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WeasteDevil said:
That its abuse by opposition fans is being thought about!
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I see.
I seems to me though the plan is to attract more business or whatever you call us by welcoming opposing fans etc.
Seems a bit hypocritical to call it a "Manchester United Website" seeing as its catering for all sorts nowadays. Ripping of a brand name imo.
 
Murt said:
I see.
I seems to me though the plan is to attract more business or whatever you call us by welcoming opposing fans etc.
Seems a bit hypocritical to call it a "Manchester United Website" seeing as its catering for all sorts nowadays. Ripping of a brand name imo.
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Have you been nicking drugs out of your patients' drug cabinet or something?
 
UnitedIrishman said:
The difference is that the United fans don't seem to be allowed react to the Scouse wind ups.

Try find at least 10 posts in the Football Forums that isn't a windup by Davo (with his "King Gerard of Anfield" thread) or njred.

Instead decent posters like WelshRed and Big Andy get banned whilst the scouse remain.
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Of course the United fans can react to the scouse WU's.....but they need to come up with something better than "Murderers".

I doubt the scousers on here had anything to do with the deaths at Heysel and taunting them with "Murderers" was only likely to get a "Munich" taunt in reply.

This forum is better than that.

As for BA, it's a shame he's gone - I enjoyed his humour.

As for Welsh Red, seemed OK until he felt the need to tell Leeds fans to look out for Turks with knives.
 
Murt said:
nah, just my tuppence worth.
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It's just that I cannot see a great number of newly promoted opposition fans running around in here.
 
Marching said:
As for Welsh Red, seemed OK until he felt the need to tell Leeds fans to look out for Turks with knives.
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he only did it to go out in style, a match going Utd fan getting banned from a utd forum with a Leeds mod for slagging Leeds.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Look, the United Forum is for United and should not be abused by opposing fans. You cannot compare it to RedIssue, because thatis all they have. This site however has other "rooms" attached to it where opposing fans can join in. I don't see the problem with that, if you do then do not go into them. Nobody makes you click in them to see what people may or may not be saying.

As for the United Forum, it is being thought about.
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Surely the most sensible thing would be to run it as follows with the following forums

United fans only.. Only 5 forums needed.

United forum - Discussions about Man United and whats happening at OT and around the world. Only United supporters permitted to post on it. As long as its relevant to United then its permissable. Whether it be videos, newspaper reports, whatever. As long as its United based its fine. NO opposing teams fans, and any FC United fan who is too insulting or abusive can be restricted from posting on this site.

Football forum - A forum for United fans to discuss whats happening at other clubs around the country/ world. THings like a prediction league could be put in here. No other fans from other teams permitted.Things like videos of other clubs or press reports for other teams would go in here. No fans from other teams permitted

Transfer forum - For United fans to discuss transfers at OT and at other clubs. Things like videos of other clubs or press reports for other teams would go in here. No fans from other teams permitted

General fourm - A forum for United fans to discuss ANYTHING other than football. No fans from other teams permitted.

FC United forum As it is, but with an FC United fan put as a moderator who CAN, if required restrict access by certain posters if they are out of order. Being stopped from posting in the FC United forum does not mean they have to stop posting in the United forum.

Non United fans

ABU Central - Basically a site for fans of other teams to come on if they get through the newbies they can go into here and discuss Man UNited or sing their clubs praises. United fans would have access to this as well, but would have the choice if they wish to go into this site or not. If they dont like it then simply dont go in. Mods could then insist this forum does not include things like Heysel, Hillsborough, Munich etc and anyone found violating it in this forum, United fan or not, would be banned instantly. No fecking about. Instant ban.


All of these forums would require posters going through the newbies with a designated team of posters permitted to promote newbies accordingly. Once promoted nobody ( other than mods) can go back and post on this forum. Once you are promoted you are out, and out for good.

This surely has to be the fairest and simplest way of dealing with it. Those mods that are supporters of other teams would remain as they are, and have access just the same as they are here, but it would be prudent for them to monitor the ABU central, and if they as opposing fans think someone has gone too far they can just ban at their leisure.
 
Marching said:
Of course the United fans can react to the scouse WU's.....but they need to come up with something better than "Murderers".

I doubt the scousers on here had anything to do with the deaths at Heysel and taunting them with "Murderers" was only likely to get a "Munich" taunt in reply.

This forum is better than that.

As for BA, it's a shame he's gone - I enjoyed his humour.

As for Welsh Red, seemed OK until he felt the need to tell Leeds fans to look out for Turks with knives.
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If it's this thread, I don't see what the banning offence. He never said the 'm' word. He started a thread about wind up chants, in the United section. What's wrong with that? It's no different to what the fans in OT are singing when Liverpool come to play.

https://www.redcafe.net/showthread.php?t=115243
 
fredthered said:
Surely the most sensible thing would be to run it as follows with the following forums

United fans only.. Only 5 forums needed.
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It was never done as you suggest Fred, and never will be.
 
Murt said:
he only did it to go out in style, a match going Utd fan getting banned from a utd forum with a Leeds mod for slagging Leeds.
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Go out in style...:rolleyes:

I didn't ban him and I think it was for more than the Leeds comment.

IMO that went beyond slagging/banter......let's hope no MU fan gets murdered and the Scousers feel the need to laugh about it.
 
WeasteDevil said:
It's just that I cannot see a great number of newly promoted opposition fans running around in here.
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They're a minority but they have the same rights as the rest of us and we have to be especially nice to them. If it's a Man Utd forum it should be on our conditions and if they dont like being called certain things they know where the door is.
For whatever reason you lot seem to want to accomadate the opposition and dilute this place into a forum for all. If thats the big plan then fair enough, but do it properly and drop the utd bit, or at least tone it down. Ppl join here either because they're Utd fans and want to talk with like minded or because their opposition fans and want to take the piss out of us.
 
UnitedIrishman said:
If it's this thread, I don't see what the banning offence. He never said the 'm' word.
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That's because I deleted its reference in a blind attempt to try and save him!
 
Re Fred's post, the gist of it is right if it were a purely Man Utd forum. But as im pointing out the strategy seems to be to move towards a wider market.
 
UnitedIrishman said:
If it's this thread, I don't see what the banning offence. He never said the 'm' word. He started a thread about wind up chants, in the United section. What's wrong with that? It's no different to what the fans in OT are singing when Liverpool come to play.

https://www.redcafe.net/showthread.php?t=115243
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Exactly. People want to hear whats going on at games, some fans never get to OT and want to learn songs, and what the atmosphere is like. You cant say "well its fine to sing it at matches, but you arent allowed to mention it here".

And to Marching, personally I see you point about the turks jibe, but you wouldnt see Leeds fans getting banned on the Leeds sites for laughing about the death of George Best or singing Munich. No offence, but what do you expect on a United forum? I would expect abuse on a Lids forum and you surely must accept the same from United fans. It might not be in good taste but the bottom line is football never has good or bad tastes. If it hurts them, use it.......

Your lot do, and so do ours. Live with it or give up football forever.
 
Murt said:
Re Fred's post, the gist of it is right if it were a purely Man Utd forum. But as im pointing out the strategy seems to be to move towards a wider market.
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There is no strategy. E-mail Niall if you want confirmation of that.

It never was a purely Man Utd forum, even after the infamous mass scouse cull.
 
Murt said:
go out with a bang, whatever, dont take it personally, hes a good lad as you well know.
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He is a good lad. Trouble is, sometimes he acts like he has not exited puberty.
 
WeasteDevil said:
There is no strategy. E-mail Niall if you want confirmation of that.

It never was a purely Man Utd forum, even after the infamous mass scouse cull.
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No offence then, but Murt is right. If its not a fans forum for United fans alone. then you shouldnt be calling it an unofficial Manchester United website. Because clearly its nothing more than a football forum..
 
UnitedIrishman said:
If it's this thread, I don't see what the banning offence. He never said the 'm' word. He started a thread about wind up chants, in the United section. What's wrong with that? It's no different to what the fans in OT are singing when Liverpool come to play.

https://www.redcafe.net/showthread.php?t=115243
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There were other posts and that opening post has been edited from when it first appeared.

Nothing will be served by going round in circles about what's already done.

It's time to move on and hopefully learn from what's gone on.
 
WeasteDevil said:
There is no strategy. E-mail Niall if you want confirmation of that. It never was a purely Man Utd forum, even after the infamous mass scouse cull.
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we used to have privlages and be treated as slightly higher citizens.
 
fredthered said:
No offence then, but Murt is right. If its not a fans forum for United fans alone. then you shouldnt be calling it an unofficial Manchester United website. Because clearly its nothing more than a football forum..
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It's called what Niall wishes to call it. If you don't like it, look elsewhere.

This site always had that name, and at one point was more than a series of forums.
 
Murt said:
we used to have privlages and be treated as slightly higher citizens.
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Whatever is done you will not like it, but why don't you simply wait to see what is done before passing judgement?
 
WeasteDevil said:
This site always had that name, and at one point was more than a series of forums.
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Back then it was a 100% utd side (with the info and news etc) with a forum which was way more Man Utd than it is today.
Now the united homepage bit is gone, the forum has been diluted down and were moving more and more towards a general football site.

Im not saying what youse are doing is right or wrong, its your decision, just giving my opinion.
 
WeasteDevil said:
It's called what Niall wishes to call it. If you don't like it, look elsewhere.

This site always had that name, and at one point was more than a series of forums.
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That's the thing, a lot of the regulars will look elsewhere. That's not good.

They have the choice to stay and get wound up with stupid restrictions on their replies or go somewhere the have freedom of speech.
 
UnitedIrishman said:
They have the choice to stay and get wound up with stupid restrictions on their replies or go somewhere the have freedom of speech.
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They do yes!
 
fredthered said:
Exactly. People want to hear whats going on at games, some fans never get to OT and want to learn songs, and what the atmosphere is like. You cant say "well its fine to sing it at matches, but you arent allowed to mention it here".

And to Marching, personally I see you point about the turks jibe, but you wouldnt see Leeds fans getting banned on the Leeds sites for laughing about the death of George Best or singing Munich. No offence, but what do you expect on a United forum? I would expect abuse on a Lids forum and you surely must accept the same from United fans. It might not be in good taste but the bottom line is football never has good or bad tastes. If it hurts them, use it.......

Your lot do, and so do ours. Live with it or give up football forever.
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You are confusing the terraces with a moderated football forum...I followed my team home and away for years standing on those terraces and giving abuse to opposition fans.

I then grew up and realised that there are decent fans at all clubs who you can talk sensibly to about the game we all love.

Of course I expect, and get, banter on here.

Personally, I don't see what the kick is that someone gets out of reminding me of a mate getting stabbed a dozen times for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Whatever is done you will not like it, but why don't you simply wait to see what is done before passing judgement?
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I wasnt aware that something was being done. Although i presume it'll come with a long list of rules.
 
Marching said:
You are confusing the terraces with a moderated football forum...I followed my team home and away for years standing on those terraces and giving abuse to opposition fans.

I then grew up and realised that there are decent fans at all clubs who you can talk sensibly to about the game we all love.

Of course I expect, and get, banter on here.

Personally, I don't see what the kick is that someone gets out of reminding me of a mate getting stabbed a dozen times for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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The thing is, I don't think the scouse fans on here know how to talk sensibly about football. OK slighty over the top. But normally their replies are "18-5" or some other wind up attempt that has no relevance to what the United fans and other fans talk about.

But there are no repercussions for those lads. Whats that newbie forum rule?

Bury Red said:
Persistent Wind Up Merchants will be banned if their effect on the forum becomes negative
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Rules don't apply to scousers?
 
Marching said:
You are confusing the terraces with a moderated football forum...I followed my team home and away for years standing on those terraces and giving abuse to opposition fans.

I then grew up and realised that there are decent fans at all clubs who you can talk sensibly to about the game we all love.

Of course I expect, and get, banter on here.

Personally, I don't see what the kick is that someone gets out of reminding me of a mate getting stabbed a dozen times for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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I see your point, but thats the way it goes. I dont see the kick some get about the deaths of 8 United players in a plane crash, but if I go onto a Lids forum I know its going to happen. Thats why I choose not to go on a Lids forum.

Likewise I wouldnt go onto a Liverpool forum because i know what I will get. The very same thing I would get on the terraces, and I know I would give exactly the same back.

No offence, but its like asking people who go to BNP rallies, to go onto a BNP forum and then have them talk sensibly to immigrants. Its just not going to happen. what they say and do in public is what they will say and do on a forum, moderated or not.

If anything people are more likely to say things on the forums because unlike at matches, where you have to stand and face people, and if you say something someone finds offensive you are likely to get a smack in the gob, you wont get that on a forum.
 
It's quite bizarre that certain posters find themselves unable to react to fairly harmless banter without resorting to tasteless insults and abuse. Some may find it hard to understand but not every football fan wants to spend their time reading such rubbish, regardless of what other forums are like.

I don't post on here too often but it's fair to say it would be a shame if this forum headed down that particular path.
 
WeasteDevil said:
It's called what Niall wishes to call it. If you don't like it, look elsewhere.

This site always had that name, and at one point was more than a series of forums.
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Right, now no offence here, but on the log in page theres a request for people to donate to the upkeep of this site. IF they donate on the premise that they are helping run a United forum, then thats what they should get.

Fair enough if Niall is paying it all out of his own pocket, then you are right, but if others are helping run this site through donations then they also have a say in how its run.

If you want me to donate to the upkeep of this site to keep it as a United forum then fair enough, thats fine. I will pay my way. I havent and never would expect anything for free, and if I had to cough up £10 a year to post on here I would gladly do it.

But I am fecked if I am going to pay to have some dirty bin dipper be allowed to walk in when they like and just take the piss, and me have to pay for it.. And then get banned for reacting to it.

I will gladly give money to help run this site, but ONLY if its a United forum. Not a free for all for anyone to use and abuse as they see fit.
 
Billy said:
It's quite bizarre that certain posters find themselves unable to react to fairly harmless banter without resorting to tasteless insults and abuse. Some may find it hard to understand but not every football fan wants to spend their time reading such rubbish, regardless of what other forums are like.

I don't post on here too often but it's fair to say it would be a shame if this forum headed down that particular path.
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Theres no such thing as harmless banter when it comes to United v Liverpool. Never has been, never will be.

You try headbutting half a house brick lobbed at you by a scouse cnut and then see if you can ignore anything they say to wind you up....
 
fredthered said:
Right, now no offence here, but on the log in page theres a request for people to donate to the upkeep of this site. IF they donate on the premise that they are helping run a United forum, then thats what they should get.
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They donate to what it is, and they wouldn't donate unless they knew what it is would they?
 
fredthered said:
Theres no such thing as harmless banter when it comes to United v Liverpool. Never has been, never will be.

You try headbutting half a house brick lobbed at you by a scouse cnut and then see if you can ignore anything they say to wind you up....
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Only half a house brick Fred...That sounds like a pre-season friendly to me.
 
fredthered said:
I see your point, but thats the way it goes. I dont see the kick some get about the deaths of 8 United players in a plane crash, but if I go onto a Lids forum I know its going to happen. Thats why I choose not to go on a Lids forum.

Likewise I wouldnt go onto a Liverpool forum because i know what I will get. The very same thing I would get on the terraces, and I know I would give exactly the same back.

No offence, but its like asking people who go to BNP rallies, to go onto a BNP forum and then have them talk sensibly to immigrants. Its just not going to happen. what they say and do in public is what they will say and do on a forum, moderated or not.

If anything people are more likely to say things on the forums because unlike at matches, where you have to stand and face people, and if you say something someone finds offensive you are likely to get a smack in the gob, you wont get that on a forum.
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Don't paint all Leeds fans the same....sure you will get some that will take joy in singing about runways and ice but you will get some that wouldn't dream of it, me included.

The fact that this forum attracts 'away' fans makes it better than the likes of Squareball who won't even allow posters to have a MU player in their fantasy football teams.

As the Leeds taunts are so few and far between it might just show that the MU fans on here deserve more credit than you are giving them.
 
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