I dont really see why we are blaming anyone. We tried to buy a great player, he chose to stay at the club after considering a transfer. I would reckon this happens alot more often than we're told in the media.
Fabregas
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Christ, you'd think it was a piece of piss signing players and we've just employed a bunch of retards to do the deals. Nobody knows the first thing about what has gone on and are just throwing their toys out of the pram for the sake of it.
We don't know that, though. If there's no indication that a deal can be made, in other words if something approaching "silly money" is the only thing for it, do you then go ahead and start your bidding at 25M - and then increase it slightly, adding...erm...addons and whatnot? It makes very little sense to me. I don't think we took a complete punt in the dark here - a punt which involved launching conspicuously detailed bids.
There's more to this than the size of our bids, I'm fairly sure of that.
Well there's got to be some reason why we wasted most of the transfer window trying to buy a player from Barca who had moved heaven and earth to get there and was almost certainly not wanting to leave to come to United. No-one's come up with a viable reason for the club's odd behaviour yet, other than our lack of money and the board's feeble attempt to try and keep the fans happy by pretending we had enough money to buy practically any player we wished to buy.
When Moyes said he had no transfer budget perhaps he was speaking a tad more literally than we realised.
When Moyes said he had no transfer budget perhaps he was speaking a tad more literally than we realised.
Yes, it's such a shame we can only bid for one player at a time. UEFA need to sort that out.
Why do you think we got Gill on the board? Duh
Arsenal fans have been putting up with this shit for years... Minus all the trophies of course... 
So let's get this clear: Barcelona said they won't sell, Cesc himself said he doesn't want to leave, but let's bid 3rd time to see what they will say?
He left us dude, because the man is a natural multitasker.
The problem is that very few believe that 25 or 30 million represents a serious bid to sign him. And let's be honest, it's not really is it, considering?
We are now on the eve of the charity shield, we have not strengthened at all when our rivals have. We have three massive games In the opening weeks with no time to bed anyone in. And one of our best players apparently wants to leave, so either he will leave, or he won't be playing at 100%. It's far from ideal.
I have no problem with us going for Fabregas, obviously we had some information that made us think it was a possibility. It's a shame it hasn't worked out but I guess that was always a strong possibility too. The important thing is that we have other targets in mind now that the deal has fallen through. We can't really judge the way we approached this transfer as we really don't have enough information, but we can judge our results at the end of the transfer window. If we only end up signing someone like Fellaini then it'll be fair to criticise the club's performance in the transfer market. Until then I have faith as I doubt we'd have been so stupid as to assume we were going to get Fabregas.
We have too few verified facts at our disposal to reach any firm conclusions as to what the real agenda was.
My take, which is as useless as anyone else's speculation, is that we were never serious about bringing in Fabregas. My support for that conclusion is that a bid of 25m was far too low of a bid to be of any interest to Barcelona. And even if the idea were to start low and work your way up, it was too low of a bid to be taken seriously. And when we raised that bid to a still absurdly low 30m, it should have been clear this was never going to happen.
Then why? You got me there. The grassy knoll conspiracy theorist in my suspect it was merely an effort by United management to set the table for settling on Fellaini. That may an unwarranted leap, but that's my leap. And take careful note that I do not suggest this necessarily makes any sense.
What makes more sense to me is putting in a serious bid for Modric, who seems more surplus to requirements to Real than Fabregas does to Barcelona. I have no idea whether Real would sell Modric at any price, but an opening bid of 40m would have been difficult to toss in the trash can.
But it could well be that Moyes as surveys the battlefield he sees the following: no way in Hades does he sell Rooney and that what he needs more than a midfielder in the mold of Fabregas and Modric is a midfielder in the mold of Fellaini. Rather than a silky passer in the last third (Fabregas and Modric) he needs a defensive midfielder who's good for the oddball goal off the cross.
Moyes knows a bit more about football than I do, so if that's his judgment then I will defer to him, sit back in my barcalounger and witness the unfolding of events as the gods proclaim.
My take, which is as useless as anyone else's speculation, is that we were never serious about bringing in Fabregas. My support for that conclusion is that a bid of 25m was far too low of a bid to be of any interest to Barcelona. And even if the idea were to start low and work your way up, it was too low of a bid to be taken seriously. And when we raised that bid to a still absurdly low 30m, it should have been clear this was never going to happen.
Then why? You got me there. The grassy knoll conspiracy theorist in my suspect it was merely an effort by United management to set the table for settling on Fellaini. That may an unwarranted leap, but that's my leap. And take careful note that I do not suggest this necessarily makes any sense.
What makes more sense to me is putting in a serious bid for Modric, who seems more surplus to requirements to Real than Fabregas does to Barcelona. I have no idea whether Real would sell Modric at any price, but an opening bid of 40m would have been difficult to toss in the trash can.
But it could well be that Moyes as surveys the battlefield he sees the following: no way in Hades does he sell Rooney and that what he needs more than a midfielder in the mold of Fabregas and Modric is a midfielder in the mold of Fellaini. Rather than a silky passer in the last third (Fabregas and Modric) he needs a defensive midfielder who's good for the oddball goal off the cross.
Moyes knows a bit more about football than I do, so if that's his judgment then I will defer to him, sit back in my barcalounger and witness the unfolding of events as the gods proclaim.
Everyone needs to calm down a bit. We have no divine right to sign a player once we've bid for him. Fabregas would be a lovely signing, but if it doesn't come off we move on. We've missed out on players before and been ok. We'll be fine.
He left us because it's so obvious he couldnt handle the embarrasment of being rejected by a player.
Get your shit together, man. You're going way over the top by the tone of your post!
feck sake.
I don't think we will sign him, and it seems impossible now, but I believe there was something in this one, even just a glimmer. United spent weeks apparently negotiating, and Fabregas remained silent the entire time, despite all the stories and speculation. I believe if he was always intent on staying, he would have come out and said something 3 weeks ago. It just seems like an awful long time of speculation and bids before the player actually reacts and becomes involved. I think United must've received some sort of encouragement before investing such an amount of time in pursuing him.
feck sake.
I don't know why that happened twice, but i'm ok with it.
Indeed.
For what it's worth, Graham Hunter says it was his agent who began pushing this deal. He reckoned it was a sort of window shopping, where Fabregas let us know he'd be willing to move if we got Barcelona to agree to it. Then he waited to see what Barca would do. If they accepted the United bid then he'd be happy to come here as he's be a key player for a big team and earn more money. If they refused the bids then he hadn't lost anything and would be reassured of his position in the team. Either way Cesc couldn't lose.
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We cant just go around putting in 40m bids for everyone. This isnt FM. There is absolutely no problem for Modric at Real. He doesnt have too much competition in his position.
You are wrong here as well. We need both a creative/playmaker and a defensive mid. Not just one.
A bit more? A bit? Really? Do you have a license of any sort other than driving?[/quote]
We cant just go around putting in 40m bids for everyone. This isnt FM. There is absolutely no problem for Modric at Real. He doesnt have too much competition in his position.
You are wrong here as well. We need both a creative/playmaker and a defensive mid. Not just one.
A bit more? A bit? Really? Do you have a license of any sort other than driving?[/quote]
Sounds like a reasonable take on things.
true to some extent.....
at the same time we were pretty decent last season weren't we....
if we lined up at the start of the season with
DDG - Rafa - Vidic - Rio - Evra - Carrick - Cleverley(or Anderson) - Valencia - Rooney(or Kagawa) - Zaha(or Nani) - RVP
we will do well
There's still time - I'd like to think now Fabregas is confirmed and I'm sure the club have known for a few days that things are happening behind the scenes - 10 days till Swansea!!
This seems highly likely and I believe we knew that this was the case too. The only thing that I'm slightly disappointed this has taken so long and we're now going to be in a bit of a rush.
Please elaborate.
It would seem useless to me to pee in our pants we didn't land Fabregas so all that's left to do is why we put in bids that even we posters could spot instantly as bids that would be of no interest to Barcelona. Unless, of course, you really believe Barcelona might have been tempted to part with Fabregas for 30m. Is this what you believe?
I can't go to the pub tonight with the shame.
There's no need to elaborate, but if you insist I think he thinks you are a bombastic idiot who excels at complicating the very simple.
I see you're still going out of your way to make friends, moses.
He's probably out on license, if that counts?
Me, I've grown used to it: A perpetual shame, beaming out from my red, little face wherever I go: "There goes a United fan," people say, "I'd know that shameful look anywhere."
And yet I'm sitting here alone, in my underpants.
Do you honestly believe 25m is enough for Chelsea to sign Rooney? Everyone starts low. I mentioned this before. We are not City. We are not trying to inflate the prices. We dont want to give the impression that we are willing to spend any amount to get our target.
Every post of yours is like Atticus Finch making his closing statement.
What sort of psuedo intellectual twat says 'no way in Hades'?
Actually the answer seems to be in the question.
Actually the answer seems to be in the question.
Want some company? I can put my underpants back on if it makes you more comfortable?
I might buy a Leeds trackie top.
Stop saying "underpants", both of you.
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