How is that Ancelotti's fault?
FC Bayern 17/18 discussion
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They haven’t adequately replaced Ribery and Robben and they’ve suffered at times during the start of this season.
Carlo being sacked seems a bit harsh though, with Sagnol taking over it won’t get much better, will it?
Carlo being sacked seems a bit harsh though, with Sagnol taking over it won’t get much better, will it?
It‘s not. Ancelotti made other mistakes. Carlo deserves part of the blame. But the biggest issue is the management. They never gave Pep the team he wanted and needed and didn‘t do it with Carlo either. We never really care for the coaches demands. Which is a pity.
While I agree that Bayern did not look convincing yesterday and Need to add some elite Players if they want to win the CL again I think there is a lot of overreaction.
The one Thing that is really strange is that they failed to find good replacements for Ribery and Robber. I guess right now they would take one of Martial/Rashford quite gratefully.
One of their biggest strengths have always been their Pairing of LW/LB and RW/RB with more or less blind understanding. Ribery/Alaba and Robben/Lahm have put each defense under big pressure on their day.
The one Thing that is really strange is that they failed to find good replacements for Ribery and Robber. I guess right now they would take one of Martial/Rashford quite gratefully.
One of their biggest strengths have always been their Pairing of LW/LB and RW/RB with more or less blind understanding. Ribery/Alaba and Robben/Lahm have put each defense under big pressure on their day.
Heard some rumours they are looking at getting Klopp as a replacement for Carlo.
Well my impression is that the results are disappointing the players (Müller, Ribery, Robben in particular) seem unhappy and it's not looking like he's about to get them anywhere tactically either.
So should they sack him right now it would be a bit early but far from unreasonable.
So should they sack him right now it would be a bit early but far from unreasonable.
Don't think the board would wait that long for Nagelsmann. Give it to Tuchel and allow Nagelsmann to gain more experience at Hoffenheim. Sagnol taking over would be a lost season.
I said this earlier in the thread but I was roundly criticised. You can't go from Louis van Gaal, Juup Heynckes and Pep Guardiola to Ancelotti who has a completely different strategy and barely does any hands on coaching.
Bayern were warned about Carlo Ancelotti.
The overreaction isn't here. It's in the Bayern boardroom. I don't know if it's hubris or negligence but the team simply isn't good enough to meet their lofty expectations. The players are also at fault. Just look at Ribery's reaction to being subbed, Look at Muller reaction and his statements?
The biggest failure was not doing more in the summer.
Would love to see Tuchel and the egos in the boardroom try and get along.
Why did Ribery, Robben, Hummels etc not start yesterday?
Ribéry is old as feck and shouldn‘t be in the squad at all. The other two? Only Carlo knows.
To be honest it looks like Ancelotti is trying to get fired. Leaving out Robben, Ribery, Boateng and Hummels. Together with Neuer and Muller those are the biggest guys in the dressing room. He´s virtually pissed off five of the six guys, and he´s not stupid.
Not accepting Bayerns current results and more importantly also their style is hardly a sign of lofty expectations.
Uhm...what? He's fit and still very capable
Capable of what exactly? Running in slowmotion into his opponent to lose the ball and then being too old to track back?
Ribery - old and not useful now.
Hummels - no idea, should have played
Robben - debatable, as he is also aging and quite often his playstyle doesn't help the team's overal attack but he is also a quality player who can, from time to time score on his own. Personally I'd not start him yesterday. But play (midfield and attack) Thiago - Rudy - James, Mueller, Coman -Lewandowski.
Interesting to see that some of the Bayern fans here criticizing the Bayern board which is almost revered by people here.
That's very slanted towards Peps time it could also be said Pep faced a Dortmund team on the slide. Pep in Europe was a disappointment with Bayern what ever way you look at it.
Wasn't Thiago one of the best players in Bundesliga last season?
Kicker reported the executive meeting as well. While they leave open whether or not Carlo will sit on the bench vs Berlin they claim that several players assume that Ancelotti won't survive the afternoon.
They. haven't. Klopp.
He was. But he didn't have even one really good, convincing game this season. Anyway, not a reason to overreact and let him go.
How's Alaba been lately?
They were talking about him stagnating on Swedish TV yesterday which is weird as he was a beast a couple of seasons ago.
They were talking about him stagnating on Swedish TV yesterday which is weird as he was a beast a couple of seasons ago.
I'm bored of the PSG thread so please let me enter this thread!
Injured and stagnating.
Let's reactivate Jupp for the end of the season, he must be bored by now.
Müller was dreadful last night, i know he got a cut on his leg early on but still I would have expected more from him. Alaba disappointed me as well, i feel like a tit for arguing that he was better than Marcelo in early 2016.
Why does age matter? You're playing against PSG in the CL group stage, surely the idea is to put your best team out? If you have better wide players than those 2, it makes sense. Their age shouldn't be a consideration though. What's even weirder is that you played muller and James there, 2 players who are at their best down the middle.
The squad is really not the problem, sure if we want to compete with Real and Barca we need replacements for Robben and Ribery. But it's still one of the best squads in world football, with a better approach yesterday the result could have looked very different. We're just so incredibly shit tactical and that can be seen even in the BL against teams with much lower quality.
It was basically his first game this season after an injury....yes, Alaba shouldn't have started probably, but that's on Carlo.
Jesus, the overreaction here. Robben not helpful? Ribery useless? Of course both are injured a lot and shouldn't be relied upon but when fit, they are still among the absolute best in the world.
Also, the rose stained view upon Pep...he didn't archieve anything. Yes, we were better tactically than this season, but apart more reliable trashing mid table teams in the Bundesliga, he wasn't superior in any way.
My oh my. I guess Carlo is done and I don't really like that, as he's a good manager, but in the current situation the squad is in confidence wise I guess a new approach is needed.
ESPN saying that Ancelotti has left his role.
Klinsmann the new coach?
If true, is there any potential for the rumoured Nagelsmann appointment to be brought forward, or is it more likely there's a caretaker for the season?
Caretaker at least until winter break.
Nagelsmann won'T be available now, not in the middle of the season. It's either a caretaker (probably Sagnol) or someone like Tuchel.
This Bayern stint has proven to be a massive blow to Ancelotti's stock as a top tier manager.