Fantasy Tournament: World Cup All-Time All-Stars

[antohan]

That isn't it at all and I don't even think you believe that. I have no problem with you arguing for Maradona - I like the team. The problem was your comments on Eusebio which I thought were extremely harsh, the set up is absolutely fine, especially when compared to others formations he has been used in.

You were the one who started the name calling and saying I was an embarrassment, etc.

I love Eusebio to bits, cracking player, and he won't play badly, but this is not his ideal setup at all, nor is it for your team.

Maradona, on the other hand gets Muller, Falcao, Beckenbauer and both wingbacks to shine, as well as doing it himself. Your back three aren't particularly affected by the swap seeing as you aren't (or shouldn't be) playing a high line and the only contentious point is whether van Hanegem can stick to a crook role on Pelé, help pass the ball out of defence, but not venture forward and get in the way trying to compete for creation. Not a massive challenge, and I'm sure he would relish being tasked with shutting out the best player from the rival side as much as possible. Work ethic was never lacking in them Dutch.

 

[Balu]

You were the one who started the name calling and saying I was an embarrassment, etc.

I love Eusebio to bits, cracking player, and he won't play badly, but this is not his ideal setup at all, nor is it for your team.

Maradona, on the other hand gets Muller, Falcao, Beckenbauer and both wingbacks to shine, as well as doing it himself. Your back three aren't particularly affected by the swap seeing as you aren't (or shouldn't be) playing a high line and the only contentious point is whether van Hanegem can stick to a crook role on Pelé, help pass the ball out of defence, but not venture forward and get in the way trying to compete for creation. Not a massive challenge, and I'm sure he would relish being tasked with shutting out the best player from the rival side as much as possible. Work ethic was never lacking in them Dutch.

He might be pissed that he's not allowed to tackle Matthäus all the time, though.

 

[antohan]

Yeah I just remembered that - but that is exactly what I'm talking about. You suggested Eusebio and criticised me for getting Muller instead of him, so you can't believe that bringing him now is a huge error.

I criticised you for not getting any pace upfront, I didn't have an issue with Muller. I actually kept him in what I thought the '82 side could look like as I can hardly think of a better improvement on that lump they had upfront. The main issue was more with Baggio than him (which is why I talked about Romario first and foremost).

There also isn't the 4-2-2-2 Socrates/Zico partnership clogging up space, its just Zico and there will be complete freedom for him to come deep without getting in people's way. I think it is a great set up for him.

A playmaker right behind the two strikers. He never had to refer to/submit to a playmaker, he was very much the one playmaking himself much of the time. Eusebio was a pretty arrogant guy (and rightly so), I can't see him giving two shits about Zico's presence and will most likely want him out of the way rather than try find common ground.

It's just one of those things where you look at the names and it all looks awesome, yet reminds me of this:

 

[antohan]

He might be pissed that he's not allowed to tackle Matthäus all the time, though.

You could tell him the challenge is to do a better job on Pelé than Matthaus on Maradona. Cue

 

[Gio]

Have to say all this pre-match consultation takes the fun out of the games for me. Why can't we have the faith to live and die by our decisions? Management by committee is always a crock of shite.

As for Eusebio, the challenges of fitting him in are being slightly overplayed. He can be a world-class number 9 in this and has less need to create for himself as he did so brilliantly in '66. But what you would end up with is 80% Eusebio, 80% Zico, 80% the forward runs of Beckenbauer/Falcao. I can see why Anto wants a 100% Diego in there and if the price is Da Guia instead of Kohler (I mean he's only the second greatest South American defender of all time), then so be it.

 

[crappycraperson]

Have to say all this pre-match consultation takes the fun out of the games for me. Why can't we have the faith to live and die by our decisions? Management by committee is always a crock of shite.

As for Eusebio, the challenges of fitting him in are being slightly overplayed. He can be a world-class number 9 in this and has less need to create for himself as he did so brilliantly in '66. But what you would end up with is 80% Eusebio, 80% Zico, 80% the forward runs of Beckenbauer/Falcao. I can see why Anto wants a 100% Diego in there and if the price is Da Guia instead of Kohler (I mean he's only the second greatest South American defender of all time), then so be it.

To be honest I started it by asking Balu's opinion. I had no idea it would turn into a free for all.

 

[crappycraperson]

Infact feck it.

We pick Eusebio. @Annahnomoss

 

[Balu]

We really need the sheep draft, much less drama and less discussion.

 

[antohan]

Aye, can't wait for that

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

We really need the sheep draft, much less drama and less discussion.

Aye, can't wait for that

Yeah man I agree, but hasn't @AldoPaine18 passed on managing it?

 

[Annahnomoss]

Infact fcuk it.

We pick Eusebio. @Annahnomoss

Thanks guys! Well picked.

 

[Moby]

Yep.

 

[antohan]

Yep.

Ah, come on Aldo, you want another mini-meltdown with people asking you to reconsider? It's fun, that was the entire point, wasn't it?

 

[Annahnomoss]

@crappycraperson @Theon When can you have the game? For me the sooner the better. I can have my team ready for noon tomorrow.

 

[Moby]

Yeah as I said cant waste anymore time with drafts on here after the way people accused me of cheating. You guys know the rules anyway.

 

[crappycraperson]

whats ur second pick Annah?

 

[Annahnomoss]

Just quadraple checking all the restrictions before I make it official.

 

[antohan]

Yeah as I said cant waste anymore time with drafts on here after the way people accused me of cheating. You guys know the rules anyway.

I was planning on playing it because you were hosting it, someone who could make it light-hearted and wouldn't mind laying down the law. If you are not doing it I can't be arsed either, I would need a mod who would appreciate my mind-games

 

[antohan]

Just quadraple checking all the restrictions before I make it official.

----Ronaldo-----Pelé
--------Maradona
-------8 other guys

Easy.

 

[Annahnomoss]

Mindreader.

 

[antohan]

surely

 

[Theon]

I think he needs a non winner at the back antohan

Winners IIRC - Didi, Matthaus, Cafu, Pele, Charlton, Ronaldo

 

[antohan]

I think he needs a non winner at the back antohan

Winners IIRC - Didi, Matthaus, Cafu, Pele, Charlton, Ronaldo

Constraints aren't that hard when you trust your players.

 

[Theon]

Constraints aren't that hard when you trust your players.

Eh?

 

[antohan]

Eh?

You know, like throwing Da Guia under the bus for no good reason at all. Of course constraints are hard when you do that.

 

[Theon]

You know, like throwing Da Guia under the bus for no good reason at all. Of course constraints are hard when you do that.

You are very strange.

 

[Annahnomoss]

I pick Bobby Moore.

 

[Theon]

Are you under any illusion that Leonidas is out of this for good?

That idea that he will pick a winner is not what was strange.

The strange part was you responding with a some weird dig, when all I did was list his winners.

 

[antohan]

Christ, Theon has now resorted to making up posts of mine. lulzy

 

[Polaroid]

Lets get this draft done with so that we can kick off the match on Wed 5 Feb noon GMT. Technically, Annah can already make his 2nd pick since a few hrs ago. If no tactics are sent to me by the aforementioned time, I will declare a walkover.

@Annahnomoss
@crappycraperson
@Theon
Take note of the match timing. Nothing sent by then=walkover

 

[Polaroid]

@Balu
@antohan

I can set up your match after u all have agreed how to draft additional players

 

[antohan]

@Balu
@antohan

I can set up your match after u all have agreed how to draft additional players

Nah, it was fun when we thought about it on Friday as a distraction game. Looks a damp squib right now.

Would be happy to post stuff on here, but it's rather pointless to go for education/death by poll.

I was trying hard to fit Voronin in that role next to Bozsik but couldn't The Soviets really deserved a mention in a discussion about total football.

 

[crappycraperson]

Yeah as I said cant waste anymore time with drafts on here after the way people accused me of cheating. You guys know the rules anyway.

Crybaby

 

[Annahnomoss]

@Annahnomoss
@crappycraperson
@Theon
Take note of the match timing. Nothing sent by then=walkover

Alright mate, sounds great. Not sure how available I will be but I will do my best to be available.

 

[antohan]

We were looking at really doing justice to a whole bunch of players who never get a look in or the praise they deserve in these drafts. It all started going a bit manic though trying to keep together the original sides, the restrictions, bringing random players up out of nowhere... and it increasingly looked like a random game with us two talking with each other and repeating ourselves on everything we discussed about total football while preparing for it.

Tedious.

 

[Polaroid]

Alright mate, sounds great. Not sure how available I will be but I will do my best to be available.

If it is a bad time u can let me know, same for crappy

 

[crappycraperson]

If it is a bad time u can let me know, same for crappy

i m fine with it. upto anna

 

[Annahnomoss]

Lets go! Sounds cool!

 

[Fergus' son]

Theon is trying to work out your next pick. Can you post your final teamsheet so we can get on with this?

If we stick to the '86 analogy here, I don't see a problem with fielding Beckenbauer and Falcao in those roles. They're both more than capable of playing the roles of Burruchaga and Enrique - with the added bonus that they're a hell of sight better. It lacks an ideal candidate for the pure DM role (Batista '86) but the idea of letting Maradona be himself, as it were, with Beckenbauer and Falcao playing more "modestly" behind him is very appealing to me. Falcao is ideally suited for such a subtle role in my opinion. It's not far from what he did within the magic square - in many ways playing a brilliant second fiddle to Zico. And Beckenbauer is Beckenbauer. He doesn't have to orchestrate to shine - he'll shine in his own way regardless.

Agreed.

Charlton didn't man-mark Beckenabuer, it was the other way around, but it effectively took Beckenbauer out of the game without Charlton requiring any instruction on him.

Charlton has mentioned before that he was 'doing a man marking job' on Kaiser but your description of what happened was pretty spot on too.

Have to say all this pre-match consultation takes the fun out of the games for me. Why can't we have the faith to live and die by our decisions? Management by committee is always a crock of shite.

As for Eusebio, the challenges of fitting him in are being slightly overplayed. He can be a world-class number 9 in this and has less need to create for himself as he did so brilliantly in '66. But what you would end up with is 80% Eusebio, 80% Zico, 80% the forward runs of Beckenbauer/Falcao. I can see why Anto wants a 100% Diego in there and if the price is Da Guia instead of Kohler (I mean he's only the second greatest South American defender of all time), then so be it.

Agreed.

I'm actually astonished that team crappy seems to think Da Guia is a huge downgrade on Kohler.

 

[crappycraperson]

I'm actually astonished that team crappy seems to think Da Guia is a huge downgrade on Kohler.

I don't. Eusebio over Diego is simply about which gives us more chance of winning. I would have preferred Maradona in the current set up instead of Zico but that could not be done.