Alright, if that is Pol's final ruling. I will be changing my pick.
Fantasy tournament: World Cup 2014
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It is a gamble with one squad place but it could be one that pays off, that is part of the fun in this game
It's a completely ridiculous concept. It was bad enough to say if he happened to even play a friendly for Albania there would have to be a repick but HAS TO HAVE DECLARED?????????????????
Nonsense, complete nonsense. I don't think he will declare for anyone at all, 90% certain of that and actually admire the kid for it
Calm down Anto, please see post above
With the WC coming up, it is highly probable that he would declare his allegiance by then if he does intend to represent a WC nation
The OP doesn't state at any point that the player has to play at the WC, be eligible for it, or declare his availability. It says Players whose nations are in the World Cup. James Tomkins from WHU is eligible, he would never get calle dup, but he is eligible.
It was never about representing in the WC, it never said that anywhere. The entire thing is a shambles if you make up rules as you go along. Fair play to crappy, but I'm not impresed.
And I expect every player who doesn't get called up for the World Cup to be repicked, of course, since effectively demanding that someone declares is demanding he gets called up.
What a completely ridiculous idea.
What a completely ridiculous idea.
I sort of agree with you Anto but it's Pol's draft so he makes the rules. IMO only if Januzaj explicitly declares for a team not in WC, then only it should be a void pick.
He could play a friendly for Albania but declare to represent Belgium competitively, we will consider him Belgian in this case
The precedent has been set in Diego Costa's ruling when Aldo brought it up earlier in this thread - he played friendlies for Brazil but declared for Spain
But if he declares for no one then that leaves him eligible for Belgium at least?
That's not a valid precedent. It would be if you were deciding between Croatia and Belgium. Costa was eligible under two nations but his declaring for one indicated that's the one he should be picked under. It doesn't automatically make it a rule that players MUST have declared. Different things.
The mighty Adnan Januzaj has got everyone's knickers in a twist and all they can hold onto is demanding he declares for a nation in his first year in the senior side, aged 18.
You couldn't make it up.
You couldn't make it up.
This is just like when Brwned acted like Stalin.
Deleting posts and whatnot.Jokes aside though, I'm positively fuming. It's just not fair on crappy, not at all.
I did not say Januzaj has to be called up or play in the WC. The rule in the OP says players whose nations are at the WC are available for drafting. We do not what his nation is yet until he declares. This does not mean we cannot pick him now, but in the event he later picks Albania, it does not make sense to have him in this tournament.
OK, but that's different now. You said he HAD to declare for Belgium, which was ludicrous as no one really expects him to declare for anyone at all. No way you can hold crappy accountable for whether the kid decides to declare or not. If it's a matter of he can't officially declare for Albania fair enough.
how so?
It would make sense for him to make up his mind either way before the WC squads are announced. There's a decent chance he'll make Belgium's squad.
That I disagreed with.
This I agree with.
Two different things so let's clarify:
Declares for Belgium = OK
Doesn't declare at all because he doesn't want to rush into a decision = OK (as Belgian, as place of birth should take precedence over some random family tie in Croatia)
Declares for Albania or any of the 100s of nations he can declare for which aren't at the WC = NOK, needs repick drafted in
Exactly. Even if he does not make the squad, he will still be in this tournament by virtue of Belgium being at the WC
I don't think he will declare for anyone at all. He hasn't been part of the Belgium setup and would be unlikely to feature so he will keep his options open, that's my point. In that case his eligibility for Belgium is intact, Belgium are at the World Cup, so he should be fine under the rules. Now if he declares for Albania then yeah, fair enough, crappy is screwed, that's a reasonable risk.
Have we agreed he is fine so long as he doesn't declare for a non-WC participating nation then?
Should we take silence as a yes?
I must say Anto's enthusiasm in these drafts is something else.
I must say Anto's enthusiasm in these drafts is something else.
You don't say, I was going to bed when you made your pick and here I am three and a half hours later waiting for some sort of decision so we can work out what to do. The entire drafting sequence goes tits up though, it is no minor issue.
Go to bed Anto
Sorry I was away
Crappycrapperson and Anto, as per the OP quoted above, all players whose nations will be at WC 2014 are available for drafting. If by the tournament proper in late May, we still do not know what Januzaj's nation is, how can we say his nation will be at WC 2014? Does this make sense to others too?
Personally I do not mind considering him as Belgian for the purpose of this game even if a month later he declares for Albania or England or Croatia or some other nation. But as organiser, I have to be fair to others. If you have their consent to pick him as Belgian regardless of what unfolds later, please proceed to pick him
How does this affect the drafting sequence?
Ok let's do a straw poll then -
What anto said
Ok with it - crappy, Pol
Not ok with it-
@jakec
@Cal?
@Theon
@Isotope
@Fergus'son
@AldoPaine18
If even one person is not ok with it. That will be that
What anto said
Ok with it - crappy, Pol
Not ok with it-
@jakec
@Cal?
@Theon
@Isotope
@Fergus'son
@AldoPaine18
If even one person is not ok with it. That will be that
Go for it, crappy.
Sorry I was away
Crappycrapperson and Anto, as per the OP quoted above, all players whose nations will be at WC 2014 are available for drafting. If by the tournament proper in late May, we still do not know what Januzaj's nation is, how can we say his nation will be at WC 2014? Does this make sense to others too?
Personally I do not mind considering him as Belgian for the purpose of this game even if a month later he declares for Albania or England or Croatia or some other nation. But as organiser, I have to be fair to others. If you have their consent to pick him as Belgian regardless of what unfolds later, please proceed to pick him
No one knows what unfolds later? As said, we are fine repicking later if he declares for Albania, which he won't. So long as he does NOT declare for another non participating nation he is eligible for a participating nation. Sure, the issue there is which one, Belgium or Croatia? Well, we have said all along we put him forward as Belgian so that shouldn't be an issue.
I'm tired, it's almost 7am here, feck waiting for everyone to agree, if they don't agree they are the greatest twats in the history of caf games, and that includes all those currently playing Werewolf.
I'm making the call here, we stick to Januzaj and if he declares for Albania we repick in May. If anyone has an issue with Januzaj not having declared for Belgium in May they can all feck off and we pull out. Over and out.
Even if anyone says it is not ok for you to give Januzaj exemption from the OP rule, you can still pick Januzaj by stating the nationality you are picking him on. If Januzaj declares for that country, great. If not, he is dropped from your squad but nothing else is affected.
Would have to go into detail, bloody nightmare. Think about it: start looking for players in that role, start switching nationalities around, start having to take different calculated risks... We know exactly who we are picking from now to 12th.
I don't want to pick him if it is paramount for him to declare before the WC. I am ready to risk him declaring for Albania
Thanks
Don't confuse the shit out of it, that's random gambling when the entire thing is just down to logical thought processes:
- Born in participating nation
- Not declared for non-participating nation
- Therefore eligible for participating nation
Go to bed Anto, we will sort this out
Admirable of you crappy. Pointless though, the whole thing will be set back for days waiting for jake who will no doubt be fine with it anyway.
I'm OK with it.