miralles and Batshuayi pulling up trees for the National team, and Mertens preferring to play wide Fellaini is regularly pushed further forward to support Lukaku, which in turn allowed Nainggolan and Dembélé to get games in midfield that they wouldn't have done otherwise.

Don't think Moyes had an option but to play Fellaini further up the field mate, he didn't have a fit striker, nor the money to spend on a new one so it was either Fellaini or one of the other midfielders and the tallest of the rest was 5' 8"(in heels :lol:)

And I think we all know why Mourinho prefers him up higher up the pitch, and it's got nothing(in my humble opinion) to do with him not trusting him further back
 
He came on last night for Belgium(ht sub for Dembélé)against Portugal and played just in front of the back-four as he has most of his International career(

Don't know if that is true or not mate, it may well be. But almost every time i watched him for Belgium (which granted isn't a lot) he didn't play as a DM. We also have quotes from Wilmots who managed him for 4 years saying he thinks his best position is as a box to box midfielder.

Don't think Moyes had an option but to play Fellaini further up the field mate, he didn't have a fit striker, nor the money to spend on a new one so it was either Fellaini or one of the other midfielders and the tallest of the rest was 5' 8"(in heels :lol:)

Moyes had Jelavic and played Fellaini behind him. Fellaini's best seasons at Everton were playing behind the striker. Thats where he was most effective.

And I think we all know why Mourinho prefers him up higher up the pitch, and it's got nothing(in my humble opinion) to do with him not trusting him further back

Yeah because like most United fans he can see he's not very good defensively in and around the box. Setting aside the series of managers who think he's better further forward. We also have quotes from ex-teammates like Rio Ferdinand and Leon Osman who also seem to think his best position is further up the pitch. He's played less than a quarter of his career games as a DM. According to TransferMarkt stats anyway, theres a reason for that i assume.

What do you base this opinion on mate? What aspects of Fellaini's game do you think not only make him an option at DM but that it's actually his best position?
 
What's wrong with these comments? Is he the first guy ever to ask for a payrise? The only crap I see is the this thread. Truthfully, I'd rather we sell him, but this pathetic hunt/agenda against him from "our" fans just goes to show how ridiculous football "supporters" have become.

"Man believes his in his abilities and ask for payrise at current employer"

Redcafe: "How fecking dare he?"
Well to be fair he got booed off OT. He might rate himself a tad on the higher side of the scale .
 
Hope we get an Arsefam tv reaction if they sign him :)
 
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Arsenal is the last place I want fellani. The scenes when Ozil puts in a cross and fellani elbows the feck out of charmin soft smalling and broken Phil jones to score a equalizer.
 
We will pay him what he wants and keep him I bet. At this point I'm just desperate to see anyone else be given his minutes, even if it's not a new signing.
 
Arsenal is the last place I want fellani. The scenes when Ozil puts in a cross and fellani elbows the feck out of charmin soft smalling and broken Phil jones to score a equalizer.
Perhaps he'll concede a penalty against us like he did for Everton.
If he's not good enough for us, why care where he goes?
 
I just hope he goes.

I really don't care where. I don't hate him I just don't like what he represents in the recent past.
 
Considering we actually got serious money from them for Wellbeck I suppose we had it coming on this one...can't wait for Arsenal fans reaction though!

His wandering elbows are going to be really obvious in a side like Arsenal though - if he signs for them I predict a record breaking season for him in terms of disciplinary points and red cards!
 
What's wrong with these comments? Is he the first guy ever to ask for a payrise? The only crap I see is the this thread. Truthfully, I'd rather we sell him, but this pathetic hunt/agenda against him from "our" fans just goes to show how ridiculous football "supporters" have become.

"Man believes his in his abilities and ask for payrise at current employer"

Redcafe: "How fecking dare he?"
"Supporters" in quotes lol. If only everyone could be a top red like you.
 
You know Fellaini would score against us if we sell to a PL team

Followed by passive aggressive comments from Jose about how the board didn't back him to keep Fellaini
 
Makes sense. They lost Giroud, their main aerial threat. For the record, I want him to stay but as a Supersub.
 
We took Sanchez and RVP from them while we gave them Welbeck, Silvestre and hopefully Fellaini........balance restored :)
 
What do you base this opinion on mate? What aspects of Fellaini's game do you think not only make him an option at DM but that it's actually his best position?

I base it on the fact the first time he came to my attention as a 18/19 year old playing for Standard Liège and Belgium (u19/21) he made the position, a position many senior pros struggle with seem like a walk in the park, effortlessly moping up in front of the defence, he just looked a natural.

And the lad himself says it's his preferred position as well, which is strange because knowing what footballers are like you'd think he'd prefer a position further up the pitch where you can take the glory with goals and assists.
 
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