Fantasy Tournament: World Cup All-Time All-Stars

That Hidegkuti swap would be awesome :lol: Yeah, make it happen! Mmm... we really need to think this through. I could use Varela and Hidegkuti and let you have Neeskens. Since it's not competitive, we could feck the rules off really. Don't think the Magyars will get a fair hearing then though. Mmmm... I would hate playing against Neeskens but he does truly belong there... One to think about over the weekend. It may just end up being quite farcical, who stops any two random people coming up with X teams and making them play each other...

Well, there's a concept...

Anyhow, the three were to get you warmed up, you know the fourth is the Holy Grail. Come on, you are German, you are not proud of not finishing something are you?
 
antohan said:
Confusing, much?



You really need to watch more Neeskens.
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There's no Total Footballer at the class of Neeskens. So either he picks other midfielders who are at the same level, or he picks better matches stylistically that are a lot worse skill-wise.
 
Balu said:
Of course it made sense, it's brilliant and it's brilliantly presented, imo. You didn't know that Cruyff explains the diamond video? I linked to it in my first game. Did no one watch the youtube videos I linked to? They were all prove that what I explained actually works :(.
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Nah, just watched the tactics breakdown and manic pressing one in your first game. Awesome.
 
antohan said:
That Hidegkuti swap would be awesome :lol: Yeah, make it happen! Mmm... we really need to think this through. I could use Varela and Hidegkuti and let you have Neeskens. Since it's not competitive, we could feck the rules off really. Don't think the Magyars will get a fair hearing then though. Mmmm... I would hate playing against Neeskens but he does truly belong there... One to think about over the weekend. It may just end up being quite farcical, who stops any two random people coming up with X teams and making them play each other...

Well, there's a concept...

Anyhow, the three were to get you warmed up, you know the fourth is the Holy Grail. Come on, you are German, you are not proud of not finishing something are you?
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I like the Hidegkuti idea to connect both teams, because there clearly is a connection. But Ceulemans deserves a game in which he gets some praise as well. We need to play twice :lol:
 
antohan said:
Nah, just watched the tactics breakdown and manic pressing one in your first game. Awesome.
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Well finally you start to value my work after voting against me all the time :mad:.

That pressing video against Argentina is awsome. It really shows every single touch Argentina had in the first half and they really were completely lost.
 
Think it through over the weekend, I'm fine throwing the restrictions out of the window so long as we keep it reasonably balanced and there are no shiny toys/superteam nonsense involved.

Maybe resurrect Rensenbrink and Rep? I'd rather not play Jairzinho! :lol: It does get a bit bland though, doesn't it? There's no manager input, just reformign real sides. Nah, feck that.
 
Nope, restrictions stay, imo. It's boring when it isn't my team anymore. Hidegkuti needs to fly in though, Ceulemans will be injured at halftime so I need a back up.
 
Balu said:
Well finally you start to value my work after voting against me all the time :mad:.

That pressing video against Argentina is awsome. It really shows every single touch Argentina had in the first half and they really were completely lost.
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I do think it all gets a bit overblown by how shit the SAM teams were and how completely unprepared they were for it all. Hugely naive. Mind, 12 years on Denmark shat on us again. :lol:
 
During my game against Annah, I started to ask myself how Brazil '70 would have reacted to Dutch pressing, that would have been really interesting to watch.
 
Hard to predict. In one way the Brazilians are perfect to counter it with their great technique, dribbling, passing and movement. On the other hand it may catch them of guard if you played with a total football high line and offside traps and started the pressure on my half on my defenders - then I think it would have been effective.

Just isn't very radical to press when the opponent gets on your own half, nothing total football or revolutionary about it. So real Total Football would have been hard for them to handle in my eyes, of course not impossible by any means.
 
All well, gents? Anto off fishing, Aldo drunk in a ditch somewhere - and no semifinal until tomorrow? I do hope it's tomorrow, as I'm looking at a boring-as-feck working day and could use some entertaining breaks.

Re: Rensenbrink. He was never picked? And not Conti either. Two oversights in my book. Surely someone could've used Rensenbrink on the left.

Re: the Brazil '82 variations. My initial thought when that team showed up in the first round was that the formula is surely one of the easiest ones (of the classic WC sides) to improve almost to perfection. Replace the relatively non-glorious front men with some real star quliaty and you're looking at a frightening team - then upgrade the defense (not necessarily in dramatic fashion, just a good, solid CB pairing and a better keeper, possibly a better RB too) and you have something approaching a Rolls Royce of a team. The Cerezo-Falcao-Socrates-Zico square is, for me, simply amazing. You just need to tweak a bit in front and behind 'em.

But, of course, it all depends on whether you actually like the magic square - which some don't.

Right - until tomorrow.
 
I am not going to be on very long either so if you guys send it to me I will start it tomorrow instead unless it is sent very soon.

So if you want the game up now you can just get someone else to do it!
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Re: Rensenbrink. He was never picked? And not Conti either. Two oversights in my book. Surely someone could've used Rensenbrink on the left.
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Both incredible. I spent much time kicking myself for not picking Conti as a sub at least and spare him the ignominy. Balu and I were on the same page early on, if I couldn't get Bozsik and Czibor I was going Dutch and getting van Hanegem and Rensenbrink. In his case once he missed out on Neeskens he focused on Jairzinho-Carlos Alberto and not being too tied to the Dutch. Seems everyone else just ignored him.

Re: the Brazil '82 variations. My initial thought when that team showed up in the first round was that the formula is surely one of the easiest ones (of the classic WC sides) to improve almost to perfection. Replace the relatively non-glorious front men with some real star quliaty and you're looking at a frightening team - then upgrade the defense (not necessarily in dramatic fashion, just a good, solid CB pairing and a better keeper, possibly a better RB too) and you have something approaching a Rolls Royce of a team. The Cerezo-Falcao-Socrates-Zico square is, for me, simply amazing. You just need to tweak a bit in front and behind 'em.

But, of course, it all depends on whether you actually like the magic square - which some don't.
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I don't quite like the magic square per se. I did like the Junior to midfield, Falcao to AM, Zico to CF and CF to wing carrousel. That's really where the tricky side is. You need pace upfront, a top striker and the guy on the left drifting wide so that Zico can attack that space. Boniek-Muller does the job, you will find it very hard to get a better pairing (don't think you can actually) considering once you pic so many Brazilians it's two Europeans upfront you are looking at.

Junior, Falcao, Zico and Socrates are all essential to make it "the same". Then for an attacking fullback on the right you are looking at Cafu or Carlos Alberto really (yeah, could go Gerets but it loses a truckload of samba in the process). That leaves you with one remaining SAM slot and one post-72 slot. It gets very tricky there. The only ones you can play with are really Beckenbauer/Bozsik/Ocwirk, Moore/Beckenbauer/Schnellinger and Yashin/Maier/Banks.
 
antohan said:
Both incredible. I spent much time kicking myself for not picking Conti as a sub at least and spare him the ignominy. Balu and I were on the same page early on, if I couldn't get Bozsik and Czibor I was going Dutch and getting van Hanegem and Rensenbrink. In his case once he missed out on Neeskens he focused on Jairzinho-Carlos Alberto and not being too tied to the Dutch. Seems everyone else just ignored him.
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I still was tied to the Dutch, but with Krol gone in the 2nd round, the Davids - de Boer connection made more sense and I wanted Haan for his versatility and had always my eye on Ceulemans for the Neeskens role. That's 5 post '72 Europeans gone. It was way easier to find Southamerican wide players (fullbacks and wingers) than midfielders and centerbacks who fit into the team. So it pretty much became a Dutch midfield/European defense team with Southamerican wings and Gilmar in goal to fit the continent restrictions. I hoped someone would pick Rensenbrink to maybe get him later, I could have played him on the left with Kempes as the AM in the 2nd game, but with Neeskens coming in for the 3rd game, he would have been benched again. Crazy, but no way around it.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Re: Rensenbrink. He was never picked? And not Conti either. Two oversights in my book. Surely someone could've used Rensenbrink on the left.
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Conti was tricky because he was a post-72 European winner. Even then, I count 19 outfield players who featured in 1982 and he was as good as any of them. Moroever, the lack of quality wingers in the draft and his own versatility on either flank surely would've made him a great pick. I can, even at this stage, see him causing problems for these back three's, or back four's with suspect full-backs.
 
:lol: It's a total mind-feck. I got lost when it was suggested that random knocked-out teams face off against each other instead of the semi-final.
 
:lol: Was a hell of a ride for a while there. I thought Anto was on some bizarre WUM to begin with when he began dropping hints. Nevertheless, a good tournament needs a good scandal if you ask me. Maradona busted for illegal substances, etc.
 
antohan said:
I don't quite like the magic square per se. I did like the Junior to midfield, Falcao to AM, Zico to CF and CF to wing carrousel. That's really where the tricky side is. You need pace upfront, a top striker and the guy on the left drifting wide so that Zico can attack that space. Boniek-Muller does the job, you will find it very hard to get a better pairing (don't think you can actually) considering once you pic so many Brazilians it's two Europeans upfront you are looking at.

Junior, Falcao, Zico and Socrates are all essential to make it "the same". Then for an attacking fullback on the right you are looking at Cafu or Carlos Alberto really (yeah, could go Gerets but it loses a truckload of samba in the process). That leaves you with one remaining SAM slot and one post-72 slot. It gets very tricky there. The only ones you can play with are really Beckenbauer/Bozsik/Ocwirk, Moore/Beckenbauer/Schnellinger and Yashin/Maier/Banks.
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Yes - I didn't think too much about the restrictions and - not least - the chance that someone else snatches the very players you need. It's a damn good point about the guy on the left, as you say. That is the key. You're not looking for two men up front in the normal sense but rather a striker and...something else, a hybrid player of sorts - and one, at that, who doesn't get in Zico's way, as it were. Boniek is a brilliant shout - and you're quite right, there aren't too many who fit that bill.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
But I have to say that line-up is hardly outrageous.
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:lol: It wasn't bad at all, absolutely not at all.

Antohan definitely stoked that argument. The impression given was that it was Krol or Maldini at right back, like this

Maldini -- Santamaria -- Moore -- Krol

No idea why antohan didn't just clarify it last night, we spoke about it for ages. I think he just wanted me to drop out so that he could play :lol:
 
Theon said:
:lol: It wasn't bad at all, absolutely not at all.

Antohan definitely stoked that argument. The impression given was that it was Krol or Maldini at right back, like this

Maldini -- Santamaria -- Moore -- Krol

No idea why antohan didn't just clarify it last night, we spoke about it for ages. I think he just wanted me to drop out so that he could play :lol:
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What? feck right off with that suggestion Theon. For starters I didn't have a confirmed lineup, nor could I possibly tell you what it was (Bro code and all that).

I told you several times you were assuming Krol was on the right. I also said I didn't think your attack required a four-man backline. I added in any case I could see a great LB out of position being at least as good as Phil Neville, whom I thought woud be fine dealing with Carlos. You got so offended by the latter you seem to have ignored everything else I said.

Be honest mate, you were disheartened Cafu-Carlos was no longer a possibility. It is no one's fault you passed on him in the first upgrade round. Yours, no one else's.

feck off really, what a fecking retard pinning this on anyone but yourself.
 
antohan said:
What? feck right off with that suggestion Theon. For starters I didn't have a confirmed lineup, nor could I possibly tell you what it was (Bro code and all that).

I told you several times you were assuming Krol was on the right. I also said I didn't think your attack required a four-man backline. I added in any case I could see a great LB out of position being at least as good as Phil Neville, whom I thought woud be fine dealing with Carlos. You got so offended by the latter you seem to have ignored everything else I said.

Be honest mate, you were disheartened Cafu-Carlos was no longer a possibility. It is no one's fault you passed on him in the first upgrade round. Yours, no one else's.

feck off really, what a fecking retard pinning this on anyone but you.
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:lol: Do one antohan and don't tell me to feck off.

Calm yourself down, the comment that you wanted to play was a joke because you kept banging on about it all morning. You offered half the Caf a game at some point.

And your off your nut if you don't think you led me to believe it was Krol at right back. You're talking complete shit. You could easily have said "oh no he's just playing three centre backs". The only reason I believed he was playing Krol there if because of your comments. For example

antohan said:
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What are you talking about with Cafu/Carlos? Nutter. I picked Müller in the upgrades and I'm not even sure I could have fit Cafu in, in fact I couldn't. Too many post 70's.
 
So that segment is what you have, really? When I was trying to explain YOUR thoughts?

You are really lucky I'm not able to copy paste for some reason on this shit tablet because you really really would look stupid if I posted what you said and what I said. No one in their right mind would conclude I was saying Krol was playing RB. In fact, for en entire page I don't even mention Krol and you are the one assuming that all along.

YOU are the one who contacted several other managers with that same notion in mind, not me.

feck off, you are a cnut and clearly back to business as usual with that stupid victim of the restrictions thing. You want Cafu you pick him, simple, sort it out later if needs be.
 
Theon said:
You could easily have said "oh no he's just playing three centre backs".
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Last night I didn't know for sure. This morning, way after you told me you weren't playing, I did. Either way, there's no fecking way I was telling you his lineup. If I'm given the lineups to start the game that would be terrible form.

You came on a fishing expedition yesterday trying to suss his lineup. You were the one complainng about the rb thing from the off, I said I couldn't comment and you kept banging on so I told you my take on out of position players. My example actually was whether Maldini could do a job on Carlos or not!!!! No Krol, no Rb, in fact I said I didn't see why anyone would need a back four against you.

I spent thr entire morning defending you and asking peope to lay off you. You know what, you deserve every shit you got and more. Wanker.
 
:lol: feck off antohan you complete tit, you knew full well what you were implying.

I can't understand why you wouldn't just say 'no they aren't cheating' when I asked you instead of stringing me along.. What would have been the problem?

I told you last night that I couldn't be arsed with it if the restrictions were being bent that way, when other people have gotten shit for it previously and paceme wasn't allowed to play Thuram there.

There was no reason for you not to just clarify that they weren't bending the rules. All of this would have been avoided. I bet you thought it was hilarious.
 
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Firstly, I DIDN'T KNOW THEIR FINAL LINEUP you feckwit.

Second, how should I know YOU don't consider that cheating? You spent our entire game saying I was playing one defender and two wingbacks. When Balu showed his diamond you said he had one defender and two fullbacks. As far as everything you've said so far goes, Maldini is playing fullback!

I was very clear in my example: if Pol places Maldini doing a job on Carlos I'll be fine with it because it's not like he is asked to deal with Boniek and provide the width upfront, just a job on Carlos. You were outraged.

Never mind, I'll copy the entire exchange for people to make up their minds once I get hold of a PC with internet.

You'll look a right tit so you'd better start changing your tune in the meantime.

So predictable, I even started a separate thread this morning copying Snow, I could see this coming a mile away. You really are a spoilt brat aren't you?
 
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