FC Bayern 17/18 discussion

Isn't Tuchel still under contract at Dortmund? Would they even let him join Bayern?
 
Keep Klopp at Poundland.
 
Whoever comes in now, Bayern will suffer for the rest of this season. There need to be some big changes made next summer.
 
Brophs said:
I'd be reasonably surprised if he doesn't get the next big/well paid job that becomes available.
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Agreed, but prior to this appointment, he was basically considered alongside Mou and Pep as the top managers in football. Whether true or not, that rep seems to have been tarnished. Maybe Bayern is the last giant club we'll see him manage?
 
jungledrums said:
Agreed, but prior to this appointment, he was basically considered alongside Mou and Pep as the top managers in football. Whether true or not, that rep seems to have been tarnished. Maybe Bayern is the last giant club we'll see him manage?
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He could possibly end up back at Milan, depending on how their season goes. They have investors now who seem keen on spending a bit of money.
 
Nothing is confirmed. The tweet is from a fake account.
I do hope they will confirm it today, though. I like Carlo, great guy, but holy shit, we are awful this season. His formation yesterday actually looks like an excuse to get fired in hindsight.
 
jungledrums said:
Agreed, but prior to this appointment, he was basically considered alongside Mou and Pep as the top managers in football. Whether true or not, that rep seems to have been tarnished. Maybe Bayern is the last giant club we'll see him manage?
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Absolutely, we were allegedly considering him post SAF and post LVG and I don't think many would have complained if he had been chosen either time.
 
Look at the comments made by the players to the press - the situation is beyond repair.

They really should get over with it, no point in keeping him a day longer.
 
jungledrums said:
Agreed, but prior to this appointment, he was basically considered alongside Mou and Pep as the top managers in football. Whether true or not, that rep seems to have been tarnished. Maybe Bayern is the last giant club we'll see him manage?
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Could be the case. Football people are unimaginative and conservative, though. They'll appoint him on the basis of what he was when they last paid attention, rather than the sleepy last 18 monthts. I tend to think that someone like Milan will take him even if he doesn't pitch back up in Paris or at the next PL top 6 job (other than Chelsea, probably, as @Summit says).
 
I remember just two summers ago we were talking about how Bayern had their shit together, securing Carlo, investing in great new talent and more.

What a shambles.
 
littleman said:
I remember just two summers ago we were talking about how Bayern had their shit together, securing Carlo, investing in great new talent and more.

What a shambles.
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And so it looked at that time. Can't blame the decision makers too much when pretty much the world agreed those were good decisions. Everything depends on what happens now, after(?) Carlo.
 
Give 'em LvG since loads of the German lads on here thinks he's some sort of genius that United supporters couldn't appreciate.
 
Funny, always figured Ancelotti knew how to handle egos, but it seems like half the squad don't like him.

If they sack him now, who do they get? Tuchel?

EDIT: Just saw the tweet. So he's sacked.
 
1. Some of you are overly pessimistic. One disappointing season is possible in theory but your management knows how to run a club

2. I like to mention the 2006/07 season: bad season, Bundesliga: 4th, not qualified to play the Champions League in 07/08). Consequence?
Summer 07: they took Ribéry, Klose, Luca Toni, Altintop, Ze Roberto and promoted a guy whose name is Kroos. Total spending: 92M
Summer 08: they just recruited 2 squad players (Donova, Borowski) for free. Total spending: 0 million

3. Robben was extremely disappointing against France in an important game for his country.

4. Coman needs to improve his football IQ but he has some great skills and a good potential

5. You mention the age of Robben 33 & Ribéry 34. All of us are getting older including Rafinha 32, Vidal 30, Lewa 29, Muller 28...

6. Each summer generates some opportunities to be seized

2012: Zlatan left Milan AC
2013: Cavani left Napoli & Neymar Santos
2014: Luis Suarez left Liverpool
2015: Griezmann left Sociedad & Martial left Monaco
2016: Dembele (Rennes)
2017: Neymar (Barcelona), M'bappe (Monaco), Dembélé (Dortmund).... Alexis Sanchez could have been a good deal


7. The question is: what would be the best offensive strategy? Muller on the wing or as a support striker?

8. Competition is more tough than ever to recruit top players: you can blame City and PSG - of course - but the other reality is Renato Sanchez wasn't a pure success, that Coman is a work-in-progress compared with legendary players like Prime Robben/Ribéry...

9. Experiences players like Alonso & Lahm are no longer here

10. Life is made of cycles


OutlawGER said:
Ehm in Heynckes first season Dortmund was just amazingly good. They have proven it the next season when they (also) reached the CL-Final. But still Heynckes was good enough in his first season to make a 2nd place triple. Not to mention how unlucky we were not to win the CL against that pathetic Chelsea side.

Guardiolas team was more consistent than Heynckes team, but it was better in those topgames. But i don't even give the whole credit to Heynckes for that, i even think he's a bit overrated for his archievments. He was lucky to have most of Bayerns players in their prime, build by Van Gaal. Guardiola on the other hand changed too much for my liking. The team was close to beeing a perfect machine before he took over. And so it appears to me that Guardiola kinda wasted our prime. That Bayern side is one of the best teams in history in my opinion and should have won more than just 1 CL.
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HTG said:
There is no overreaction. With Carlo as our coach, we‘ve gotten worse in basically any aspect of the game. We‘re much worse defensively and we can‘t attack at all from open play. Except for maybe Thiago and Kimmich, every player is either stagnating or taking a step back.
Add to this that Carlo‘s whole staff is a complete disaster. The very moment his staff was appointed, it was a recipe for chaos. The whole fecking staff consists of his relatives. The fecking fitness coach was caught smoking on the training grounds during a session for fecks sake, reportedly being joined by Alaba.

As of right now, Carlo is doing a truly terrible job. Which is a shame. He‘s a great guy and a great coach. But this marriage was doomed to fail. There was no way this would ever have worked out. But that‘s what happens if you just get the biggest name out there and don‘t really care for anything else.

The management deserves the most blame. Neither Pep or Carlo ever got the squad or the players they needed in order to become truly succesful.
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Yes

HTG said:
Sagnol was most likely appointed against Carlo‘s will for this very case. He was an insurance if Carlo should get fired. From what I‘m hearing, Carlo was already on thin ice before the season started.
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Another option could be to make Sagnol the new Zidane


Welbeckham said:
Thiago Motta at best is a mesmerizing player, he's so intelligent and effortlessly cool on ball. I always have my eye on him when I watch PSG, even if most people probably don't even notice him.
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You're a fine connoisseur.

Brazilian blood/heritage (Grew there) + Italian mind (family and played there) + Spanish training (product of La Masia Barcelona = :drool:

Technical skills superior for a DM + Italian aggressivity + Spanish tactical awareness

Still part of the starting 11 despite being 35 today and after 1-2 severe injury on his career. Krychowiak couldn't compete with him given his passing skills

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As for Bayern, I think they look so likely to concede without Neuer in goal. As for Coman, I think he'll struggle to get big chances (like EURO 2016) for France NT in the future simply because their other talents (Dembele, Mbappe, Martial, Lemar) seem to be progressing much faster right now.
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OutlawGER said:
(Coman) I personally can't see him beeing a world class winger at all. He's fast and all, but as you say, he seems limited in other areas. But he's so young, everything is still possible for his development.
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I agree.
 
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User 72192 said:
most people knwo the pros and cons of LvG. He's done an incredible job at Bayern, therefor people will praise him for what he did. Only fair to me. It's obvious why Man Utd supporters don't appreciate him, though.
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The issue is the gap between the expected results given the money spent and the results obtained not to mention the style of play.
 
According to the news i just got form Spiegel he's gone.
 
Peanut Butter said:
It's all well and good beating FC Kaisersausage every weekend but Bayern seem to always do poorly when playing good opposition in Europe.

This is the thing when you play in such a league dominated by one side, your team isn't getting tested enough on a regular basis.
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When English clubs struggle in Europe, it's because they are so tired because their league is so competitive.

So which one is it?

Can't have it both ways.
 
User 72192 said:
Yeah, of course he failed at Man Utd. No discussion needed about that. But only judging LvG based on his time at United wouldn't be very just, since his carreer has much more to offer and to look at. ´
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Sure, AJAX ruled Europe in the mid 90s for example.

Fantastic career: AJAX, Bayern, Barcelona, United, the Netherlands...
 
Lots of media outlets are reporting it, he's definitely getting sacked. I genuinely didn't expect his tenure to turn out like this to be honest.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Wasn't Thiago one of the best players in Bundesliga last season?
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Yes and no. He was one of the best Bundesliga players in an extremely underwhelming season.
Since he joined Bayern he went missing in almost every single big game. He is tidy against smaller teams when played as double pivot next to a more defensive player. CMs need to be consistent and he isn't consistent at all (or consistently terrible when it matters). In this regard he is a bit like Özil, just that he is nowhere near as useful against teams that get dominated.
For a while there was the argument that he is more dangerous going forward compared to CMs like kroos or Schweinsteiger (who often prefer to play it safe). Yet even that is untrue. He is a non-factor in the attack. He rarely makes runs into the box and creates almost nothing (not even some kind of pre-pre-pre assist).
For a cm his decision making is average, he often keeps the ball too long and makes the wrong pass. His passing range is hardly impressive and he is not particularly comfortable when he gets pressed.
In short: he is just not good enough for a top team. I think the injuries took some of his agility, that he had at the beginning. Other Spanish CMs like silva can make these sharp turns to get away from their opponents. He struggles with that.

Top teams need some players who can control the game and he is one of the very few of those that Bayern has. So he is useful but it would be a massive mistake to build a team around him and even rely on him as starter. He should be a squad player at best for Bayern.

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I don't understand why so many posters seem to think it just down to Robben/Ribery aging. Both are still quality despite their age, when fit. They don't hold the team back.
It also doesn't explain why the team plays a lot better in a system that it knows (4231).
 
PedroMendez said:
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I don't understand why so many posters seem to think it just down to Robben/Ribery aging. Both are still quality despite their age, when fit. They don't hold the team back.
It also doesn't explain why the team plays a lot better in a system that it knows (4231).
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1. Agree. It's just one factor
2. What should be the starting 11 according to you?
 
Also, Kurzawa is the weakest PSG player. A pure winger against him would have made sense.

Ribéry/Robben/Coman on the right would have been an obvious choice.
 
Sounds similar to when when Bayern sacked LVG, a pro-active decision before things get worse. Of course one was near the end of a season, this is at the start.

I get the sense Carlo's heart isn't in it.
 
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