Fantastic Five coming to Manchester United

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Hellboy said:
I would be more excited for Man United to get rid of Valencia and Young in the summer than signing any of these stars.
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I was thinking about this last night post-wank, and I wouldn't mind keeping either Valencia or Young. Preferably Valencia. If (big if I know) we can get him back to form, he would be a devastating option to bring off the bench.
 
Werder Herzog said:
To the point where they are judged good enough for Utd? Not saying no one has watched these players but watching youtube clips or 5 mins segments of games whilst the missus is straightening her hair before you go out does not qualify as watching. Unless some of the people on here just watch football and do nothing else?
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I can't speak for other's, but I'd hope they'd have that sense as offering a name without any real understanding/knowledge is pretty empty, personally I can account for each and explain why, the person I've seen least of is Draxler, but it's not as if my interest in him stems from nowhere as I've seen a few games, mixed with clips, mixed with comments on the player from people in the game, but past that there isn't a lot to see at a decent level due to his age/experience..
 
If I could name any 5 players that I'd want at United:

Vidal
Rakitic
Draxler
Shaw
Carvalho

I'd love Firmino too, but can't see how we'd fit him.
 
RedSky At Night said:
If I could name any 5 players that I'd want at United:

Vidal
Rakitic
Draxler
Shaw
Carvalho

I'd love Firmino too, but can't see how we'd fit him.
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This is pretty much mine, except I haven't really been won over by Draxler yet, so I'd plump for Reus.
 
Also, if we're looking for a RW, look no further than Kevin Volland at Hoffenheim. That kid is going to be a terrific player, would love to see him here.
 
I bet we don't spend much more than £100 million. Whilst we need a big rebuild, I don't think we will get more than three top-name players in the summer. Two defenders and a midfielder I reckon. Then maybe one or two decent squad players, and that will be his lot.
 
1. Vidal, 2. Gundogan, 3. Shaw, 4. Hummels, 5. Reus.

Those would be my dream signings but obviously won't happen, not least because it'd rip Dortmund's team to shreds. If we got even one it'd be seriously impressive though.

I'm less hung up on the type of players we get and more concerned with their level of talent. We need a serious injection of top class talent or potential, no more ordinary squad types.
 
5 aint enough coming in - considering there'll be players leaving..

No chance its happening, i'm just dreaming of course, but here's my wishlist of players that are tipped to move :drool:

Ins:

Mangala
Garay
Shaw
Coentrao
Coleman
Carvalho
Kroos
Pogba
Gundogan
Reus
Draxler
Cavani

Outs/possible outs:

Vida - (going to Inter)
Rio - (could be retiring & needs replacing anyway)
Buttner - (would have been gone in the summer but for the Coentrao loan deal fallin through)
Evra - (could move on - possibly Monaco & needs replacing anyway)
Young - (not good enough)
Anderson - (not good enough)
RVP - (could move on / be part of a swap + money)
Kagawa - (could move on / be part of a swap + money for Gundogan)
Giggsy - (could be retiring - hope not tho)
Chicharito - (could move on / be part of a swap + money)
Nani - (could move on / be part of a swap + money)


Of course the "ins" list is dreamland territory because it would cost shitloads, but bare in mind the list of outs/possible outs is quite extensive at 11 players..
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Rozay said:
Shaw, Kovacic, Carvalho, Reus, O'Shea*. If Pedro is displeased with his current Barca situation and ever wished to leave, then him.

*not really O'Shea, but an equivalent of what he used to offer.
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At the way he's being shunted around, Jones seems to be fulfilling that role.
 
limerickcitykid said:
Not sure if serious but cocks out for JWP. :drool:
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I was going for an ultra pessimistic but also realistic list Rick. Not totally serious, but out of those players I'd certainly like to see JWP and Coleman here (even if we don't really need Coleman, considering how much he'd cost).
 
In:
Shaw-£25m
Carvalho-£30m
Gundogan-£25m
Alexis Sanchez- £25m
Volland-£20m
Mangala/Benatia-£25m
Total in- £150m

Out:
Nani-£12.5m
Van Persie-£20m
Anderson-£5m
Young-£7.5m
Hernandez-£17.5m
Lindegaard-£2.5m
Cleverley-£5m
Rio-free
Vidic-free
Evra-free
Giggs-free
Total out- £70m

Net Spend- £80m

All seems pretty reasonable and necessary... Van Persie I think is leaving, regardless of what Moyes and him say. We play better with only 1 of RVP or Rooney on the pitch, and since Rooney signed a new contract, then he's staying. We'll need a versatile forward to replace him, and Volland would be perfect for that as he's capable of playing on either flank, or up front, and is only 21 years old. Nani I think will go for his own good, Young should leave, and then we'll replace them with Alexis Sanchez. Cleverley should leave as he's not good enough and we'll have too many midfielders with Gundogan and Carvalho coming in. Rio, Vidic, Giggs and Evra are all retiring or not extending their contracts almost certainly, so we need 1 center back to replace Rio and Vida. Preferably an experienced one like Benatia, but Mangala would work too. Shaw to replace Evra, Buttner can stay as back up. Lindegaard probably to leave to get first team football somewhere, Johnstone to replace him. That's enough for one summer though. Then in the January transfer window we go to improve depth for right back if Vermijl or Varela aren't good enough.

When you look at it, it's not really anything crazy. It seems like a lot, but Rio, Evra and Vidic leaving will free up loads of money from the wages even though they don't get a transfer fee, same with Van Persie (and Young, if he's actually on 120k a week). It's all just doing like for like switches more or less, getting rid of some dead wood and putting in more quality.

Starting XI:
Rooney
Kagawa Mata Sanchez
Carvalho Gundogan
Shaw Benatia Jones Rafael
De Gea
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Kroos, Carvalho (Seen only clips if i'm honest but it seems to be on the cards anyway), Shaw, Reus, Benatia.

Imagine:

----------De Gea--------------
----Benatia------Jones--------
Rafael-------------------Shaw
-------Carvalho-Kroos---------
-------------Mata--------------
-----Rooney------Reus--------
---------------RvP--------------
 
Could anyone see us signing both Coentrao and Shaw?

As ridiculous (and unlikely...and expensive) as it sounds, I'd love both of them. Shaw is my slight preference due to his age and the fact he'll be England's left back for the next 10 years, but I think Coentrao would be brilliant.
 
JWP doesn't look that special at all to me.
 
bosnian_red said:
In:
Shaw-£25m
Carvalho-£30m
Gundogan-£25m
Alexis Sanchez- £25m
Volland-£20m
Mangala/Benatia-£25m
Total in- £150m

Out:
Nani-£12.5m
Van Persie-£20m
Anderson-£5m
Young-£7.5m
Hernandez-£17.5m
Lindegaard-£2.5m
Cleverley-£5m
Rio-free
Vidic-free
Evra-free
Giggs-free
Total out- £70m

Net Spend- £80m

All seems pretty reasonable and necessary... Van Persie I think is leaving, regardless of what Moyes and him say. We play better with only 1 of RVP or Rooney on the pitch, and since Rooney signed a new contract, then he's staying. We'll need a versatile forward to replace him, and Volland would be perfect for that as he's capable of playing on either flank, or up front, and is only 21 years old. Nani I think will go for his own good, Young should leave, and then we'll replace them with Alexis Sanchez. Cleverley should leave as he's not good enough and we'll have too many midfielders with Gundogan and Carvalho coming in. Rio, Vidic, Giggs and Evra are all retiring or not extending their contracts almost certainly, so we need 1 center back to replace Rio and Vida. Preferably an experienced one like Benatia, but Mangala would work too. Shaw to replace Evra, Buttner can stay as back up. Lindegaard probably to leave to get first team football somewhere, Johnstone to replace him. That's enough for one summer though. Then in the January transfer window we go to improve depth for right back if Vermijl or Varela aren't good enough.

When you look at it, it's not really anything crazy. It seems like a lot, but Rio, Evra and Vidic leaving will free up loads of money from the wages even though they don't get a transfer fee, same with Van Persie (and Young, if he's actually on 120k a week). It's all just doing like for like switches more or less, getting rid of some dead wood and putting in more quality.

Starting XI:
Rooney
Kagawa Mata Sanchez
Carvalho Gundogan
Shaw Benatia Jones Rafael
De Gea
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Think your figures need some adjusting. Can't see us getting that much for Nani, Hernandez, Van Persie, Anderson or even Young.
 
Ah sure, time for one of these threads again.

In
Carvalho
Ginter
Gündoğan
Griezmann
Shaw

All realistic targets, for me.

Out
Anderson
Bebé
Evra
Ferdinand
Hernández
Macheda
Vidić

All definite, I'd say.

Giggs
Kagawa
Nani / Valencia / Young

Probable.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
Think your figures need some adjusting. Can't see us getting that much for Nani, Hernandez, Van Persie, Anderson or even Young.
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Isn't Anderson a loan and then 6m future fee? It's 2014, those seem perfectly reasonable fees. Van Persie is still a top striker with a few years left on his contract. Nani at 12.5 isn't a lot at all, 2 years ago he was worth over 30m arguably. He's had a lot of injuries since then but the rumours with Galatasaray and everyone else has been between 10-15m, with it being around 8m before he extended his contract.
Hernandez has 2 years left on his contract and there's no chance we'll get less then 15m for him. He's huge marketing wise in North America, and is a very good and effective player, and still very young. Young at 7.5m isn't bad at all either, Villa would bring him back in a heartbeat as would any mid table premier league teams. Those figures are all reasonable these days, all slightly below their market value pretty much, and a decent amount less then what they would go for last summer.
 
Shaw, Benatia, Kroos, Herrera, Reus.

Given Davey's big bag of cash I'd plump for those five.
 
bosnian_red said:
Isn't Anderson a loan and then 6m future fee? It's 2014, those seem perfectly reasonable fees. Van Persie is still a top striker with a few years left on his contract. Nani at 12.5 isn't a lot at all, 2 years ago he was worth over 30m arguably. He's had a lot of injuries since then but the rumours with Galatasaray and everyone else has been between 10-15m, with it being around 8m before he extended his contract.
Hernandez has 2 years left on his contract and there's no chance we'll get less then 15m for him. He's huge marketing wise in North America, and is a very good and effective player, and still very young. Young at 7.5m isn't bad at all either, Villa would bring him back in a heartbeat as would any mid table premier league teams. Those figures are all reasonable these days, all slightly below their market value pretty much, and a decent amount less then what they would go for last summer.
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I won't argue they're all near their respective market values, if a little generous. But when have we ever received market rates for players we've moved on? When we have sold, barring an extreme example such as Ronaldo, we have done so on our terms and received in many cases far below their worth. Look at Gibson, Brown, Van Nistelrooy, Beckham, Cole, Forlan...the list goes on.
 
Kroos and Reus are the two in particular I'd love to have here over any others... you may think this is based soley on the fact that they're names rhyme with each other, but its actually in fact mainly down to the fact that they're both pretty good.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I won't argue they're all near their respective market values, if a little generous. But when have we ever received market rates for players we've moved on? When we have sold, barring an extreme example such as Ronaldo, we have done so on our terms and received in many cases far below their worth. Look at Gibson, Brown, Van Nistelrooy, Beckham, Cole, Forlan...the list goes on.
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Maybe something to do with SAF though.. rather than Manchester United.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I won't argue they're all near their respective market values, if a little generous. But when have we ever received market rates for players we've moved on? When we have sold, barring an extreme example such as Ronaldo, we have done so on our terms and received in many cases far below their worth. Look at Gibson, Brown, Van Nistelrooy, Beckham, Cole, Forlan...the list goes on.
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I agree, but usually we sell players who just aren't good enough to smaller teams for next to nothing. We usually get a fair price when we sell to another big team, which is what we would get for Rvp, Hernandez, nani to Juve possibly, etc. Young will go to an upper midtable team probably, so 7.5m isn't bad at all, especially when you look at some of the fees people pay. Cleverley and lindegaard will both not get a lot but that's more just to reduce squad size in midfield and because lindegaard probably wants to play in a match again one day.
 
bosnian_red said:
I agree, but usually we sell players who just aren't good enough to smaller teams for next to nothing. We usually get a fair price when we sell to another big team, which is what we would get for Rvp, Hernandez, nani to Juve possibly, etc. Young will go to an upper midtable team probably, so 7.5m isn't bad at all, especially when you look at some of the fees people pay. Cleverley and lindegaard will both not get a lot but that's more just to reduce squad size in midfield and because lindegaard probably wants to play in a match again one day.
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I'd keep Lindegaard tbf, provided he wants to stay.
 
Kroos, Carvalho, Gundogan, Coentrao/Shaw, Griezmann (Reus if he was available), sixth with Ginter (young and great prospect) (instead of looking within the club)

Summary:
  • World class midfield 3 with the best balance between attack and defence you could imagine
  • Clinical winger than can run in behind as an inverted winger, scoring lots of goals, (lacked it this summer with no real winger with "end product"
  • Great defensive prospects in Ginter, and a full-back that actually has... wait for it... a delivery.
 
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TheNewEra said:
Kroos, Carvalho, Gundogan, Coentrao/Shaw, Griezmann (Reus if he was available), sixth with Ginter (young and great prospect) (instead of looking within the club)

Summary:
  • World class midfield 3 with the best balance between attack and defence you could imagine
  • Clinical winger than can run in behind as an inverted winger, scoring lots of goals, (lacked it this summer with no real winger with "end product"
  • Great defensive prospects in Ginter, and a full-back that actually has... wait for it... a delivery.
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We're not going to buy three midfielders. Two at a push, more likely one, especially as we have a lot of other positions to deal with.
 
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