I'm not embarrassed but I'd like it if we bid for attainable players if we're going to do it so publicly. I still think there's something in the Fabregas bid though, hopefully we're being a little less bullish now for a reason.
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I'm not embarrassed but I'd like it if we bid for attainable players if we're going to do it so publicly. I still think there's something in the Fabregas bid though, hopefully we're being a little less bullish now for a reason.
Of course not. But it's fair to question the logic of such a pursuit when there's a player of similar profile who's eminently more gettable - Modric.
It's a hard time to be a United Muppet. :cry:
In fairness, that's not what he said. He said something along the lines of "I never said we would definitely get him." This whole episode has underscored the importance of keeping quiet until the business is done.
Meh, Madrid always shout from the rooftops whenever they want to sign someone and it's never done them any harm.
The difference is that they normally back it up by signing the player.
What tells you Modric is any more available than Fabregas? What's your reasoning and logic behind that? Modric played more games for Real Madrid last season than Fabregas played for Barca.
You don't know we won't sign Fabregas yet, what are you even on about?
The Osman jokes became unfunny in the first day they were created.
Fair enough making a taster bid as a hopeful punt but we've now wasted loads of time on this. Especially so if we weren't prepared to bid over £40 million. Meanwhile we completely ignore attainable targets like Verratti or Gustavo to add to the likes of Dembele and Vidal as quality midfielders missed for no reason. What the hell is our midfield transfer policy? Going for Fabregas would have made a lot more sense before they got rid of Thiago if we indeed were to have a chance of signing him. Caf members seem convinced we had received "encouragement" yet this is countered by everything Barca have said publicly about the situation. We're two weeks away from the start of the season and the lack of activity is very worrying. Moyes' recent quotes are pretty much the Fergie "happy with the squad" admittance of defeat.
Based on the way Madrid's squad has subsequently shaped up. Illaralmendi and Isco have been signed, and they're after Bale.
You're right. I hope I'm proved totally wrong. Doesn't look great at the moment though.
Fábregas played more minutes though: 2321 compared to Modric's 2181 in the league. Also Madrid signed a young Spanish centre-mid and another young Spaniard who can play in midfield or in the front three while Barca just let go of one of their central midfielders without signing anyone else. And furthermore, Modric is not a youth product of Real Madrid, playing with his childhood friends in the city he grew up in.
Wowwwwww. Moyes is a real idiot. How about next time we make bids for targets we keep it discrete if we don't actually know what the outcome will be. Lets hope he just signs someone then.
Dembele isn't good enough for United, he's massively overhyped. Furthermore, you have no clue whatsoever on what we are doing behind the scenes so you can't possibly know who we are talking to or how many negotiations are going on at once. Just because we have been public about this bid, it doesn't mean we aren't talking to other players/clubs.
The amount of people who act as if they know it all based on what they heard/read in a 10 minute interview on this forum is ridiculous. What's embarrassing about the transfer window is the cretins like you coming out and criticising the club without really knowing anything about what's happening.
He's a damn sight better, and more suitable for United, than Fellaini.
Fair point but Modric is still an established, experienced and quality player. Ancelotti is no mug so I find it unlikely Modric would lose his place in the team so easy. Fabregas played a game and half more than Modric is terms of minutes, there's hardly much in it and it's not cause to say Modric is any more attainable really.
According to Moyes we've been working on things for the past 3weeks. How long does it take to make a bid for all these players.
What makes you think we're going to sign Fellaini for crying out loud? People seriously need to get over the fact Moyes was at Everton and give over linking us to all of Everton's players based upon that. You just make yourselves look idiotic.
Making a bid is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg when it comes to actually signing a player.
Yeah, working on things. How many parties do you have to negotiate with?
1. The other club
2. The player's agent
3. Possibly the player
4. If the player isn't from Europe, work visa checks need to be made.
5. Our club has to decide what we think is a fair price, which means further negotiating with the other club if that cannot be agreed upon quickly.
6. Our lawyers have to go over the prospective contract/bid terms we offer to make sure all the correct clauses are in there, with no loopholes that could cause issue (eg Tevez & Mascherano issue)
It's not as simple as going into a shop and buying a packet of crisps, it's extremely large amounts of money exchanging hands and that takes time.
Edit: And that's just laymen things I can come up with off the top of my head, the actual reality of the process is no doubt far more complex and intricate.
Well with 2 weeks until we play Wigan and almost all of pre season already done it's a shame we haven't got anybody in yet. Be it Fabregas or not surely he's got more than one player in mind?
And then on deadline day clubs do all that in a few hours' time. I always found that amusing and slightly retarded.
Let's say the bid is the "formal" part of a transfer...under the water there is a lot more...mostly "informal". Anyone remember when Thierry Henry joined Juventus from Monaco and Arsenal were pissed up because they had offered the French much more money (18m vs 12m if I m not wrong) but the French kept pushing Henry to Italy?
On deadline day I think a lot of corners are cut. I think most of the checks aren't done and it's just the prospective bid and price that has to be submitted to the FA and everything else can be done after. Just because it's submitted, it doesn't mean it will go through. That happened to Everton I think in the last Summer window, didn't it?
Dembele is miles better than Anderson, Jones or Fletcher in that position. Are they good enough for our midfield? What I "know" is that our midfield transfer policy has been a complete joke for years. We've brought no one in and in the season we need it most we're still waiting two weeks before the season starts. I'd have thought we'd have identified many players to try and sign considering our situation. Instead no, we spend 2 weeks chasing what is looking very likely to be an unattainable target and ignore other options. Whatever you say it hasn't been good so far. A big positive is that we appear to look like keeping hold of Nani.
Oh and further to this, that list is assuming we are the only club interested in a player, which again in reality is unlikely to be the case so the selling club is obviously going to cause a bit of a bidding war to increase the price.
Just going by press links, which is all us mere mortals have.
Ofcourse. Its only in the rule book that things happen how they are meant to be. The bid isnt even the 1st step in the process.
Do you know that though? How can you possibly know that our midfield transfer policy has been a complete joke for years? Again, you're missing the point completely. You don't know that we have spent two weeks chasing an unattainable player and you don't know that it's the only midfield player we have been chasing. Do you really think we only ever do negotiations for one player at a time?
Also Dembele isn't better than Anderson and Fletcher doesn't play that midfield role any more, as seen in his short cameo last season where he played in front of the back four.
Whatever I say, I have no idea how good or bad it has been so far because I am not an important employee of Manchester United so I have no idea about our transfer business, just like you. The difference between us is unlike you, I am not making presumptions as to what we are and are not doing.
There's a lot of work to be done when you want to sign a player, but it's so hard to keep things a secret nowadays. I do fear that while Moyes is talking about us working on things, it's basically us working on things regarding one certain player. I wish that we really are working on other stuff, not just Fabregas, but I'm a little fearful that nothing major will be done until we accept defeat there.
I'm probably in the minority of fans who actually hopes we do sign Fellaini, where as most are saying it in some sort of fear. He's no Fabregas, but he would still improve our current midfield situation greatly. I think if we got both Fellani and one of Cesc/Modric or a player of that sort of class (maybe even Gundogan, Vidal etc), that would be a very good summer.
Jones isnt seen as a CM. So lets leave him out of this. Do you think we'd have gone in and bought ando or fletch from other clubs? No. We already have them so just because player X is better than them, we cant go out and sign them. We need to have a priority list and go from the top. If the 1st target doesnt work out even after giving it time, you go for the 2nd one. How do you know the part in bold isnt true? For all you know, we might have target no 2 & 3 but are giving the fabregas deal as much time as we can due to the sheer quality of the player and rightly so.
If we dont being in a CM before the end of the window, have a moan by all means. But lets not to do already.
The same press links you would call complete bollocks if it were for a player of higher stature? It's a very frustrating double standard I have noticed. United are in for Fabregas, everyone calls bullshit and says Moyes is wasting his time trying to go for a player of his quality or it's completely made up by the press. Then they hear United are in for Fellaini so it must definitely true and the club are terrible and completely unambitious for going for a player like Fellaini. Moyes can't do right for doing wrong, it's incredibly dull to read and it only gets perpetuated by the same people across the boards like a cancer.
I think Fellaini would be complimentary to our midfield in a defensive midfielder capacity if he cuts out the dirty play like headbutts and the like. Only as a squad player, mind. Carrick needs cover.
Our midfield policy has indisputably been a joke for a decade. We've only signed two players in that time, one being a perma-crock, despite it being common knowledge that it's an area of weakness. We've shunted players around and asked them to fill in - O'Shea,Jones, Rooney, Giggs - and it's been a constant case of make do.
Now there's nothing wrong with not signing players, especially if there's a conveyor belt of youth talent coming through. But we've only had Cleverley and Fletcher (struck down with illness).
The midfield is a fecking joke.
In certain circumstances it suits the clubs, agent, and the player to make the bid public, especially more high profile players. Creates an auction and raises profile of parties concerned.
How is he an "idiot"? If Barcelona don't want to sell their player then there's nothing Moyes can do. Publicly commenting on the bids won't change that.
If he remained silent on any and all incoming transfer news everyone would be moaning thinking United weren't working towards bringing new faces in.
Moyes has signed multiple players for Everton at the same time/in the same window, which would surely take the same or similar amount of time as it would take at United. What on Earth makes you think we have all our eggs in one basket? Moyes was asked a question about a specific transfer/bid that the press know about and he answered the question, nothing more and nothing less. Any further speculation beyond that is just superfluous.
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