I definitely agree that Kroos and Vidal are never going happen...but I still think there's quite a few better players out there than Herrera who are more realistic.
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I definitely agree that Kroos and Vidal are never going happen...but I still think there's quite a few better players out there than Herrera who are more realistic.
Moyes will buy... Jagielka, baines, Coleman, osman and Naismith
We need:
A central defender
Left back
Midfielder
Winger
Do not want to see Kagawa, Nani or Hernandez leave
A central defender
Left back
Midfielder
Winger
Do not want to see Kagawa, Nani or Hernandez leave
Name them and I might swap him out.
Herrera was the one who came to mind because of what he brings to the table as a rather energetic, tall, relatively creative midfielder who doesn't shy away from his defensive duties at all. Him along with Fellaini/Fletcher would give Mata/Rooney/Kagawa room to work their magic in, and i think that's a valid team that could put us back in the title race, and certainly back into the top 4 in terms of squad and first-team quality.
Rakitic, Gundogan, Koke.
Koke has stated that he wants to retire at Atletico Madrid.
Gundogan is unrealistic by my standards (and also has injurie questions around him).
I think he will end up at Real Madrid if he leaves Dortmund. If not then I'm sure loads of clubs with Champions League football to offer will be inn for him.
Rakitic is a good shout, but from what i know, he is more of an attacking midfielder who could play as a central midfielder?
Herrera simply seems like the best possible choice of the two for the way I've setup the squad, but again, i think Rakitic would be another alternative.
If one doesn't pan out then we should at least have a backup in mind.
A player with a year left on his contract, and is up for sale in the summer if he doesn't extend, is unrealistic?
Not unrealistic that he will leave Dortmund, i think it's unrealistic to think that clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, Manchester City, Arsenal, Liverpool, the two french clubs or one of the Italian clubs will go for him, and with Champions League football (and the same wages that we'd offer) it would be optimistic to think that we'd end up with him. It's also not unthinkable that he might actually stay with Dortmund.
------------------Casillas---------------
--Coentrao---Ginter---Hummels---Shaw
-------------Kroos------Gundogan-------
---Reus------------Mata-----------Di Maria
------------------Rooney------------------
--Coentrao---Ginter---Hummels---Shaw
-------------Kroos------Gundogan-------
---Reus------------Mata-----------Di Maria
------------------Rooney------------------
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You do know he said in 2011 he said it was his dream to play for Manchester United right?
8 new players, no recogniseable back four, that's a bit overkill isnt it? no ball winner
No, i did not know that.
Do you have any reliable sources to back up that?
Do you think he'd skip the chance to play Champions League football because he dreamed of playing for Manchester United earlier?
I'm not saying we shouldn't try, but if it fails (which seems likely to me), then Herrera/Rakitic wouldn't be bad options.
You're right, sign Carvalho too to rotate with Fellaini as our ball winning midfielders in the tough games.
Carrick, Jones, Evans and Smalling will make excellent CB backups.
I can't find the original source, but I read it back in 2011 and has been widely quoted since, there's a picture of him with thumbs up watching Manchester United against Galatasary (Turkish club, Gundogan is Turkish)
But he said in 2011: "Manchester United would obviously be a dream club."
The picture of him watching United vs Galatasaray was him watching Kagawa, no? At least there was a rumour about that.
He could also be supportive of Galatasaray as you mention.
Saying that playing for Manchester United ano 2011 would be a dream, when he was playing for Nurnberg (and ended up going to Dortmund) can't possibly be him trying to get our (or others) attention? Or that he would say the same thing for other teams in our situation. I can imagine that he'd say the same thing about Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munchen or Chelsea as well if the question arose.
If we're looking at bringing in a creative central midfielder, Herrera, Koke and Rakitic would appear to be the realistic (although by no means easy options), while Gundogan and Kroos would likely represent longshots. Of the former 3, Herrera would be my pick, partially because I really like the player, and partially because both Koke and Rakitic have had their best games in more advanced positions. After that it gets a little more difficult, Verratti would probably be impossible, as would Moutinho, Montolivo is too old, Kovacic is too untested, Luca Cigarini? Herrera is a good option I think.
I'm not trying to be a pessimist, he could very much be a fan of Manchester United, but I wouldn't hold my breath on him having that much affection for the club that he'd snub better offers if they came along.
Then you have to consider his potential chronic back injury. We could check his price at Dortmund and get him thoroughly checked at the medical if he decided to join us though. Again, i just see too many variables for it to be realistic. I completely respect that you and others have different views though.
Then you have to consider his potential chronic back injury. We could check his price at Dortmund and get him thoroughly checked at the medical if he decided to join us though. Again, i just see too many variables for it to be realistic. I completely respect that you and others have different views though.
Personally I think Gundogan is realistic. Most other top clubs will have champions league football to lure the other top players where we might miss out, so we'll have to take a risk on players as we'll miss out on it. Kroos isn't realistic IMO, and even if he is leaving, I could see City, Chelsea, Barca and Madrid all getting him before United, while I don't think they'd all be willing to take a risk on Gundogan, especially if they don't need to, which is the case with Barca, Madrid and City.
Reus has a buyout clause on 40m pounds.Still a chance he'll come. I've learnt my lesson since the Mata deal!
Vidal would be way more expensive.
I see your point, but we don't agree. And neither of us seem to have arguments that can change the others view on the matter.
Reus has a buyout clause on 40m pounds.
Vidal would be way more expensive.
I'd fork out 60m if it bought us Vidal. A partnership of Vidal and Rakitic would be just drool worthy.
-------Rooney------
--Kags----------Mata--
----Vidal----Rakitic----
------Carvalho------
A bit like that. Beautiful.
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We can offer Gundogan a lot more in terms of wages than his current club and he doesn't have much chance of winning anything at Dortmund right now. Where as Kroos/Vidal can get the same wages and are more likely to win stuff at their current club than with us.
I think Gundogan might be a push for us, but it has a lot more going for it in realism terms than Kroos or Vidal.
I think Gundogan might be a push for us, but it has a lot more going for it in realism terms than Kroos or Vidal.
Coentrao or Shaw, Koke or Gundogan, Fernando, Griezmann or Draxler, next Yaya Toure.
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Agreed. Issue is that getting Gundogan now is a big gamble fitness wise. Whereas Vidal/Kroos aren't.
I completely agree with the bolded part. I just still don't see it as realistic.
I also agree that we could offer him more in wages than Dortmund could, and that coming to terms with them wouldn't be the biggest problem.
However I still think other clubs would be more preferable destinations for Gundogan if they tried.
I don't think either of Barcelona or Real Madrid would rule out the chance of signing him with Xavi and Xabi getting older.
Do you mean Carvalho?
Carvalho, Gundogan, Coentrao, Reus and a CB.
Expect a tearful summer. I dont know how its possible to keep Hernandez when we're never going to use him
According to Daniel Taylor we already have 2 deals agreed in principle.
If we could get gundogan and a coupke of defenders I'd fancy moyes chances of turning it around
Sounds like Varun is Ando undercover then!
I'm David Moyes and the five players I want are Coleman, Baines, Jagielka, Barkley and McCarthy.
I don't think any of them are realistic to be honest. It may be in FM, but in real life.... not impossible, but it's far from very realistic. If we pulled any of the above, it'll be either a grand coup / steal / extreme amount of money.
Gundogan is highly rated, and Dortmund might be a better place to stay at the moment, especially if they made it far to the CL, considering we're not even in Europa league.
Mateo Kovacic - is about 20M price, but does Inter willing to sell? And I don't think he's ready to be the main man, he's still 20 IIRC
Luke Shaw - The most realistic out of all, and that's because he's English and coming from Southampton, going to be a solid player, but hardly a world class player and with Moyes, I doubt he'll gonna be World class any time soon
Lucas Moura - Enjoying good salary in France, don't think money is an issue for PSG anyway, they're in no need to sell
Mangala / Hummel - Top rated CB. Hummel like all German is more likely to prefer a German club, and he has a good prospect / challenge at Dortmund. Can't say much about Mangala but IMO he's also not ready at this moment, very good but not the week in week out solid first teamer that we need.
And how is that? Despite Baines becoming the best LB back in the league under Moyes and Coleman becoming one of the best?
Luke Shaw is not world class : I don't think many would disagree with that
Luke Shaw will not be world class anytime soon : He's 20. What age does Baines cement that "Best LB in the League"
And yes, I don't think Moyes is the manager that can improve his players by miles, his tactical knowledge is inept, his coaches are 2nd class, and to be world class you'll need all the best coaching you can get, unless you have shit heaps of natural talent ala Maradona.
I think Shaw is clearly different to Baines and Coleman. He's miles better at his age than they were and will definitely his their level a lot sooner than they did.
Nani, young and Valencia get what we can for them and ship them out.
I would like to see Hernandez and Zaha stay.
Has for the fantastic Five, doubt we will get 1 never mind 5.
Yes. Perhaps number 5 is less realistic than the rest, but Lucas Moura is discontent with his playing time at Psg and he could want a move elsewhere. Same with Di Maria, with the introduction of Bale. Even though Ancellotti has found a way to incoporate him into the team via a central midfield role, their is a possibility that he could be displaced by Isco or Modric(with Alonso, khedira, or illaremendi holding) Nevertheless, on that option, I could not come up with any other noteworthy wide player at that time. So I am flexible for change in this area
.* Günogan contracts expires in 2015, so Dortmund would have to sell this upcoming window to recieve a good fee for him. Since, it is rumored we have been interested for awhile, I can not see why he would not be a realistic signing come this summer window. Not being in the champion league mighy be a blow like for most of our noteworthy signing, but he would be paid much more at United, playing for a more prestigious club with greater ambitious considering how one sided the German league is becoming.
Kovacic is barely getting any playing time and Inter or the Italian league is not as prominent as it used to be. He is a realistic target if Manchester Unuted shows interest. An article that might help. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1988124-transfer-target-who-will-rescue-mateo-kovacic-from-inter
I believe he is good enough to start consistent games. Like Pogba at Juventus who proved Sir Alex Ferguson wrong, Kovacic is very capable of becoming a main man in our midfield. He will get support from Fellaini, Powell, etc., so we will not be overly dependant on him.
**Funnily enough, I think Shaw would be one of the hardest to get considering interest shown by Chelsea. A club he admire. He is realistic though because he will be attainable this summer if a club make a bid. Basing this conclusion of real interest from more prominant clubs. Which would be enticing for a young chap like him. Nevertheless, if United get him, he will be a great catch considering his club preference.
***Mangala is attainable for a set price. He is a realistic target, but competition will be tough considering City interest. Hummel might stay with Dortmund, just for the reason that their would be too much exodus of star players in that club. The board and Klopp might not want to be viewed as a selling club, so the possibility of both Gündogan and Hummels leaving in the same window is small, unless a good deal is made. We have good depth in this area, so if Mangala does not seem ready, we are covered with Jones, Smailling and Evans. All those four are capable of vying for a starting center back role and I do not see any other club that has as good a depth in that area if these players aforementioned became our center backs options.
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