So.. you're saying 'it's on', right?
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So.. you're saying 'it's on', right?
Sounds like the third bid is acceptable, at least.
Agreed, and the only possible thing that I can think of is if it became clear that Barca would be willing to sell him (since that's the only thing that would make him open to a move after a statement like that.)
As I say, that might make the move a possibility. But that comes back to my original point: that Barca hold all the cards, and so shouldn't be playing this cat and mouse game trying to make it look as if the decision is Cesc's. If they'll have him, he clearly wants to stay. If they're willing to sell, he might consider leaving. How is he supposed to make the decision if they refuse to make it clear whether they will or won't sell.
Ugh, I'm making a horrible mess of explaining this point. Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.
Cesc clearly wants this move in some way or another, so why can't we just bid 40m and get it over with?
Not only does it not make sense but reading your point has made my head hurt.
Thanks.
I think we all are, really. (Well, except Cider. This is his element.) I'm not making any point about it being on or off. I just don't like this slimy tactic Barca have of putting all the pressure to confirm or deny on the player, so that the club can't possibly take any blame either way. It's cowardly.
United (well, United under Fergie definitely, and presumably under Moyes) would never be such dicks about it. We stick with our players until they are definitely not our players. Unless they're called Rooney.
Sorry. I think actually just this sentence sums it up: If they want to keep him, he clearly wants to stay. If they're willing to sell, he might consider leaving. How is he supposed to make the decision if they refuse to make it clear whether they will or won't sell?
This must have come from the Fabregas camp, so regardless of what changed his mind, the only thing that will change it back is Martino. But, as we all know, Martino doesn't have all that much say in things at Barca. His comment, " If it depends on me, he'll stay", is probably him saying, "It it was up to me, he would stay". That suggests to me that he is at best, only hopeful, not certain that he will stay.
Well we've no idea what he wants, you're just speculating aren't you? I suspect he'll do what's best for his career and that's probably playing a pivotal role for a big club.
What must have? Martino saying 'It's up to Cesc to decide?'
I'm confused as to how these new quotes from Martino mean that he is leaving. 
If anything, it says that he wants him at Barca.
If anything, it says that he wants him at Barca.
The encouragement. No way was it Barca.
I don't think Barca need to sell in order to buy another player. They bought Neymar for 50m, then sold Thiago for 18m; so about 30m net spend. They can easily spend another 40m if they want (without selling Fab), and the net spend would only be 70m. Barca's income is 2nd or 3rd largest, without the debt burden like United (who could've spent 50m net in a season).
I'm leaning toward the opinion that it is true where Fabregas wants/wanted to come to United; and we've been informed by/in discussion with his agent since last season. We won't be foolish to launch a third bid, without Fab's encouraging signal. We are United with world class experience on dealing with players. Fergie sudden retirement might put his mind in doubt about join in, though.
I'm leaning toward the opinion that it is true where Fabregas wants/wanted to come to United; and we've been informed by/in discussion with his agent since last season. We won't be foolish to launch a third bid, without Fab's encouraging signal. We are United with world class experience on dealing with players. Fergie sudden retirement might put his mind in doubt about join in, though.
See the aforementioned quotes. I'd say we have a pretty good idea. If you submit to the transfer forum nonsense about nothing anyone says ever meaning anything, there's probably not much point debating it. For me, if a player says 'if anyone says anything other than that I want to stay at Barca, it's absurd', then he wants to stay at Barca. And the only thing that could change such a resolute attitude over the summer, realistically, is if Barca themselves wanted to sell him.
I'm confused as to how these new quotes from Martino mean that he is leaving.
If anything, it says that he wants him at Barca.
Up to now the line was "Cesc doesn't want to leave". Now they're saying "I think he'll stay" and "It's up to him", which implies much less certainty.
I'm confused as to how these new quotes from Martino mean that he is leaving.
If anything, it says that he wants him at Barca.
It's a big climb down from all previous noises made by Barca.
Why not? Surely it's more likely to have been the club who have refused to categorically deny the rumours, than the player who has categorically stated that he wants to stay at Barca, is staying at Barca and that anything else is 'absurd'.
I'm confused as to how these new quotes from Martino mean that he is leaving.
If anything, it says that he wants him at Barca.
What is missing from Martino's comments is certainty. The sort of stuff you would expect, like, he told me he is staying, he isn't going anywhere is conspicuously absent.
Big increase in salary for Messi as well
Its gone on for too long to be just United trying their arm at getting fabregas ,Woodward you daft twat write the cheque and lets feckin have it
I will leave that with you, your logic is starting to conflict with my ageing neurons.
Still, they better sell the aging Alves, or even Pedro and Sanchez, if they need to reduce wages. They just sold Villa, so another big earner off their book.
I'm going out on a limb here but I think Fábregas may be able to find out Barca's stance by simply speaking with the club directly. I don't think he's relying on them to announce it publicly.
Will this transfer ever be CONFIRMED?
I was wrong. I thought the Ronaldo thread was going to be this summers "Sneijder/Ozil" thread...but it's clearly the Fabregas thread!!
See y'all in 100+ pages. It's on...
where were you during the thiago transfer saga?
Fair enough, logic is apparently something of an acquired taste on here. I think I'm going to withdraw before I start topping the post count on a transfer I have never thought has any chance of happening.
This is really encouraging! I posted on the Thiago thread without any attachment towards the transfer, and yet his transfer to Bayern was disappointing. Hopefully this ends better.
All this talk about Barca making him look the bad guy is a bit irrelevant, isn't it?
If he did come, he could easily make a statement to the effect that he would have been happy to stay, Barca couldn't give assurances that United gave, he'd be the main man at United rather than 2nd fiddle at Barca etc etc so avoiding abuse form the Barca fans. Then they'd turn on the board, Messi would get pissed off with the whole circus & that preening Neymar fella & he'll sign for us next season.
So the last bit is a joke, but essentially he can tell his side of the story if he came to United so he doesn't need to worry too much about upsetting the Barca fans.
If he did come, he could easily make a statement to the effect that he would have been happy to stay, Barca couldn't give assurances that United gave, he'd be the main man at United rather than 2nd fiddle at Barca etc etc so avoiding abuse form the Barca fans. Then they'd turn on the board, Messi would get pissed off with the whole circus & that preening Neymar fella & he'll sign for us next season.
So the last bit is a joke, but essentially he can tell his side of the story if he came to United so he doesn't need to worry too much about upsetting the Barca fans.
OMG Its ON!
Odds on him to stay at Barca slashed to 1/6. Cocks in.
That just means a lot of people placed bets on him staying after he kissed the badge.
Two journos on United in Press said the Cesc situation is exactly like Rooneys. He would have to put in a request to leave.
That is the bit that concerns me. Was that a statement of intent?
We will know very soon if it is, but not so soon if it isn't.
Those quotes were from right at the start of the summer. Our reported bids came in much after that. The latest quotes from the coach only further solidify the opinion that we have bid only after encouragement from Fabregas. Whether barca will sell or not is another matter.
If it's true, they may accepted the bid and want the money, or they doesn't feel Cesc is THAT important.
I don't get how the Daily Mail correlate their headline with their version of Martino's comments. Anybody?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nchester-United-offers.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nchester-United-offers.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
He kissed the fecking badge lads, it's over. There's no labyrinthine plot afoot here. This is dead in the water and you're not going to get a more cast iron statement of intent than kissing the facking badge.
I hear you. But it is his boyhood club, why wouldn't he. He is a Barca supporter.
Gerrard? Rooney?
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