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fredthered said:
Theres no such thing as harmless banter when it comes to United v Liverpool. Never has been, never will be.

You try headbutting half a house brick lobbed at you by a scouse cnut and then see if you can ignore anything they say to wind you up....
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I actually do not know how you can say these things Fred, because the problems are to do with the rivalry of the two cities, not the football clubs per se, it just spilled over on that level. As you are not from Manchester, it's difficult for me to understand where you get your Scouse hatred from? I suppose by Scouse you mean Liverpool FC supporters? A Scouser is a Liverpudlian, Blue, Red, or White.

You should hate Nottingham or somewhere else like that.
 
fredthered said:
Right, now no offence here, but on the log in page theres a request for people to donate to the upkeep of this site. IF they donate on the premise that they are helping run a United forum, then thats what they should get.

Fair enough if Niall is paying it all out of his own pocket, then you are right, but if others are helping run this site through donations then they also have a say in how its run.

If you want me to donate to the upkeep of this site to keep it as a United forum then fair enough, thats fine. I will pay my way. I havent and never would expect anything for free, and if I had to cough up £10 a year to post on here I would gladly do it.

But I am fecked if I am going to pay to have some dirty bin dipper be allowed to walk in when they like and just take the piss, and me have to pay for it.. And then get banned for reacting to it.

I will gladly give money to help run this site, but ONLY if its a United forum. Not a free for all for anyone to use and abuse as they see fit.
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I donated. Wonder how many do.
 
fredthered said:
Theres no such thing as harmless banter when it comes to United v Liverpool. Never has been, never will be.

You try headbutting half a house brick lobbed at you by a scouse cnut and then see if you can ignore anything they say to wind you up....
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You give us the name (and proof) of the Scouser on here that lobbed a house brick at you and we'll ban him for life. ;)
 
What does a non-house brick look like?

And I don't want a picture of a stickle brick or a lego brick, or a turd!
 
WeasteDevil said:
We all know that!
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Well you might but obviously there's plenty that don't get it. What do they want? A nice Man Utd forum where everybody says Sir Al is bonzer and the CM will take care of itself.
 
Really interesting thread, great read, a learning curve for me...

GB started a debate in the mod room about the many points raised on this thread yesterday, lets see where the debate takes us.

Keep going...
 
Sultan said:
Really interesting thread, great read, a learning curve for me...

GB started a debate in the mod room about the many points raised on this thread yesterday, lets see where the debate takes us.

Keep going...
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Can I have a look see at this debate?
 
peterstorey said:
Well you might but obviously there's plenty that don't get it. What do they want? A nice Man Utd forum where everybody says Sir Al is bonzer and the CM will take care of itself.
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Do we really need opposing fans to remind us of our weakness, do you know or understand football better?

We certainly know where and when our weaknesses are, that's exactly the type of wind ups we don't need, especially in the United forum.

Discussion in progress to maybe exclude all non United fans completely from the United forum.
 
Dubai_Devil said:
Can I have a look see at this debate?
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I can only obviously post just the first post of the thread, I hope as a new Mod I am not doing anything seriously wrong...


One of the major complaints on here is that this is a 'United' forum and the scousers etc have taken over. I think one thing we should consider is making the United forum, United fans only. One thing that pisses a lot of people off, including me dropping 'bombs' in there and then leaving us to deal with the inevitable crap.

what say you?
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Sultan said:
I can only obviously post just the first post of the thread, I hope as a new Mod I am not doing anything seriously wrong...
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Interesting.

IMO, not that it counts for much, is that there are the obvious opposition fans who were just there to wind people up and who should be banned for there, but there are also decent opposition fans like Nate and FH who made good posts in there. The main thing is that you shouldn't just have a blanket ban, make decisions on an individual basis.

Also, I think the main problem these days are some of the spastic doom and gloom/sack Fergie people who are on there these days. But I guess you'll say you can't just ban people for being idiots. Maybe you could say they are being disruptive, that always works ;)
 
Sultan said:
Do we really need opposing fans to remind us of our weakness, do you know or understand football better?

We certainly know where and when our weaknesses are, that's exactly the type of wind ups we don't need, especially in the United forum.

Discussion in progress to maybe exclude all non United fans completely from the United forum.
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Yes, because you're biased and should welcome debate. In the past pointless wind-ups were dealt with either by logic or ridicule. Can't you hack it these days?
 
Dubai_Devil said:
Interesting.

IMO, not that it counts for much, is that there are the obvious opposition fans who were just there to wind people up and who should be banned for there, but there are also decent opposition fans like Nate and FH who made good posts in there. The main thing is that you shouldn't just have a blanket ban, make decisions on an individual basis.

Also, I think the main problem these days are some of the spastic doom and gloom/sack Fergie people who are on there these days. But I guess you'll say you can't just ban people for being idiots. Maybe you could say they are being disruptive, that always works ;)
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This is weard DD, it's exactly the way the debate is going, maybe a proposal I may put forward is for the Mods to nominate a few opposing fans who are genuinely good lads to be allowed to post, then have a blanket ban on the rest, which would include all the newbies coming through...
 
peterstorey said:
Yes, because you're biased and should welcome debate. In the past pointless wind-ups were dealt with either by logic or ridicule. Can't you hack it these days?
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Do you not think that it might be at least a little sensible for you opposition fans to leave this thread alone?

It's enough with the United fans moaning, and yes, this is a United site, but the more you lots press, the worse it will come out for you.

Just leave it!
 
peterstorey said:
Yes, because you're biased and should welcome debate. In the past pointless wind-ups were dealt with either by logic or ridicule. Can't you hack it these days?
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Why should Mods have to waste their time on WUM's?

Logic is hardly going to work on them is it?

DD's opinion in his first paragraph sums up the mood of thinking in the Mod forum.
 
peterstorey said:
Yes, because you're biased and should welcome debate. In the past pointless wind-ups were dealt with either by logic or ridicule. Can't you hack it these days?
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Course we can hack it! the question is do we want to? especially as some of the wind ups ends up so bad which ultimately ends up banning my fellow reds...

It hurts all the mods, despite what others thinks or say...
 
WeasteDevil said:
I actually do not know how you can say these things Fred, because the problems are to do with the rivalry of the two cities, not the football clubs per se, it just spilled over on that level. As you are not from Manchester, it's difficult for me to understand where you get your Scouse hatred from? I suppose by Scouse you mean Liverpool FC supporters? A Scouser is a Liverpudlian, Blue, Red, or White.

You should hate Nottingham or somewhere else like that.
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Who says I am not from Manchester... I dont live there now, but do you know for 100% sure I am not mancunian by birth.

As for it being just the two cities, that doesnt actually ring true 100%, because City fans dont hate Liverpool and Everton as much as United fans do and they come from the same City. Everton fans dont hate City as much as United.. So this "but its down to the cities" isnt 100% accurate.

And if you knew my personal circumstances and what I went through when living in Liverpool you really wouldnt need to ask where my hatred comes from. Rest assured I have more reason than 99.9999% of United fans for hating scousers. Valid reasons at that...
 
It's not for the mods to do it but the forum to pretty much police itself as it's done for the 4 years I've been around. You're all just getting jumpy because of this row (which I missed cos I was in Paris). Nothing needs to change - there's a World Cup then a new season coming. Steady as she goes and less breast-beating.
 
I don't think we need to be banning whole groups from certain forums. That's a bit silly.

Adopt the Transfer Forum policy
 
Dubai_Devil said:
Also, I think the main problem these days are some of the spastic doom and gloom/sack Fergie people who are on there these days. But I guess you'll say you can't just ban people for being idiots. Maybe you could say they are being disruptive, that always works ;)
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Thats clearly a pop at me, and let me tell you this much. I have earnt my rights to have an opinion. OK its not what you like to hear, but thats the way it is. Just because people say things you dont like it doesnt make them necessarily an idiot. Its called having a difference of opinion. Only a "spastic" is incapable of listening to others views and debating them.

I can take the pro- fergie arguments coming from United fans, but theres no way on gods earth I will even enter into a debate about Fergie with a scouser. Thats the big difference.
 
fredthered said:
Who says I am not from Manchester... I dont live there now, but do you know for 100% sure I am not mancunian by birth.

As for it being just the two cities, that doesnt actually ring true 100%, because City fans dont hate Liverpool and Everton as much as United fans do and they come from the same City. Everton fans dont hate City as much as United.. So this "but its down to the cities" isnt 100% accurate.

And if you knew my personal circumstances and what I went through when living in Liverpool you really wouldnt need to ask where my hatred comes from. Rest assured I have more reason than 99.9999% of United fans for hating scousers. Valid reasons at that...
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Look, as I said, the football thing is a spillover from basically a local rivalry. You don't get in England football rivalries unless the cities/towns are close.

Liverpool and Manchester had a serious ding dong between 1860 and 1890 and it ended up with the building of a canal and Manchester Docks. The football thing came later.

I've also seen United fans acting like total scum, your point is?

99.9999% of United fans? One hell of a lot of them are like sheep, they simply go along with what the rest say. They don't know what they are talking about however, like those people who are not from Manchester who seem to hate Manchester City. It makes no sense!
 
WeasteDevil said:
Look, as I said, the football thing is a spillover from basically a local rivalry. You don't get in England football rivalries unless the cities/towns are close.

Liverpool and Manchester had a serious ding dong between 1860 and 1890 and it ended up with the building of a canal and Manchester Docks. The football thing came later.

I've also seen United fans acting like total scum, your point is?

99.9999% of United fans? One hell of a lot of them are like sheep, they simply go along with what the rest say. They don't know what they are talking about however, like those people who are not from Manchester who seem to hate Manchester City. It makes no sense!
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My point is you assumed that because I live in Walsall I cannot be a Mancunian, and that my hatred is without foundation.

I know all about the Manchester Ship canal, and how it bypassed the scouse port taxes, but you still dont answer how come City fans dont hate Liverpool or Everton as much as United fans do. If it was down to city rivalry then Bolton would be our biggest rivals not Liverpool. After all they are closer.

Likewise Blackburn would be bigger rivals than leeds, but they are not. Its got feck all to do with whos closest or what the cities have done.

United and Liverpool fans hate each other because of football, end of story. The rest is just a smokescreen.

As for why I hate scousers personally, as I said you dont know my history with scousers and what I have been through at the hands of them. Rest assured I have every reason to hate them a damn site more than 99.99999% of any United fan you will ever meet, no matter where they live or were brought up.
 
fredthered said:
I still cannot believe to this day that United fans are not allowed to mention what they did at Heysel. Do the likes of Wibble run around OT going "erm excuse me but thats bigotry, so would you all mind stopping".

You relly are a bit thick aren't you Fred. A) Hysel has been discussed here time and time again. Discussing it is fine. Labeling all Liverpudlians as murderers is not discussion. It is bigotry, B) I have no responsibility at OT and C) (and try to concentrate here because it is vital) This is not Old Trafford or indeed any football ground.

Does he go into the Bishops Blaize before United v Liverpool games and say "sorry lads, but no singing about Heysel today because I think its offensive and might upset the scousers"

I never drank there and again it isnlt my responsibility.

This is supposed to be about the thoughts and feelings of United supporters, and whether Wibble likes it or he doesnt, United fans call Liverpool fans murderers, and they will do to the end of time.

What they do off here isn't an issue.

If the scousers dont like it then thats their tough shit. They have a choice. Put up with it or feck off to their own teams forums, where they can post Munich till their hearts content.

Are you capable of reading and/or understanding what you have been told about the issue? We did not act because scousers complained. We acted because it was the right thing to do.

If you don't like it then piss off to RedIssue.

Or better yet keep it for matches at Old Trafford.

Oh wait ......................

United fans have, do and always will hate the scousers, and to expect moderation and respect is just laughable. They have never shown us any, and likewise we have never shown any back. Nothing should change that. EVER. The day United fans tone down their feelings about the dippers is the day Man United has truly died.

I though it already had for you which is why you have started supporting another team. Or can the club die again and again every time you throw a hissy fit about somthing you don't like?

I wonder if Wibble has ever been hit by a half ender lobbed by a scouser.

No. Bottle yes. Brick no.

Or been on a coach that has been pelted with bricks, or spat at, punched and kicked outside Anfield.

Yes.

Has he ever been chased down Scotland Road by a baying mob of scousers.

Not that road. No.

Seen lads cut to ribbons by stanley knife wielding scousers ?

Ribbons? No. Cut across the face. Yes.

Well I have, and if you think I am going to suddenly start showing them some respect and consider their feelings you are way off the mark. They are cnuts, the lot of them, and the day I see United fans defending them and turning on their own is a sorry sorry day for United indeed.
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I have also seen United fans beat the crap out of some kid walking down the street wearing a City strip.

I tried to help him as well.

You know why? Because it was the right thing to do.
 
UnitedIrishman said:
The difference is that the United fans don't seem to be allowed react to the Scouse wind ups.

Total crap. Nobody has ever been banned for insulting Scousers. Murderers is not an insult. It is bigotry not different from Racism

Try find at least 10 posts in the Football Forums that isn't a windup by Davo (with his "King Gerard of Anfield" thread) or njred.

Instead decent posters like WelshRed and Big Andy get banned whilst the scouse remain.
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WeshRed and Big Andy have been TEMPORARILY banned because they came on and kept spamming abuse until they got banned. It is something they planned in RTG and wanted to happen, presumably either as a laugh (in Andy's case) or to prove how hardcore (and stupid) he was to his mates on RTG in Welsh Red's case. This is the guy who posted topless photo's of his girlfriend on here without her knowledge just to impress Big Andy, Groundside etc.
 
WeasteDevil said:
I actually do not know how you can say these things Fred, because the problems are to do with the rivalry of the two cities, not the football clubs per se, it just spilled over on that level. As you are not from Manchester, it's difficult for me to understand where you get your Scouse hatred from? I suppose by Scouse you mean Liverpool FC supporters? A Scouser is a Liverpudlian, Blue, Red, or White.

You should hate Nottingham or somewhere else like that.
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So Fred is an OOTer?

:drool:

Is he also a JCL?

He should listen to us Mancunians more then.
 
Wibble said:
WeshRed and Big Andy have been TEMPORARILY banned because they came on and kept spamming abuse until they got banned. It is something they planned in RTG and wanted to happen, presumably either as a laugh (in Andy's case) or to prove how hardcore (and stupid) he was to his mates on RTG in Welsh Red's case. This is the guy who posted topless photo's of his girlfriend on here without her knowledge just to impress Big Andy, Groundside etc.
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I happen to like both guys contributions to the Club in the past but what you say is patently obvious concerning BA and as for the picture posting - that should be indefensible to any sane person . Imo the bannings were justified and I believe that BA in particular will come back here with no gripes or complaints . Not sure of Welsh Red attitude on his return though :D
 
Well,well,well......what a lot of piss and wind about nothing.

Nature abhors a vacuum and with little to talk about now that the season has ended the silly season has well and truly started with this froth and frenzy occupying the back pages of the forum.

I don't visit other football sites for debate because this one is a large forum encompassing fans of all persuasions.

Of course there's going to be banter and on occasion emotions boiling over with abuse both given and taken.It's all part of the rich tapestry of RedCafe.

Some of you have worked yourselves up into such a frenzy that it's impossible for you to stand back and see how ridiculous you sound.

What sensitive flowers you are.

The mods ,on balance, are like refs in the PL......some are card waving happy,some are inconsistent and some are in the Graham Poll class.Of course they make inconsistent and unfair decisions from time to time but,hey,by and large I think they do their best.

Often,I find that when I make what I consider to be valid criticisms of Man Utd I am accused of being a WUM,which I suppose goes with the territory here for any opposing fan.However,anyone with half a brain cell should be able to differentiate between such criticisms and tasteless and offensive remarks like munichs etc which do deserve disciplinary action.

Listen,the forum is as good as it could practically expect to be.If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Now why don't we all sit down and have a nice cup of tea and let's do what comes naturally at this time of the year:

Talk about the transfer news and the World Cup..........and maybe Kent's chances of winning the County Championship! ;)
 
One of the problems is, that there's not many Reds on here...and the ones that are here are generally intelligent, savvy sorts. Whereas in comparison you've got a shedload of mancs, half of which are total spastics....so when it kicks off a bit, the mancs always get a hiding.......even more so given recent events

You can't blame us for being far cleverer than you
 
Gillespie said:
1) I don't visit other football sites for debate because this one is a large forum encompassing fans of all persuasions.
2) Listen,the forum is as good as it could practically expect to be.If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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Exactly my point, its not a Utd site anymore so it should own up to that.

Its only the gooners and scousers that are happy, i dare say the majority of Utd fans on here are unhappy with things at the moment. Transfer forum spazzers not included.
 
Murt said:
Exactly my point, its not a Utd site anymore so it should own up to that.

Its only the gooners and scousers that are happy, i dare say the majority of Utd fans on here are unhappy with things at the moment. Transfer forum spazzers not included.
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You're unhappy because we won the European Cup for a fifth time, whilst you got taken over by a fat Yank...
 
Wibble said:
So Fred is an OOTer?

:drool:

Is he also a JCL?

He should listen to us Mancunians more then.
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How do you know I am an OOT.

Where you live ISNT where you were always born.

As for being a JCL, 32 years doesnt quite make me a JCL does it ?
 
Murt said:
Exactly my point, its not a Utd site anymore so it should own up to that.

Its only the gooners and scousers that are happy, i dare say the majority of Utd fans on here are unhappy with things at the moment. Transfer forum spazzers not included.
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Of course it's a United forum....what nonsense.

Most posters are died in the wool manc devotees and the opposing fans provide the spice to the debate.

Try and see if you can develop some plain old fashioned common sense:rolleyes:
 
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