Fabio da Silva | 2013/14 Performances

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That Fabio is sacrificed ahead of Büttner seems ridiculous to most as he clearly is a couple of levels above. The same logic doesn't apply for Smalling and Jones as they are quality players, but they are played out of position. How many other top teams play centre backs as fullbacks with height as the main argument? I've never heard that Dani Alvez or Alba have been substituted for Barca due to aerial abilities. Additionally, Rafael, and I would assume Fabio without certainty, is a very good header of the ball with a serious jump. When Fabio is fit, he should play ahead of Büttner and Jones/Smalling for the fullback positions. Before him, there are the obvious candidates of Evra and Rafael.

Why is the left foot so important when Büttner seems lost before stepping onto the turf? How many crosses, successful may I add, has he completed thus far? He seems to be able to run into decent positions, then stops and does some fancy moves, is tackled and shakes his head and runs back.
 
Brophs said:
I know we all talk about him as a LB, but he's played a lot of games at RB for us, can't get a game ahead of one of the worst players I've seen in our first team, so maybe we don't even view him as a LB any more?
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Weird though because he played there in preseason and looked good. I remember a few decent crosses with his left foot too.
 
Cutch said:
I personally don't rate him that highly as a left back, despite playing most of his football there i don't think he looks all that natural. People on here talk about his crossing being good but i have seen little evidence of that also. I like him much better at right back but even then i think his performances get a bit overrated. Would still prefer to see him than Smalling/Jones in that position but i can see why in some games we'd go for the more solid and experienced option.
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Fabio looking unnatural at left back still looks a better left back than buttner has ever shown though
 
I am really sorry for Fabio, he's supposedly a better player than Rafael and we all know what Rafael can do. It's a shame both of our twins always manages to get injured.

If Fabio could stay injury free and provide Evra with some real competition we would have less problems at left back.

I for sure like if Baines would come but I'd like Moyes to trust our Fabio more.
 
If Rafael is injured now, Fabio should get a run, he's just as talented. He should also be giving Evra a rest every now and again.
 
Buttner will never play in an important game again for this club so it's good to see that Fabio is now the understudy left back but Moyes still seems keen to get a left back in January to replace Evra
 
dileno said:
I am really sorry for Fabio, he's supposedly a better player than Rafael and we all know what Rafael can do. It's a shame both of our twins always manages to get injured.

If Fabio could stay injury free and provide Evra with some real competition we would have less problems at left back.

I for sure like if Baines would come but I'd like Moyes to trust our Fabio more.
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Supposedly a better player than Rafael? Is this going back to when they were 16 year olds?
 
It's hard to believe that Fabio started a Champions a League final a few years back.
 
I dunno if he was injured but I thought it was odd that he hasn't featured since CP where he had a good game. Probably down to Moyes wanting a left footer at left back and so opting for Buttner but I think he's got it in him to be a better player, wouldn't be ideal with him there with no natural left footed winger but it wouldn't be the worst thing.
 
Thinking of how brilliant Fellaini has looked for us thus far, perhaps Moyes should realize that bringing top players from an average club will not always turn them into top players at a top club. Imo, Baines may just turn out the same. I genuinly think that Fabio should be given more playing time. That said, I think Evra has been terrific this season, and it still won't be easy to get game time ahead of him.
 
Hope he gets game as a LB and can prove himself there. Would be great if he could establish himself in that position and push Evra by the end of the season
 
Wouldn't be surprised to see him loaned out again. He's not really getting a chance here, and he's not gonna progress like his brother without game time. I think the fact he's right footed is holding him back. Hard to imagine he started a champions league final for us.
 
dileno said:
And today we have reports of Fabio leaving us in January. Hope that doesn't happen.
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To be fair, I hope he leaves if he isn't given a chance here. He isn't getting any younger!
 
There must be something we don't understand, because he's twice the player Buttner is, yet the latter is the one given opportunities (though admittedly, even those are few and far between).
 
Count Orduck said:
There must be something we don't understand, because he's twice the player Buttner is, yet the latter is the one given opportunities (though admittedly, even those are few and far between).
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I'm assuming its as simple as the foot he uses. Tbh, I'm not too much of a fan of inverted full backs either, so can see why Buttner gets the odd game when Evra is rested. Its not like Buttner is playing weekly anyway, he only gets the odd appearance. I'd still probably prefer Fabio at LB when Evra doesnt play mind, and definitely at RB when Rafael doesnt play.
 
Fabio was speaking to ESPN in Brazil and said "I don't know, man. I think the time has come and maybe in the next window or even next season, I think I might leave. There are good possibilities."
"I'm looking for other clubs. There's nothing certain, we'll leave it for later".
"I want to be happy, man. I want to play, I want to be happy, I want to be close to my family. I may go back to Brazil, or maybe not, I'm checking with my manager to see what is the best for me."
"The affection I have for Fluminense is very big, for sure. I played there for seven years, and certainly if I have to go back to Fluminense I'm going with great pride because I have a special affection for them."
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http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...lub-and-could-leave-manche?xg_source=activity
 
that's just fecking great

Maybe in the beginning we did the right thing with them, but over the last 2-3 years they should have been fully unleashed

hope he (and Rafa) stay, hope people in control realise how dreadfully ignorant it would be to let him leave
 
Hardly a surprise and would be a massive, massive shame.

You can't blame him though when he's not getting in at RB ahead of Smalling or Jones and not even getting in at LB ahead of Buttner.
 
If he didn't have a twin brother who was extremely good, would people be this convinced by him? I like him and all but he he's very injury prone and way behind other players of his age in terms of experience. I don't know if he'll necessarily follow Rafael's career trajectory.
 
Brophs said:
If he didn't have a twin brother who was extremely good, would people be this convinced by him? I like him and all but he he's very injury prone and way behind other players of his age in terms of experience. I don't know if he'll necessarily follow Rafael's career trajectory.
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We've seen him be great before though, he was immense for us at right back in the 10/11 run-in, I think he's just as talented as Rafael but the latter has (mostly) overcome his issue injuries and hasn't had to deal with a 50+ game a season player in his preferred position.
 
Shame he's not getting games and a chance to prove himself...still, suppose it's better in the long run so Moyes can sign Leighton fecking Baines for 28m in January
 
Carl said:
Hardly a surprise and would be a massive, massive shame.

You can't blame him though when he's not getting in at RB ahead of Smalling or Jones and not even getting in at LB ahead of Buttner.
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Agree. It's fecking bonkers that Buttner is ahead of him.....and simply wrong. Smalling and Jones are generally poor aswell but United have a habit of defaulting to central defenders when looking to cover the full-back positions.
 
Cina said:
We've seen him be great before though, he was immense for us at right back in the 10/11 run-in, I think he's just as talented as Rafael but the latter has (mostly) overcome his issue injuries and hasn't had to deal with a 50+ game a season player in his preferred position.
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He had a decent run of games for a relatively short period, but since then what?

I'm not criticising him, btw, I'm just not sure whether it's fair to expect him to get to the level we want. Two successive managers have barely given him a look in at LB, his favoured position. Even allowing for Evra being difficult to shift - though I think most agree that he's had his issues too - he's made absolutely no impression in that position at all. As I asked a few weeks back: is he even considered a left back any more?
 
I just don't understand why he hasn't been given a chance and why Buttner gets games ahead of him. I find it hard to believe he isn't a good trainer from his attitude on the pitch and enthusiasm/commitment. Even if he isn't as good as Rafael, he definitely can be a very useful part of our squad here and should be providing cover for Rafael and Evra. I'll be really disappointed if we let him go.
 
He started a Champions League final for us. He's clearly got the talent. It's baffling that Buttner/Smalling are getting games ahead of him in the full-back positions.
 
It must be disheartening for him to see players played out of position ahead of him much like it was for Pogba to see Rafael and Park chosen ahead of him.

We've all seen what Fabio can do. We know what he's capable of. We'll regret losing him for sure and you can bet your life that it will be for peanuts too.
 
Carl said:
We've all seen what Fabio can do. We know what he's capable of. We'll regret losing him for sure and you can bet your life that it will be for peanuts too.
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If he is to leave, we won't get a fee for him.
 
Brophs said:
He had a decent run of games for a relatively short period, but since then what?

I'm not criticising him, btw, I'm just not sure whether it's fair to expect him to get to the level we want. Two successive managers have barely given him a look in at LB, his favoured position. Even allowing for Evra being difficult to shift - though I think most agree that he's had his issues too - he's made absolutely no impression in that position at all. As I asked a few weeks back: is he even considered a left back any more?
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I can remember him getting a few run outs at LB in the CL group stages the year Basil ended up knocking us out. He looked completely lost and it's around the time when I came to the conclusion that he wasn't cut out for that position.
 
Brophs said:
He had a decent run of games for a relatively short period, but since then what?

I'm not criticising him, btw, I'm just not sure whether it's fair to expect him to get to the level we want. Two successive managers have barely given him a look in at LB, his favoured position. Even allowing for Evra being difficult to shift - though I think most agree that he's had his issues too - he's made absolutely no impression in that position at all. As I asked a few weeks back: is he even considered a left back any more?
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I can't remember him ever having a long run of games for us at left back. For me, he should be the default cover for Rafael at right back and I'd much prefer him at left back to Buttner. I think he's got versatility that's valuable - I remember us playing Arsenal in the cup with him and Rafael on the wings and Arsenal didn't know what hit them.

We've also had managers who've not given an extremely gifted midfielder a chance who's now tearing it up in the Serie A. Adnan was a shoe-in. I mean, with Young playing so bad this season and with Giggs at 40 you'd have to really not have any faith in youth to not give the lad a break. I also worry that Zaha is not being trusted. If he's just supposed to watch from the stands he'd have been better of on loan.
 
elmo said:
It's a fecking joke how he's not getting games when Rafael is still unfit and Evra is being given games off to rest.
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It's ridiculous!

The argument that he's not left footed certainly cannot be used when Rafael is out, can it? How can you explain playing Büttner ahead of Fabio on the left if crossing ability and offensive contributions is what you seek when on the other hand you play Smalling/Jones on the right instead of Fabio. The paradox is baffling.

I understand him completely if he wants out, and I would never hold a grudge against him. Seems like a top lad with great talent, but what use is it when he doesn't get to play games.

When I've seen him play on the left, I always thought he played very well.
 
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