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Fabregas
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Ball's in Cesc's court.
It's hardly a ringing endorsement but I think he'll give it another year as Wenger predicted.
It's hardly a ringing endorsement but I think he'll give it another year as Wenger predicted.
That's changed a bit from what he first said
I like that!
Well yeah, that's a different kettle of fish altogether. "It's up to him"?
Basically Barcelona wants Fabregas to say that he wants to leave the club.
Also judging from the quotes, it seems like Fabregas has some doubts about staying.
Also judging from the quotes, it seems like Fabregas has some doubts about staying.
More on now than it's been for ages IMO.
Time for a thread title change please.
Time for a thread title change please.
Its the start of the Barca's blame the player game. Sounds to me that he has been trying to convince Cesc to stay, which suggests to me that Cesc has told him that he wants to leave.
he'd leave 100% had we acted before Thiago > bayern. Barca wouldn't have cared anywhere near as much. I agree with Al and think he'll give it another year.
Sounds like he's coming here.
Yaay!!
Why? Because Arsene said so? He had no idea what was going on with us. This has all been under the table stuff.
Come on, you pizza throwing prick. Join us!
feck yeah, finally a bit of momentum.
Nothing to do with what Wenger said. I just don't think he'll leave after just 2 seasons at his dream club for us. Hope I'm wrong of course.
The Barca approach of forcing the player to be the one to put an end to the saga is getting very tiresome. We get it, you'd sell for the right price but you want the player to look like the bad guy. It's so transparent though, I don't see why they bother. If you don't want to sell at all, say so. Shut the speculation down once and for all. If you might be willing to sell for a given sum, then don't release these half denials which leave the door open for the player to either shut or look like a traitor.
It's still not going to happen. Fabregas will not force a move away from a club he's perfectly happy staying at.
It's still not going to happen. Fabregas will not force a move away from a club he's perfectly happy staying at.
It's not plausible that we were in for Thiago AND for Ronaldo or for Fabregas AND for Ronaldo. That's not a wordsmithing issue, but an issue of judgment, by the way. Is it hypothetically possible? Sure, we could be in simulataneously for Ronaldo AND for Fabregas AND for Messi, but surely you would agree with me that that is not plausible, right?
"Plausible", according to Merriam-Webster
1
: superficially fair, reasonable, or valuable but often specious <a plausible pretext>
2
: superficially pleasing or persuasive <a swindler… , then a quack, then a smooth, plausible gentleman — R. W. Emerson>
3
: appearing worthy of belief <the argument was both powerful and plausible>
The applicable definitions of the word "plausible" in this context are "reasonable" and "appearing worthy of belief". It is not reasonable to believe that United would be in for either Thiago or Fabregas AND Ronaldo. It is possible, without any question, but it's not plausible. This is not to say there is no chance whatsoever that we won't all sometime next week witness the historic spectacle of a press conference where Cristiano Ronaldo and Cesc Fabregas are holding up a United shirt at Old Trafford. It could happen and we'd all break out our jizz launchers all at once in orgasmic joy. But it's not plausible to believe that United were or are working simultaneously on both acquisitions.
What if they say "We aren't selling him no matter what", then he requests a move and they accede to his wishes and they look like fools? I think you are reading too much into this.
If it has only taken two years to become unhappy speaks volumes. The only thing that concerns me is this kissing the badge, scoring and starting thing, pre-season.
I can only hope he has the bottle to finish what he started.
Interesting.
Right - time for some positivity: who should we sign now that we have Fabregas?
Sounds less than promising if you ask me. You don't label a player as one of your best if you want to sell him.
I still think it's on. I'm calling it 69%.
How is it not plausible? United's midfield could use upgrading. Therefore, they try to upgrade with Thiago and/or Fabregas. Ronaldo is one of the best players in the world. Therefore, they try to acquire him. Both of those things are plausible.
Your grasp of the English language is worrying.
All the evidence suggests that he doesn't want to move. It's not really a risk. They are clearly the ones in charge of what happens with this transfer, so this silly over-defensive tactic is unwarranted, and, as I said, transparent.
You do if you want to retain his value!!
Martino: "I've talked to Cesc, I explained him my idea. Of course we want him to stay, he isn't one of the best in the squad, so it's up to him"
Doesn't do much for the value.
The Barca board would get serious criticism from the fans if they sold Cesc, particularly after losing Thiago. It seems to me they're trying to push Cesc into saying he wants to leave (if that is what he wants) so he'll then draw the brunt of the criticism. So it comes down to whether Cesc is willing to push for the move or not. If he is then I think the deal could be wrapped up pretty quickly as we're obviously already in negotiations.
Good number!
Well we don't know if Fab has been given of any assurances of game time behind the scenes. I'm guessing he wants guarantees of being first choice.
Yeah, we need a new title. Let's get this transfer rolling!
'It's up to Cesc' is the most positive thing we've heard yet. We've been feeding on nettle gruel up to now.
We can only hope that his new girly wants him to come back to the UK. That would help. Perhaps get another place in the North.
my word how seriously you must take yourself. What a massive gimp
There's more evidence that Cesc wants to stay than there is of anything else. I know we're in transferland now where 'I swear on my mother's life that I'm going nowhere' is considered to mean 'offer me £10k a week more and I'm yours', but to normal people this is pretty much as emphatic as it is possible to be:
"I've always said that I'm happy at Barca. Whoever says that I'm leaving doesn't know me and has never spoken with me. Nor with my agent, because he knows that I don't want him to talk with other people about me. I'm very private and I don't even talk about these things with my family. If someone says anything that isn't that I want to play at Barca, it's completely absurd."
From the horse's mouth. No 'only god knows' or any of the ubiquitous 'my agent told me to insert an ambiguous disclaimer here' crap. Outright denial.
So the only way a move was ever going to happen is if Barca wanted to sell. So their refusal to accept responsibility for either shutting down the speculation or letting it run is silly.
Interesting. Very interesting.
Something changed. It had to have done. There is no way we would have started bidding after that statement.
I'm going to be honest. I didn't read this. I've realized that I have entered the transfer forum where people read all sorts of things into innocuous comments. I'm going to back away slowly and made no sudden movements.
Smooth, I'm sure no-one noticed you lose that argument.
I probably did lose the argument. I just realized I'm out of my element here.
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