FC Bayern 17/18 discussion

Balu said:
I don't think getting the best manager available when you need a new one is in itself a bad plan. Sometimes it just doesn't work out and then people start making big claims about the lack of a bigger plan and cite examples that were more coincidence than initially well thought out longterm plans. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for kicking Hoeneß and Rummenigge out of the club and giving a different manager a chance. I never really wanted Ancelotti in the first place and made several posts about manager usually doing their best work as young and unproven coaches rather than as established elite managers who move to another big club. But that means you have to take risks by appointing managers like Nagelsmann is today and have to live with failure and backlash in the media.

Sacchi hadn't proven more when he got the Milan job. Lattek was nothing but a young assistant coach for the nationalteam and liked by Beckenbauer and Müller, when he got the Bayern job for the first time. It doesn't have to be a former worldclass player or an established manager. I'd love it if we gave Tuchel a chance despite his problems at Dortmund. It isn't a bigger risk than keeping Ancelotti or giving it to Allegri. If it doesn't work out, we'll survive easily.
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I think it is a good plan when you are willing to do what needs to be done for this manager to be as successful as possible, or at least understand what he's trying to do. Getting Pep was in no way wrong, but we wasted an opportunity with him. And Carlo came at the completely wrong time. So getting those guys in itself is not the issue. But as a club you should at least try to maximize their output. We never did this with Pep, or any other coach I can remember. Considering our position compared to the likes of Real, we must be creative in order to compete. We got to find advantages where they don't have them. This would have been one of those opportunities.
And with Pep, this was obviously a factor for his departure. Gündogan said as much in a recent interview with Die Zeit.

I completely agree with the rest and would be more than happy with Nagelsmann or Tuchel.
 
fcbforever said:
I actually think Tuchel might have the right attitude for Bayern while it was the wrong one for Dortmund.
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You think someone who manages to antagonize both players (his own captain even) and management at Dortmund is going to fare well at Bayern, where egos are likely to be bigger and fuses likely to be shorter.
 
No one is going to convince me that Ribery feels aggrieved because he is not learning anything about positioning and memorizing drills.
 
do.ob said:
You think someone who manages to antagonize both players (his own captain even) and management at Dortmund is going to fare well at Bayern, where egos are likely to be bigger and fuses likely to be shorter.
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No doubt it's probable Tuchel would fall out with someone important at some point but frankly at the moment that doesn't deter me. All that can happen is that he gets fired, and until he does we get great football. If it's, say, 18 months of good football that would be enough for me. After that we can still get Nagelsmann, who will be like 32 then lol, or Allegri, or Favre or whoever has come along.
That being said, we should in any case let Ancelotti work in peace until summer.
 
JustFootballFan said:
Lahm understood Pep, cause they both wanted the same. Lahm to play defensive midfield, which led to Lahm demanding the same from Low. That led to Germany nearly losing the World Cup, because of Lahm´s ego. He had neither the skill-set nor the body to play defensive midfield.
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It also led to bayern's utter humiliation at our hands in the SF, particularly the first leg which should've ended 5-0 :drool::drool::drool:
 
giorno said:
It also led to bayern's utter humiliation at our hands in the SF, particularly the first leg which should've ended 5-0
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So much inaccurate history and conjecture going on here.

Actually, in the Real ties Pep reverted to using Lahm as RB, as he did in most, if not all, of the big games we lost in 13/14. Which of course is a fact most anti-Pep propagandists don't accomodate into their story.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
So much inaccurate history and conjecture going on here.

Actually, in the Real ties Pep reverted to using Lahm as RB, as he did in most, if not all, of the big games we lost in 13/14. Which of course is a fact most anti-Pep propagandists don't accomodate into their story.
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That´s true. Pep also realized very soon that Lahm was not suited to the role, cause his decision-making process, positional sense, passing accuracy, ball distribution and aerial protection were not sufficient to play in that role at the highest level.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
So much inaccurate history and conjecture going on here.

Actually, in the Real ties Pep reverted to using Lahm as RB, as he did in most, if not all, of the big games we lost in 13/14. Which of course is a fact most anti-Pep propagandists don't accomodate into their story.
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First leg he played in midfield mate. And you were completely toothless. People remember the score from the second leg, but the first leg was worse for you. You were very lucky to escape with a 1-0 loss, when given the amount of chances we had we should have killed the tie right then and there
 
JustFootballFan said:
That´s true. Pep also realized very soon that Lahm was not suited to the role, cause his decision-making process, positional sense, passing accuracy, ball distribution and aerial protection were not sufficient to play in that role at the highest level.
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You're just making up complete nonsense and claiming it to be Pep's thoughts. As if you had any clue what Pep 'realized' or not. Lahm's positional sense? Passing accuracy? Just stop, man.
 
HTG said:
I think so, yes. From what I've read, we were an option for him. Especially due to Pep. But we never really tried when it got obvious how much he would cost.
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I doubt that. He was Barca bound for years already. I think he just used us and some others to pressure Barca in their negotiations.
 
giorno said:
First leg he played in midfield mate. And you were completely toothless. People remember the score from the second leg, but the first leg was worse for you. You were very lucky to escape with a 1-0 loss, when given the amount of chances we had we should have killed the tie right then and there
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This is not true. I remember the game very well. Never saw Real Madrid playing so deep in their own half against a non (Pep)Barca opposition on their own ground. They were parking the bus, in Bernabeau. Real played only on counter attacks, and had a few good ones. But other than that, Bayern dominated Real heavily. But one part was right, Bayern were toothless. Real was defending very well. Chelsea-like.
 
giorno said:
First leg he played in midfield mate. And you were completely toothless. People remember the score from the second leg, but the first leg was worse for you. You were very lucky to escape with a 1-0 loss, when given the amount of chances we had we should have killed the tie right then and there
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We were toothless and conceded after your first counterattack, but after that it was a boring stale game with barely any chances on both sides. The first leg was awful because an 1-0 away loss sucks and once we conceded at home through a corner or freekick, the tie was basically over. The result was obviously embarrassing after the return leg but I don't think you dominated or outplayed us in the first game that much. That one clinical finish was the only difference. We had way worse away games under Guardiola in the CL than the first leg in 2014 against you.
 
We had 3-4 huge chances besides the goal, two of those sitters, on top of a number of half-chances and shots from the edge of the box. Meanwhile, you had a bunch of half-chances and shots from the edge of the box, and the big chance for goetze at the end
 
We were always toothless in the 4-3-3...
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Boateng's hair gives me nasty shivers every time I spot him.

Classic crappy Müller or a great Robben goal :drool:
 
Hey look! A 4-2-3-1 with Müller behind Lewa and Thiago and Vidal as 2 man midfield - who would have thought, we create and score immediately.

Watch us thrash Mainz and Ancelotti revert to the 4-3-3 next game again
 
Hm, Müller escapes the yellow there.

Amidst all the transfer madness and keeping Sanches in mind: Lets all appreciate the fact that Kimmich cost 8,5mil Euros. He's quietly brilliant.
 
Amazing misses by Robben and Vidal, but that was our best attacking move of the season.
 
What the feck is going on? :wenger:
Good football at least!
 
:lol: What a spectacle of brilliance and incompetence rolled into one
 
Cristiano Lell said:
Hey look! A 4-2-3-1 with Müller behind Lewa and Thiago and Vidal as 2 man midfield - who would have thought, we create and score immediately.
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The superiority of the 4-2-3-1 is so total, not even you could jinx it

Great assist from Kimmich as well. What a fecking player
 
Cristiano Lell said:
You're just making up complete nonsense and claiming it to be Pep's thoughts. As if you had any clue what Pep 'realized' or not. Lahm's positional sense? Passing accuracy? Just stop, man.
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Just stop what? Playing in DM/CM requires a completely different skillset than playing at RB. Just because Lahm is an intelligent player off the pitch and had mastered the requirements of a world class RB doesn´t mean he can just move into the middle. To control the pace of the game, recognize the gaps opening in the middle of the park, and where he has to step in and shut down dangerous situations before they develop: That´s not just going to magically appear. And even when he realizes them, he´s not winning aerial battles against big centre forwards. To feel and realize from where the pressure comes and where the next outlet pass is, is a lot different in the middle, when it can come from four different directions, while at RB it will come just from the left (rarely) and from the front. You always see it coming. Lahm never needed to make these quick decisions at RB. His brain was not trained to do that. That´s not a knock on his talent. He was one of the best RBs and leaders, but he was a poor CM/DM, and that´s why he never played there for an extended period of time. Did Bayern win games with him in that position. Of course. Just likey they´d beat Hamburg, if Rafinha played in goal, but that does not mean he´s a goalie.
 
Müller with a goal and a great assist. He has pretty much regained most of his mojo by now, now it's only about whether Carlo will allow a formation with a meaningful place for him in big games.
 
giorno said:
We had 3-4 huge chances besides the goal, two of those sitters, on top of a number of half-chances and shots from the edge of the box. Meanwhile, you had a bunch of half-chances and shots from the edge of the box, and the big chance for goetze at the end
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Wait a minute aren't you a Real Madrid fan?
 
GhastlyHun said:
Best transfer (business) in years. I remember my mild amusement about Kimmich's bold claims of how he expected to play an appreciable role at Bayern.
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The priceless thing about Kimmich is his attitude, his calmness and decision making under pressure. He's courageous, always present, takes responsibility and makes good decisions. These are the vital capabilities many other 'talented' (read: skilled with the ball) prospects end up lacking. It's something that impressed already when Pep asked him to run the midfield against a nasty Ingolstadt after he had just joined, it impressed when he had to come in and start as central defender in a CL quarter away at Juve.
I think the jury about the defensive side of his game as a RB is still somewhat out, though.

He is also a walking reminder that Reschke's time at Bayern bore some meaningful fruit, contrary to what some fans now are claiming in typical revisionist manner.
 
So apparently BILD is claiming Neuer injured his left foot again, in training today. They say he needs surgery and might be out for months.

He only came back couple of weeks ago after breaking his left foot at the Bernabeu.

FML
 
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