Yeah, but if he is just angling for more respect, commitment that he will start, then he can't let it drag on too long. At some point he has to give the " I love Barca" speech.
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The title has been changed back now. A little while ago it was changed to say a third bid has been rejected based on a Twitter post. That's what Godfather was referring to
Cheers Olly. There won't be a third bid. There will be discussions as to a fee and there will either be a withdrawal because the player wants to stay/Barcelona dig in, or an agreement. Then there may be talk of a third bid, but more likely an announcement that a fee has been agreed.
I don't think so. I think he can fall back on the 'Of course I never wanted to leave. Look how hard I worked to get here' line.
I think it shows we are still on him though and that there's still a possibility of him joining us which would confirm what the media is reporting. If all was bollocks and there would be no new bid or interest from us he could come out and comit himself to Barcelona.
Eh, I don't think he'll want to build up a sulking child reputation. He's not Rooney.
This seems unnecessarily dragged out. Surely this can just be solved over one phone call?
"£25m?"
"No"
"£30m?"
"No"
£35m?"
"No"
"£34m?"
"Si....I mean no."
"£25m?"
"No"
"£30m?"
"No"
£35m?"
"No"
"£34m?"
"Si....I mean no."
The only thing holding this up is the Wenger clause. This will make the difference and Cesc will decide whether he stays or goes based on whether they can find an accord. I believe firmly that he wants to go, but he will declare his desire to stay, if the money men cannot agree.
Those that have said it won't happen will bore us with, "I told you so" messages, but those of us with greater insight will simply feel robbed. :-)
Right now, it is still very much cooking.
Those that have said it won't happen will bore us with, "I told you so" messages, but those of us with greater insight will simply feel robbed. :-)
Right now, it is still very much cooking.
surely the "Wenger clause" only works if he wants to go there.
Which he won't.
Which he won't.
I'm assuming he means that Arsenal would get x% (50?) of any profit Barcelona make?
If they were getting all the money, 35m may have been enough, but since they have to give some to Arsenal (apparently) then I guess that changes things.
If not, and he's talking about Wenger having first-refusal - I agree, I'm not sure why that matters.
Sign him and they may as well hand us the PL title now IMO.
He will help tremendously in the CL too, though Real, Barca and Bayern clearly have more quality overall in their first 11s and squads
He will help tremendously in the CL too, though Real, Barca and Bayern clearly have more quality overall in their first 11s and squads
Same thing was said in summer 2001 when we had won 3 PL titles in a row, the last 2 by wide margins, and then Veron and Ruud were signed. Cue a 3rd place finish, the lowest in 10 years and the only time the last 20+ that we placed below Liverpool. I like your optimism, though, and he would be a terrific transfer.
I am not talking about him going there. Barca, despite their protestations, aren't rolling in cash. They do want to add to their squad, in particular, a centre back, so they would like to make a bit of cash from this deal. Arsenal's reported 50% of any profit will leave them very little indeed. If you consider that Barcelona paid Arsenal £2m this year because they (Cesc) won the La Ligua title, it is a wonder what other little gems make up the "add-ons" and whether these add-ons are complicating the financials currently being negotiated. What is for sure, is that if Cesc decides he wants to go to United, Arsene will be jumping about, waving his arms and beginning the process of examining their legal position and entitlement from any deal.
It would not surprise me one bit it that if this deal did happen, we end up paying Arsenal some cash.
I may be talking shite, which makes me part of the majority in here, but I believe that the complexity of this transfer may be the biggest mountain to climb, as opposed to whether Cesc wants to come. I would imagine his fear is that if it all proves too complex and he makes public his desire to leave, life in Barcelona will become untenable.
Remember, it took an age to put the deal for the transfer to Barcelona together and this may well be indicative of its complexity.
I doubt Fabregas will come to us. If its his choice then his private life will have an influence. He has a partner and a young child. He is already at one of the biggest clubs in the world, playing alongside some of the best players in the world and living in his own country among family and friends. He would have to be very unhappy with his current team situation to uproot his partner and kiddie to live away from family and friends to live in Manchester away from the Spanish lifestyle. Its a different situation for him now than when he was with Arse.
It could happen but I do wonder if the private life side of things will have a sizable impact on any decision he makes.
It could happen but I do wonder if the private life side of things will have a sizable impact on any decision he makes.
I couldn't believe RVP wanted to go and uproot his children and make them live in Manchester, but he did.
He was already living in the UK.
Cesc has been back in Spain for a few years now. RVP was at a club that couldnt even win a corner. Cesc is already at a club that is winning trophies. Apples and Oranges on that one.
I think you'll find we are absolutely exceptional at winning corners.
I appreciate the upheaval for Cesc is greater, but moving your kids out of one city to another is still a big effort and showed RVP's real desire to leave.
Don't know if this has appeared before in this thread, but this was in the news a few days ago:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...now-loses-home-to-new-couple-too-8739301.html
Yep it has been posted a few times, but some may have missed it.
I can only assume that this his lady lives with him currently, but it would have made me feel a lot better if the house he has just bought was in Wilmslow.
Tbf, as a canny investment the home in Belgravia makes a lot of sense, whether or not he and his partner actually live there!
A lot of it depends on his character in my opinion. The evidence isn't on our side really looking at the bigger picture. He's a local lad, playing for one of the top sides in Europe and as people have pointed out, he has a young family who look to be settled over there. Barca seem to have made their viewpoint on the situation quite clear, and then obviously you have the whole Arsenal malarkey to consider. Their seems to be a decent relationship between Fabregas and Wenger, and he was huge for Arsenal when he was at the club.
That said, he would have a huge part to play at United, and would arguablely be the focal part of our team in Central-Midfield. It will be a strange year, and the club are obviously going through a transitional period. It's very a new project and hopefully it's one that he will be attracted too. One player doesn't make a team and we have quality players at the club already, but he could be the difference for us next season in my opinion. He is a world-class player in a role that desperately needs to be filled, and has needed to be for a while.
That said, he would have a huge part to play at United, and would arguablely be the focal part of our team in Central-Midfield. It will be a strange year, and the club are obviously going through a transitional period. It's very a new project and hopefully it's one that he will be attracted too. One player doesn't make a team and we have quality players at the club already, but he could be the difference for us next season in my opinion. He is a world-class player in a role that desperately needs to be filled, and has needed to be for a while.
I really hope we get him, he would be a great addition and make a big impact for us. My fingers are crossed that he could view it as you have mentioned, being a focal point in a new project.
Maybe he misses the PL? Maybe he will be doubling his earnings? Or he wants to feel like the most important player again? Who knows...
All three I would imagine.
(If we ignore the fact that his thread's title was spelt wrong in exactly the same way for at least a year, before the muppets stormed our bandwagon.)
Ha, good point.
Good of you to keep us informed.
So Schweinsteiger is the latest! Well it is Sunday after all. Sundays always great for a laugh...I'd be very surprised if theres no ronaldo and fabregas to utd article in at least one of the sunday tabloids
If we fail at Fabregas, we'll go for a better player who's less likely to leave!
Mirrorlogic.
We'll end up with a deadline day bid for Messi. £26m, of course.
Sweinsteiger as back up
. Does Garry Cook write this stuff?Sorry, it would be more sensational.
RvP > Benzema (hands down)
Fabregas > Alonso (different players, but still...)
Kaka (then) = Rooney (assuming Rooney is not "angry and confused")
Ronaldo (2009) v Ronaldo (2013), I don't know ho to call that one but it's safe to he say he's a better player now than then.
The real difference is that Real has been a traveling galactico circus over the last decade. This can't be saidf about United. Uniting RvP, Ronaldo, Fabregas and possibly Rooney would indeed be beyond anything Real ever accomplished over the last decade.
Whether this coming to pass is "plausible" is another matter.
Let me check with my sources to see if there's any truth to this rumor...
Sorry, it would be more sensational.
RvP > Benzema (hands down)
Fabregas > Alonso (different players, but still...)
Kaka (then) = Rooney (assuming Rooney is not "angry and confused")
Ronaldo (2009) v Ronaldo (2013), I don't know ho to call that one but it's safe to he say he's a better player now than then.
The real difference is that Real has been a traveling galactico circus over the last decade. This can't be saidf about United. Uniting RvP, Ronaldo, Fabregas and possibly Rooney would indeed be beyond anything Real ever accomplished over the last decade.
Whether this coming to pass is "plausible" is another matter.
I don't know where to start.Either way, the players you are mentioning didn't even sign in one transfer window, which I'm sure Revan was alluding to.
We will double his wage, and he will be our key player right away. Sounds familiar?
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