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Sounds similar to what's happening with Rooney. Player unsure of his role at the club, needs reassurance plus improved contract, agent leaks rumours that player is unhappy which encourages interest from other clubs hopefully applying pressure. Club decides to take a tough stance and will not sell at any cost and also will not negotiate a new deal. Pressure is then thrown back on the player to put up or shut up.
Go ask Fibreglass' best man when he married that 40 yr old MILF.
There's no way he's leaving Spain, he's too engrossed with his personal life right now.
Go ask Fibreglass' best man when he married that 40 yr old MILF.
There's no way he's leaving Spain, he's too engrossed with his personal life right now.
Nonsense WUM.
The longer he refuses to kill off the rumour, the harder it will be to do so. Fans and management will start to turn on him. I see similarities to the way he left Arsenal. He appears weak, but there again he just needs a decent club.
On the pitch is the bit we are interested in right now.Yeah, both cases seem exactly the same. And you have to suspect that in both cases the player will stay after receiving reassurances.
Go ask Fibreglass' best man when he married that 40 yr old MILF.
There's no way he's leaving Spain, he's too engrossed with his personal life right now.
I thought his Mrs lived in London.
He obviously wants assurances about his role this season which isn't forthcoming. Barcelona are calling his bluff in this one as they believe he doesn't genuinely want to leave and they, rightly or wrongly, cannot cave in to his demands due to the calibre of player that they already have occupying those three midfield berths.
My take in this is that he'll stay even without the reassurances that he wants. Barcelona hold all the aces here and they know it.
My take in this is that he'll stay even without the reassurances that he wants. Barcelona hold all the aces here and they know it.
There is absolutely no way of knowing that. The situation is quite different. Rooney was King for several years until RVP came along. Moyes somewhat foolishly, if quoted accurately, described Rooney as number two to RVP.
Fabregas has been at his club for two years and has not been a regular "starter", knows he has to wait another couple of years to get his starters place (assuming some other wonderkid isn't signed) and at the an age where he should be raking in the money, he is getting paid one third of Rooney.
Cesc wants more than assurances, whereas Rooney is a moody twat that enjoys a headline.
You're letting your hopes of a transfer blind you to the fact that Barca remains his "home" club that he fought to get back to from Arsenal. Ultimately he probably just wants assurances he will be a main player at the club. It's far more likely he is using Uniteds interest to improve his position rather than demanding to leave. In any event, United cannot know his true intentions and are perfectly right to pursue the transfer.
I reckon we won't hear anything until after the AIK game.
In the business of cheering people up eh?
Sorry, I should of been more clear.
I reckon we won't hear the official confirmation of his signing until after the AIK game.
Not blinded in the slightest. These situations are not similar and that was the point I was making.
Cesc knows his club and how they operate. A player is unlikely to be successful in bullying their way to a better deal at Barcelona, with the exception perhaps of Messi. Barcelona doesn't generally take any shit and the players know it. There are always plenty of players wanting to play for them.
Cesc is feeling a little sorry for himself and rightly too.
Well, the time period after the AIK game is quite a long one...
Sorry, I'm not having a good day. What I meant to say was:
I reckon we won't hear the official confirmation of his signing until straight after the AIK game, to which Moyes will unveil him as soon as the final whistle blows.
Whatever you're on, it must be a good day.
Barcelona have no intention of selling Manchester Unitedtarget Cesc Fàbregas this summer, according to the club’s vice-president.
The Red Devils have made two bids for the Spain international but the La Liga champions are remaining firm in their stance that the midfielder is not for sale this summer.
United manager David Moyes has earmarked the 26-year-old as his number one target in the current transfer window..
However, Barcelona vice-president Javier Faus is adamant the formerArsenal captain won’t be quitting Camp Nou despite “real” interest from thePremier League holders.
“It’s a theme in sports. He has a contract, the club and the coach want him to stay,” Faus told Sport.
“Come on, he will stay. The interest is real. but we have no intention of letting him go.”
Faus did confirm Barcelona are looking to improve their defensive options, with Liverpool’s Daniel Agger and Paris Saint-Germain centre-half Thiago Silva both linked with the Spanish club.
“We will prioritise the economic issue. It [the bid for a defender] will not be influenced by economics but neither will we go crazy,” Faus added.
The Red Devils have made two bids for the Spain international but the La Liga champions are remaining firm in their stance that the midfielder is not for sale this summer.
United manager David Moyes has earmarked the 26-year-old as his number one target in the current transfer window..
However, Barcelona vice-president Javier Faus is adamant the formerArsenal captain won’t be quitting Camp Nou despite “real” interest from thePremier League holders.
“It’s a theme in sports. He has a contract, the club and the coach want him to stay,” Faus told Sport.
“Come on, he will stay. The interest is real. but we have no intention of letting him go.”
Faus did confirm Barcelona are looking to improve their defensive options, with Liverpool’s Daniel Agger and Paris Saint-Germain centre-half Thiago Silva both linked with the Spanish club.
“We will prioritise the economic issue. It [the bid for a defender] will not be influenced by economics but neither will we go crazy,” Faus added.
Barcelona have no intention of selling Manchester Unitedtarget Cesc Fàbregas this summer, according to the club’s vice-president.
The Red Devils have made two bids for the Spain international but the La Liga champions are remaining firm in their stance that the midfielder is not for sale this summer.
United manager David Moyes has earmarked the 26-year-old as his number one target in the current transfer window..
However, Barcelona vice-president Javier Faus is adamant the formerArsenal captain won’t be quitting Camp Nou despite “real” interest from thePremier League holders.
“It’s a theme in sports. He has a contract, the club and the coach want him to stay,” Faus told Sport.
“Come on, he will stay. The interest is real. but we have no intention of letting him go.”
Faus did confirm Barcelona are looking to improve their defensive options, with Liverpool’s Daniel Agger and Paris Saint-Germain centre-half Thiago Silva both linked with the Spanish club.
“We will prioritise the economic issue. It [the bid for a defender] will not be influenced by economics but neither will we go crazy,” Faus added.
That was linked to a good few pages back. This is the money man delivering the party line. If Cesc says he goes, he goes.
It's basically the club saying "If he goes, it's not because of us." Sneaky bastards
The change in rhetoric from Barca is interesting. The fact that Cesc hasn't killed this speculation is also quite instructive. Finally, the fact that it's all gone quiet is most intriguing - maybe negotiations have actually become very serious now...?
Sorry, it would be more sensational.
RvP > Benzema (hands down)
Fabregas > Alonso (different players, but still...)
Kaka (then) = Rooney (assuming Rooney is not "angry and confused")
Ronaldo (2009) v Ronaldo (2013), I don't know ho to call that one but it's safe to he say he's a better player now than then.
The real difference is that Real has been a traveling galactico circus over the last decade. This can't be saidf about United. Uniting RvP, Ronaldo, Fabregas and possibly Rooney would indeed be beyond anything Real ever accomplished over the last decade.
Whether this coming to pass is "plausible" is another matter.
I was talking about the transfers, not the team. Kaka was better than Rodney ever was and Alonso was at-least as good as Fab. Anyway, pretty unimportant.
I am not sure he has the danglies to do it, but I am pretty sure they have told him to hand it in or tell us to feck off in public. I think this week will be decision week for him, as I think patience is running out everywhere, no less the Caf.
He would love it at United and it would be the best move for his career, but trying to convince a local Barca boy to leave home and to ignore the advice of the Arse prune in London, could be a bridge too far.
I do think we are much closer to winning the battle than Barca's chiefs would have us believe. That political shite is for their supporters.
I am not sure he has the danglies to do it, but I am pretty sure they have told him to hand it in or tell us to feck off in public. I think this week will be decision week for him, as I think patience is running out everywhere, no less the Caf.
He would love it at United and it would be the best move for his career, but trying to convince a local Barca boy to leave home and to ignore the advice of the Arse prune in London, could be a bridge too far.
I do think we are much closer to winning the battle than Barca's chiefs would have us believe. That political shite is for their supporters.
Agree with your final point. In Spain especially, a lot of the stuff that comes out in the media is about shaping public perceptions as opposed to reporting the truth.
I am starting to see a veiled positivity in you. I think the patient is recovering.
I've taken a few days away from posting heavily on the Caf (was just lurking instead). Done me the world of good!
I've taken a few days away from posting heavily on the Caf (was just lurking instead). Done me the world of good!
They way to look at this, is that we are much further down the line with Fabregas than we ever were with Thiago.
The way I see it at the moment, pessimistic as I am about this actually happening, there must still be something in this for us to have not moved on to another target by now, given that everyone from the Barca board to the bloody tea lady have given quotes to the media about him going nowhere. If it was a definite no-go, I don't see why we'd still be investing time into this, unless Ed Woodward enjoys standing outside the Nou Camp with a set of placards saying "Ah go on" Mrs. Doyle style.
Posts like this confuse me. Are people really so naive that they think we only negotiate with/for one player at a time? We've signed multiple players at once in the past, why do you think we're only talking about/with Fabregas?
I don't know where to start.
Either way, the players you are mentioning didn't even sign in one transfer window, which I'm sure Revan was alluding to.
And look what all these signings have done for Real. What, one La Liga title?
Of course, we don't know whether whether we're actually in for both and whether, if we are, they will take the bait, let alone what trophies will they would help us haul in -- so let's no get too far ahead of ourselves.
But these two acquisitions -- both leaving the two greatest names in club football (the 2009 acquisitions moved "up" to Real Madrid) -- one returning to his former club and the other joining his former club's bitter rival, both being wildly expensive (I don't see Fabregas coming in for less than 40 and Ronaldo less than 80, but we shall see), joining a club that has insane talent already in RvP, Rooney (my bet is that he would no longer be angry and confused and would wisely remain with a squad that is instantly destined for a CL semifinal) and Vidic, would be a spectacle that would absolutely blow away the football-observing world in a way that Real's acquisitions in 2009 simply didn't.
It's simply not the case very often, if ever, that players who are at the very top of the game and whose clubs still want them, leave Real and Barcelona. I won't say it's unheard of (Figo), but it's extraordinarily rare and even more rare that they -- two of them at the same time -- would leave Real and Barcelona to join a club like United. United just doesn't have the same prestige as Real and Barca and doesn't have the bankroll of Chelsea and City. So all the way around this would be shocking pair of signings, the likes of which we have never seen before.
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for good measure.And look what all these signings have done for Real. What, one La Liga title?
Of course, we don't know whether whether we're actually in for both and whether, if we are, they will take the bait, let alone what trophies will they would help us haul in -- so let's no get too far ahead of ourselves.
But these two acquisitions -- both leaving the two greatest names in club football (the 2009 acquisitions moved "up" to Real Madrid) -- one returning to his former club and the other joining his former club's bitter rival, both being wildly expensive (I don't see Fabregas coming in for less than 40 and Ronaldo less than 80, but we shall see), joining a club that has insane talent already in RvP, Rooney (my bet is that he would no longer be angry and confused and would wisely remain with a squad that is instantly destined for a CL semifinal) and Vidic, would be a spectacle that would absolutely blow away the football-observing world in a way that Real's acquisitions in 2009 simply didn't.
It's simply not the case very often, if ever, that players who are at the very top of the game and whose clubs still want them, leave Real and Barcelona. I won't say it's unheard of (Figo), but it's extraordinarily rare and even more rare that they -- two of them at the same time -- would leave Real and Barcelona to join a club like United. United just doesn't have the same prestige as Real and Barca and doesn't have the bankroll of Chelsea and City. So all the way around this would be shocking pair of signings, the likes of which we have never seen before.
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I reckon you were one of those ten year olds in school, who, when given homework to write a one page essay about going to the shop, came back the next day with a 500 page novel.
I'm sure we are speaking with multiple targets, however regardless of whether we're looking into 5 players or 50, the point I was making was that if all parties involved (club, agent, and the player himself) had all given our negotiators a definitive "no way", then there is no logical reason why our club would continue investing time and resources in a dead end. Now it may well be that since Moyes last spoke about it that we have in fact withdrawn all interest due to Cesc or his agent telling us that he wasn't going to leave, but until Moyes' next press conference our last concrete update on the matter was that he was not sure if a third bid would be made, so it is not unreasonable to assume the club are still trying to work things out.
Still quite pessimistic though.
Written in shit and crayon.
Zubizarreta (director): "We count on Cesc, we're delighted to have him. United said they understand our position and won't try any longer."
Our next depress conference is tomorrow, apparently.
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