Fantastic Five coming to Manchester United

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Ekeke said:
I think Shaw is clearly different to Baines and Coleman. He's miles better at his age than they were and will definitely his their level a lot sooner than they did.
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Not saying he's bad. I kinda rate him (from FM :P)

But we're talking about world class. And that's the label of the very best in their position : Lahm, Carlos, Evra on his prime, Ashley Cole

And Imo it's not a discredit to him if I doubted him going to be world class, not every player goes on to be world class, he's still very good though.

Do you think Baines' world class atm Ekeke?
 
Amadaeus said:
Yes. Perhaps number 5 is less realistic than the rest, but Lucas Moura is discontent with his playing time at Psg and he could want a move elsewhere. Same with Di Maria, with the introduction of Bale. Even though Ancellotti has found a way to incoporate him into the team via a central midfield role, their is a possibility that he could be displaced by Isco or Modric(with Alonso, khedira, or illaremendi holding) Nevertheless, on that option, I could not come up with any other noteworthy wide player at that time. So I am flexible for change in this area :).



* Günogan contracts expires in 2015, so Dortmund would have to sell this upcoming window to recieve a good fee for him. Since, it is rumored we have been interested for awhile, I can not see why he would not be a realistic signing come this summer window. Not being in the champion league mighy be a blow like for most of our noteworthy signing, but he would be paid much more at United, playing for a more prestigious club with greater ambitious considering how one sided the German league is becoming.

Kovacic is barely getting any playing time and Inter or the Italian league is not as prominent as it used to be. He is a realistic target if Manchester Unuted shows interest. An article that might help. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1988124-transfer-target-who-will-rescue-mateo-kovacic-from-inter
I believe he is good enough to start consistent games. Like Pogba at Juventus who proved Sir Alex Ferguson wrong, Kovacic is very capable of becoming a main man in our midfield. He will get support from Fellaini, Powell, etc., so we will not be overly dependant on him.

**Funnily enough, I think Shaw would be one of the hardest to get considering interest shown by Chelsea. A club he admire. He is realistic though because he will be attainable this summer if a club make a bid. If United get him, it will be a great catch considering his club preference.

***Mangala is attainable for a set price. He is a realistic target, but competition will be tough considering City interest. Hummel might stay with Dortmund, just for the reason that their would be too much exodus of star players in that club. The board and Klopp might not want to be viewed as a selling club, so the possibility of both Gündogan and Hummels leaving in the same window is small, unless a good deal is made. We have good depth in this area, so if Mangala does not seem ready, we are covered with Jones, Smailling and Evans. All those four are capable of vying for a starting center back role and I do not see any other club that has as good a depth in that area if these players aforementioned became our center backs options.
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I have just knew that, thanks.

With his quality is clearly visible, and the way that a good midfield of his type is rare, I think we'll be facing serious competition for him. Not going to be easy. He will improve our Midfield instantly.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Nani, young and Valencia get what we can for them and ship them out.
I would like to see Hernandez and Zaha stay.
Has for the fantastic Five, doubt we will get 1 never mind 5.
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I would love Hernandez to stay, but he needs to be getting more playing time. He does not seem to be getting that with Moyes since, he prefers to play Rooney in the number 9 role ahead of him and Welbeck performances this season has put him ahead of Hernandez. Moreover, Van Persie has not shown any signs that he would want to leave United. So he will be limited to few amount of games and will lack match sharpeness as we saw against West Ham. Such a subsidary role, might be better suited for W. Keane or Henriquez. We might even play a false no 9 and put Januzaj or Powell in that role if we are limited.

Out of Nani, Valencia and Young, I think one should stay. I am not sure we will get the 5 playsrs aforementioned in my post :), but that will be a great summer if we do :)
 
Sky1981 said:
Luke Shaw is not world class : I don't think many would disagree with that
Luke Shaw will not be world class anytime soon : He's 20. What age does Baines cement that "Best LB in the League"

And yes, I don't think Moyes is the manager that can improve his players by miles, his tactical knowledge is inept, his coaches are 2nd class, and to be world class you'll need all the best coaching you can get, unless you have shit heaps of natural talent ala Maradona.
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I didn't say he is world class and he is 18 actually. Maybe he never will become world class but you are implying that he'd have no chance of it under Moyes. Just another bash at Moyes for no reason.

As I already stated Moyes got Baines and Coleman performing highly and others like Osman and Jagielka who both got into the national side under Moyes. You have no clue what the coaches even do so how do you know they are 2nd class? Is Giggs second class, is Phil Neville second class? Have your doubts about Shaw becoming world class but don't randomly throw in a few jibes at Moyes for no reason.

Shaw doesn't have to be world class anyway. There are hardly any world class left-backs in the world. If he becomes the best in the league and one of the best across Europe then he is more than good enough.
 
Sky1981 said:
Not saying he's bad. I kinda rate him (from FM :P)

But we're talking about world class. And that's the label of the very best in their position : Lahm, Carlos, Evra on his prime, Ashley Cole

And Imo it's not a discredit to him if I doubted him going to be world class, not every player goes on to be world class, he's still very good though.

Do you think Baines' world class atm Ekeke?
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I think Baines was better last season, at that point yes. I also think none of the left backs we are linked to are "world class" if we're citing those players in their prime. Coentrao certainly isnt, so why should Shaw be as a teen?
 
Ekeke said:
I think Shaw is clearly different to Baines and Coleman. He's miles better at his age than they were and will definitely his their level a lot sooner than they did.
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world class or not, I still think Moyes is not the best manager for a Youngster, in a way that if he was given a raw Ronaldo + 5 years, he will never get the same Player we got
 
Sky1981 said:
world class or not, I still think Moyes is not the best manager for a Youngster, in a way that if he was given a raw Ronaldo + 5 years, he will never get the same Player we got
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I agree with the Ronaldo part, but whatever we all say about Moyes, he has usually been a pretty good defensive manager. He can get Shaw to develop really well, just like his other fullbacks at Everton did. If it was an a winger like Ronaldo coming to the team, then I agree, he would probably stifle him a lot, but I don't think we'd have anything to worry about with a fullback.
 
We need quality, we need 2 CM's, a LB and a utility defender. I also would like to see a pacey attacker added to the squad with a couple of our wingers shipped out. I don't think we'll skimp either.

CM's
Carvahlo - I know nothing about him but this one seems to be on the cards and will add a mobile DM from what I've read.
Gundogan - Most think we wont get him but it's clear we need a creative midfielder in the team and I think he is more likely than Kroos.

LB
Luke Shaw - I see us building a strong English core at the back and Shaw will be part of it.

CB
N/A - I think this will be a more low key buy, an older player who will be bought to add depth while Evans, Jones and Smalling compete for the starting spots and Keane gets his chance as a squad player.

Wide attacker
Lucas Moira/Alexis Sanchez - I think we need a jet heeled forward to add to the mix of Kagawa, Mata and Januzaj. Reus would be my first choice but I can't see Dortmund selling two of their top players in one summer and Gundogan is likely to go whether it's to us or not. Lucas was on our radar and his agent recently mentioned he could be interested still, and Alexis seems to be out of favour again now that Messi is fit and they can't drop Neymar.
 
Señor said:
Kroos, Carvalho, Vidal, Shaw, Hummels

I doubt we'll even get two of those tbh.

You have to wonder why Fergie wasn't allowed such a huge transfer budget whereas it looks like Moyes will be. Perhaps he didn't want it nor did he need it, but I get the feeling we "settled" for what we got after we sold Ronaldo and Tevez. With two league titles, I know I sound spoilt and I probably am, but imagine what we could have achieved if Fergie was to have spent big and properly replaced our big guns. I get the feeldin we would have been rivals for top dogs in Europe and we probably wouldn't be in this situation when he inevitably called it quits.
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All you have to do is fail miserably and then you'll be backed with tonnes of money. It's Fergie's fault for winning things.
 
Kroos, Vidal, Gundogan, Reus, Shaw we should be chasing.

Pedro, Di Maria, Sanchez we should be in for if they want out (unlikely).
 
Carvalho, Vidal, Mangala, Shaw, Ibra (wish list)

I think we'll go for:

Carvalho, Gundogan, Coentrao, Garay, Coleman
 
Moyes is so long-term in his planning he's already preparing to replace 4 of the 5 in summer of 2015 with players even more expensive than these.
 
Only Bayern player who could realistically join is is Shaqiri. I'd be astonished to see Kroos leave Bayern for no CL football.

I'd be chuffed with the former though - would love to have him on the wing for us.
 
can see us spending £100m, but recouping about £30m from a few sales. Hernandez should get a decent fee. A few million for Anderson, then surely one of the wingers will go, depending on how Mata and Januzaj are going to be used.
 
How much would Benatia set us back? He'd be pretty expensive I'm sure, but certainly cheaper than Mangala's asking price, and he's more proven than Mangala IMO.
 
Nickosaur said:
How much would Benatia set us back? He'd be pretty expensive I'm sure, but certainly cheaper than Mangala's asking price, and he's more proven than Mangala IMO.
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Would he want a season in the cl with roma
would barca offer him more prestige and cl football
or would say city offer him more money and cl football
would be a good signing for us but not sure if we would be the best option on offer for him
 
At this stage, I'd take this "fantastic five" being a new manager, his assistant and three coaches.
 
sun_tzu said:
Would he want a season in the cl with roma
would barca offer him more prestige and cl football
or would say city offer him more money and cl football
would be a good signing for us but not sure if we would be the best option on offer for him
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Unfortunately that's likely to be true of almost every player we will be looking at. Ultimately we are going to have to spend a lot of money, not just on fees and wages, but probably also on greasing a few wheels with agents/hangers on.
 
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Nickosaur said:
How much would Benatia set us back? He'd be pretty expensive I'm sure, but certainly cheaper than Mangala's asking price, and he's more proven than Mangala IMO.
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around 15 to 20 m gbp according to Italian press
 
I would make four key changes to this United side.

1) Genuinely commanding centre-back. Mobility, power, hopefully some passing ability. Big Vinny is a grand example when he plays well. Thiago Silva etc.

2) New left-back. Absolutely love Patrice Evra, but he can't defend at this level too well any more nor is he offering amazing service down the flank. Many full-backs are average defenders, so it would be nice to find a genuinely quick player down the left with good delivery. The guy in the German league who has a Mexican name but isn't Mexican seems to be on highlights whenever they're on BT Sport...not sure of his name but a current example if you will.

3) A bonkers CM. Perhaps someone like or in the mould of Vidal but someone who can genuinely do everything. Pass, shoot, score, dribble, hurt people, swear, get caught on webcam with ugly women, take his ladyfriend to Nando's, tells Moyes he's greying.

4) A goal-scoring winger. We won't get Reus but someone like Reus who will guarantee you 10-15 goals a season at worst, also capable of creating chances. Incredible pace, skill, ability to beat a man, doesn't need to track back because he's the one you want on the counter.

Basically add more pace and have the speed of play increase causing the opposition to tire when chasing the ball rather than this fake methodical style of play we've been using for the last 6 months. Oh look, Michael take the ball from Chris Smalling - pass it to Wayne and he'll spray it out to Valencia. He'll proceed to cut-back to Rafael who'll knock it square to Tom Cleverley, Tom will then pass it Rooney who will knock it first time to Antonio who will stop on the ball for 25 seconds and then hit the ball into the ankle of the full-back leading to us WINNING A THROW-IN. 1-0 TO THE CHAMPIONS!

So in terms of a fantastic five arriving?

I'd hope for: Benatia - I like Roma this season. They are defensively solid and he's been a key player in that back line. If they had the quality Juve have further up the pitch, they'd be right up there. Destro, an aging Totti, Gervinho and Florenzi isn't winning titles. He's their joint 3rd top scorer in the league I think.

Shaw - Mainly because Coentrao may be a bargain, but is he reliable from a fitness perspective? I've been writing this post in stages and I've checked whoscored for the Mexican sounding non-Mexican - Ricardo Rodriguez! I don't think we'll be going for him so Shaw.

William Carvalho - I like what I see. If Fernandinho can come from a shite league and be as good as he has, what's stopping Big Will? Looks a real powerhouse. Get that price knocked down Woody.

Draxler - I think he's still quite raw, but under the right management he'll be an absolute powerhouse one day. Would be delighted if we were in for him. Only 20 and developing every week. I like Griezmann but I imagine he's one of them who goes missing in big games as he did nothing against us.

A fifth? Perhaps a right-back, a second CB or a second CM?

All if and buts now. It CAN happen, the money is there and Moyes hates and blames everyone else. Will it happen with players of this quality? Doubt it.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
I would make four key changes to this United side.

1) Genuinely commanding centre-back. Mobility, power, hopefully some passing ability. Big Vinny is a grand example when he plays well. Thiago Silva etc.

2) New left-back. Absolutely love Patrice Evra, but he can't defend at this level too well any more nor is he offering amazing service down the flank. Many full-backs are average defenders, so it would be nice to find a genuinely quick player down the left with good delivery. The guy in the German league who has a Mexican name but isn't Mexican seems to be on highlights whenever they're on BT Sport...not sure of his name but a current example if you will.

3) A bonkers CM. Perhaps someone like or in the mould of Vidal but someone who can genuinely do everything. Pass, shoot, score, dribble, hurt people, swear, get caught on webcam with ugly women, take his ladyfriend to Nando's, tells Moyes he's greying.

4) A goal-scoring winger. We won't get Reus but someone like Reus who will guarantee you 10-15 goals a season at worst, also capable of creating chances. Incredible pace, skill, ability to beat a man, doesn't need to track back because he's the one you want on the counter.

Basically add more pace and have the speed of play increase causing the opposition to tire when chasing the ball rather than this fake methodical style of play we've been using for the last 6 months. Oh look, Michael take the ball from Chris Smalling - pass it to Wayne and he'll spray it out to Valencia. He'll proceed to cut-back to Rafael who'll knock it square to Tom Cleverley, Tom will then pass it Rooney who will knock it first time to Antonio who will stop on the ball for 25 seconds and then hit the ball into the ankle of the full-back leading to us WINNING A THROW-IN. 1-0 TO THE CHAMPIONS!

So in terms of a fantastic five arriving?

I'd hope for: Benatia - I like Roma this season. They are defensively solid and he's been a key player in that back line. If they had the quality Juve have further up the pitch, they'd be right up there. Destro, an aging Totti, Gervinho and Florenzi isn't winning titles. He's their joint 3rd top scorer in the league I think.

Shaw - Mainly because Coentrao may be a bargain, but is he reliable from a fitness perspective? I've been writing this post in stages and I've checked whoscored for the Mexican sounding non-Mexican - Ricardo Rodriguez! I don't think we'll be going for him so Shaw.

William Carvalho - I like what I see. If Fernandinho can come from a shite league and be as good as he has, what's stopping Big Will? Looks a real powerhouse. Get that price knocked down Woody.

Draxler - I think he's still quite raw, but under the right management he'll be an absolute powerhouse one day. Would be delighted if we were in for him. Only 20 and developing every week. I like Griezmann but I imagine he's one of them who goes missing in big games as he did nothing against us.

A fifth? Perhaps a right-back, a second CB or a second CM?

All if and buts now. It CAN happen, the money is there and Moyes hates and blames everyone else. Will it happen with players of this quality? Doubt it.
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One midfielder probably isn't enough, especially if it's someone like Carvalho who is hardly going to solve the creativity issue. We need both a holder and a creator IMO. Otherwise I agree with the points above. I quite like the thought of two top experienced players - say Kroos and Benatia, with a few good youngsters in keeping with our tradition, say Shaw, Carvalho and Draxler. If there was any remote chance of tempting Vidal or Reus, we should break the bank for them.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
One midfielder probably isn't enough, especially if it's someone like Carvalho who is hardly going to solve the creativity issue. We need both a holder and a creator IMO. Otherwise I agree with the points above. I quite like the thought of two top experienced players - say Kroos and Benatia, with a few good youngsters in keeping with our tradition, say Shaw, Carvalho and Draxler. If there was any remote chance of tempting Vidal or Reus, we should break the bank for them.
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we should wait for a season for reuss - his buy out clause becomes active plus we might have cl football to offer him
in a bidding war against city and psg who can offer cl football I'm not sure I fancy us... but next season when the price is fixed and hopefully we can offer cl football then we seem a much more realistic destination - just hope dortmund are true to their word about not selling this year
 
Elliott said:
Isn't Gary Coleman dead? Decent back-up for Fellaini but there's no way he could partner him.
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I don't think that any of Smalling, Jones or Evans is especially dominant in the air. That's where Fellaini (and to an extent Carrick) really help out when defending aerial balls. Carvalho too, if we sign him.

The problem with Coleman is that he's only 4 foot 7, which never stopped Makalele to be fair, but isn't what we should be looking for in a DM imo. The fact he's also dead is another a negative I suppose, but then we won the CL with Hargreaves in the side.
 
Dante said:
I don't think that any of Smalling, Jones or Evans is especially dominant in the air. That's where Fellaini (and to an extent Carrick) really help out when defending aerial balls. Carvalho too, if we sign him.

The problem with Coleman is that he's only 4 foot 7, which never stopped Makalele to be fair, but isn't what we should be looking for in a DM imo. The fact he's also dead is another a negative I suppose, but then we won the CL with Hargreaves in the side.
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Not sure if Serious, You think Carrick & Fellaini are better in the air than Smalling/Jones/Evans? Are you just looking at their height?

That's not a problem at all, most wing backs tend to be short, not sure why you think Coleman is a DM either? Do you mean Carvalho?
 
Jaybezia said:
Not sure if Serious, You think Carrick & Fellaini are better in the air than Smalling/Jones/Evans? Are you just looking at their height?

That's not a problem at all, most wing backs tend to be short, not sure why you think Coleman is a DM either? Do you mean Carvalho?
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:lol:
 
Jaybezia said:
Not sure if Serious, You think Carrick & Fellaini are better in the air than Smalling/Jones/Evans? Are you just looking at their height?

That's not a problem at all, most wing backs tend to be short, not sure why you think Coleman is a DM either? Do you mean Carvalho?
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:lol:

Let's see how long it takes.
 
limerickcitykid said:
:lol:
Let's see how long it takes.
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To realise he was serious about the first part? As it looks like he was, unless you think saying Fellaini isn't as good in the air as X etc I realise now he was comparing him to Gary Coleman, but his precedent was that Fellaini was good in the air, he didn't joke about that.

Elliott said:
Don't worry about it. Though the Coleman part was a dead giveaway. Literally.
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Just read the context :)
 
Depends who leaves, but a somewhat realistic list (I hope):

Coentrao
Hummels
Gündogan
Carvalho
Reus or Mangala depending on who departs.
 
Jaybezia said:
To realise he was serious about the first part? As it looks like he was, unless you think saying Fellaini isn't as good in the air as X etc I realise now he was comparing him to Gary Coleman, but his precedent was that Fellaini was good in the air, he didn't joke about that.


Just read the context :)
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It's not about Fellaini being better than anyone, it's about him helping out when one of the fullbacks gets dragged out of position. Without Vidic in the side, we can't rely on any one centreback not to get dominated. A shorter DM can't offer that, which is where Coleman would struggle I feel. It's Diff'rent Strokes for different folks.
 
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